1. Welcome to TechPowerUp Forums, Guest! Please check out our forum guidelines for info related to our community.

Do you agree with AMD's new GPU naming scheme?

Discussion in 'TPU Frontpage Polls' started by W1zzard, Oct 22, 2010.

?

Do you agree with AMD's new GPU naming scheme?

Poll closed Dec 20, 2010.
  1. Products & pricing justify it

    1,423 vote(s)
    21.4%
  2. It's confusing

    2,842 vote(s)
    42.7%
  3. It actually makes more sense now

    530 vote(s)
    8.0%
  4. NVIDIA does it all the time

    1,212 vote(s)
    18.2%
  5. What new naming?

    642 vote(s)
    9.7%
  1. Thrackan

    Thrackan

    Joined:
    Oct 10, 2008
    Messages:
    3,482 (1.66/day)
    Thanks Received:
    656
    So they couldn't have done that by naming the cards 6750 and 6770? Then the 68xx series would have upped the ante just like the 58xx series did.
  2. newtekie1

    newtekie1 Semi-Retired Folder

    Joined:
    Nov 22, 2005
    Messages:
    19,646 (6.23/day)
    Thanks Received:
    5,830
    It is a little confusing at first. But I don't care, they can name the cards whatever they want as long as they perform and are priced right. Anyone that is "tricked" by this should have done their research before buying.
    Crunching for Team TPU 50 Million points folded for TPU
  3. Thrackan

    Thrackan

    Joined:
    Oct 10, 2008
    Messages:
    3,482 (1.66/day)
    Thanks Received:
    656
    Most buyers are non-techies.
  4. Benetanegia

    Benetanegia New Member

    Joined:
    Sep 11, 2009
    Messages:
    2,683 (1.52/day)
    Thanks Received:
    694
    Location:
    Reaching your left retina.
    Yeah it's definately 5D, but it's our own fault to be confused about that tbh. I don't think AMD ever said that. afaik the idea that Barts would be 4D was originated on Semiaccurate. I never take them seriously, much less believe anything coming from SA, but being about AMD and not Nvidia, I simply believed it after I also heard the story on some other sites, although they were linking to SA. That is a mistake I will never make again. Neveraccurate is not a source period and I've said that so many times, that I cannot help but feel really embarrased for the lack of proper judgement :eek:
  5. newtekie1

    newtekie1 Semi-Retired Folder

    Joined:
    Nov 22, 2005
    Messages:
    19,646 (6.23/day)
    Thanks Received:
    5,830
    Doesn't matter, 5 minutes of googling and you've got all the information you need.
    Crunching for Team TPU 50 Million points folded for TPU
  6. gumpty

    gumpty

    Joined:
    Apr 29, 2008
    Messages:
    744 (0.33/day)
    Thanks Received:
    134
    Location:
    Auckland
    The only thing I don't like about their revised naming scheme is that it should have been done generations ago. Honestly, the only reason anyone's upset about it is because you are used to having #8## as the top GPU in ATI's stable. It's been tradition. And people don't like it when something that's been established for a few years gets changed.
    It's not because the old naming scheme made more sense. It didn't. Why label your top performing GPU with an 8 rather than 9? Doesn't make sense. Now, from this generation onwards, it will make perfect sense. In a few generations, if AMD stick to this naming scheme, everyone will wonder what the fuss was about.

    I also think people are giving 'average Joe' either too much or not enough credit. Any consumer that is aware that #870 is (in the past) ATI's top dog will also not be dumb enough to buy a next-gen #870 without reading reviews first. Any consumer that isn't aware of the ATI's numbering sequence will similarly think that, for example, a 5450 is better than a 4890 because it has a higher number.
  7. thebluebumblebee

    thebluebumblebee

    Joined:
    Jul 2, 2008
    Messages:
    2,859 (1.30/day)
    Thanks Received:
    1,403
    There are going to be people who walk into a store and see 6870 and think that this is the replacement for, and therefore better than, the 5870. Hopefully, the low price will stop them in their tracks. x8xx has been the top end forever and only the x1900's and HD2900's didn't follow that. Although AMD has explained the change, I don't see a reason for it. I'm wondering if it has something to do with their up coming APU's.
    HalfAHertz says thanks.
  8. cadaveca

    cadaveca My name is Dave

    Joined:
    Apr 10, 2006
    Messages:
    13,743 (4.56/day)
    Thanks Received:
    6,767
    Location:
    Edmonton, Alberta
    Huh...did someone say APU in the naming thread?? ;)
  9. erocker

    erocker Super Moderator Staff Member

    Joined:
    Jul 19, 2006
    Messages:
    39,484 (13.55/day)
    Thanks Received:
    13,896
    I agree.

    Techie or not, if a buyer cannot do pedestrian research (especially with the internet at everyone's fingertips) before purchasing a product, too bad for them. That is their failure.
  10. Mr McC

    Mr McC

    Joined:
    Apr 12, 2010
    Messages:
    1,248 (0.81/day)
    Thanks Received:
    323
    I see that as a grey rather than a black and white issue, but I'm certainly not willing to accept all the onus being placed on the consumer. I don't think laziness or stupidity on the client's part entirely excuses a deliberate attempt to deceive.

    Nevertheless, when I read that, it sounds as if I am really upset about this: that is not the case. I'm a little disappointed with ATI/AMD, and I have seen posts on this forum where people are asking why the 6870 shouldn't be slated as a failure because it can't always keep up the 5870. Clearly room for confusion exists and there is certainly intent to deceive.

    But in the end, even if many of us do dislike it, it's not really something to get overly worked up about, merely par for the course.
  11. cadaveca

    cadaveca My name is Dave

    Joined:
    Apr 10, 2006
    Messages:
    13,743 (4.56/day)
    Thanks Received:
    6,767
    Location:
    Edmonton, Alberta
    Yeah, it's very confusing...I've tried expalining it now to a couple of people, and even though I know what's going on, even those not into hardware like us jsut shake thier head.

    The one thing is, pricing really says alot. 5870 is $400 here. 6870 is $250. obviously you aren't gonna get more for almost 50% less cost, so quite a few people will clue in, but it's deceptive enough that many aren't gonna get it.

    I wanted to answer the poll two ways because of that..confusing, but pricing and such justifies it. But the justification doesn't make it any less confusing.
  12. marsey99

    marsey99

    Joined:
    Jul 18, 2007
    Messages:
    1,539 (0.60/day)
    Thanks Received:
    289
    this.

    they are just trying to fool people in to buying a "better" card with it having a bigger number, yes nvidia did it with the 98gtx which wasnt as good as the 88gtx at the higher res, but at least they was better at low res, what res does a 6850 beat the 5850?
  13. Bjorn_Of_Iceland

    Bjorn_Of_Iceland

    Joined:
    Jan 2, 2008
    Messages:
    3,172 (1.33/day)
    Thanks Received:
    375
    Seing from benchies, 6870 feels a bit more like 5830.. So will there be a 5870-like equivalent to Bart? I do agree with most that they shouldve just made it 6830/6850, then leave 6870 for later on..

    EDIT: Oh yeah, cayman should cover that.. well in anyase, no biggie. Just needs a bit of consumer-side adjustment.. 68xx - midrange, 69xx - high end enthusiast. A bit worried for the majority though, but still, they should do their homework before buying in anycase (in which I doubt anyone looking for a gaming GPU wont be doing).


    /confusion
    Last edited: Oct 22, 2010
  14. Flanker

    Joined:
    Apr 8, 2010
    Messages:
    162 (0.10/day)
    Thanks Received:
    16
    Location:
    Auckland, NZ
    considering how these cards tend to be bought buy enthusiasts who read reviews and do other research before buying, i don't see any harm in it.
  15. KainXS

    KainXS

    Joined:
    Sep 25, 2007
    Messages:
    5,600 (2.26/day)
    Thanks Received:
    501
    don't care, as long as its fast for its price and it is fast for its price i don't care, they can call it the 5999999 for all i care as long it performs for me.
  16. animal007uk

    Joined:
    Feb 19, 2009
    Messages:
    1,204 (0.61/day)
    Thanks Received:
    262
    Location:
    Warwick, Warwickshire, England
    I agree with it because i just don't care and don't have my head stuck up my arse. its a bloody new naming scheme so what? shell we all just go jump of a cliff? GET OVER IT.

    lets just go drink beer grrrrrrrr:banghead::toast:
  17. Frick

    Frick Fishfaced Nincompoop

    Joined:
    Feb 27, 2006
    Messages:
    10,378 (3.40/day)
    Thanks Received:
    2,083
    Beer is something I can get behind. :toast:
  18. DonInKansas

    DonInKansas

    Joined:
    Jun 2, 2007
    Messages:
    5,096 (1.96/day)
    Thanks Received:
    1,265
    Location:
    Kansas
    This pretty much ends the thread. Do your homework before spending your loot, just like with any other major purchase.
  19. Zen_

    Zen_

    Joined:
    Apr 18, 2010
    Messages:
    493 (0.32/day)
    Thanks Received:
    112
    The 68xx cards are priced $50-80 more than the 57xx cards were at launch so it makes sense. Had they used the 67xx bracket for Barts, the actual replacement for the 57xx cards would have to be bumped down to 56xx along with everything else being bumped down. Now they have a naming scheme where all enthusiast cards will be 69xx, upper mainstream is 68xx, mainstream will presumably be 67xx and budget cards will fill out the 66xx lower brackets. Initially confusing perhaps but it's a better scheme in the end.
  20. alexsubri

    alexsubri New Member

    Joined:
    Feb 7, 2010
    Messages:
    1,391 (0.86/day)
    Thanks Received:
    199
    I bet you the only ones that are making it such a bit of a problem are nVidia fanboy's or those who are misinformed. I get it. At first I was confused with the name scheme. But now it makes sense.

    57xx = 68xx

    58xx = 69xx

    The way I see it is, since this is a new product, they are bumping up the number due to new generation. You must do your research if not you will be clueless and be ranting about the name change.

    To those who argue that the 6850 and 6870s are faster/same as those of 5850 or 5870 ...wait a couple more weeks till we see the 69xx reviews, then you'd be amazed.
  21. Delta6326

    Delta6326

    Joined:
    May 21, 2008
    Messages:
    3,817 (1.70/day)
    Thanks Received:
    664
    Location:
    Iowa, USA
    It actually makes more sense now. it really does
  22. DannibusX

    DannibusX

    Joined:
    Aug 17, 2009
    Messages:
    2,526 (1.41/day)
    Thanks Received:
    979
    Location:
    United States
    The new naming scheme is easy. As far as non-techie, "deceived" consumers go, most of them tend to buy from a retail store based on price, not specific model. If they want the best, they'll ask for it and Geek Squad will rape them on a 69XX series AMD card, or high end nVidia.
  23. xtremesv

    xtremesv

    Joined:
    Mar 11, 2010
    Messages:
    115 (0.07/day)
    Thanks Received:
    11
    A non-informed buyer will think his 6850 is superior to my 5850 in raw performance... poor thing :laugh:

    IMO, it was more suitable the differentiation between 5800 and 5900, because a complete scale was given to the dual GPU solution which was logical, but now the single and double GPU cards are going to share the same scale.

    I ask myself, what would happen if AMD wants to make the new 4890 of the 6900 series... simply, they can't... well someone could say the 6980 but sounds desperate.
  24. MadClown

    MadClown New Member

    Joined:
    Jun 24, 2008
    Messages:
    1,362 (0.62/day)
    Thanks Received:
    108
    Location:
    NY, the state were you cant defend yourself
    They should go with a naming scheme in which the higher the number, the newer the card, for instance, "The Radeon: Model 3".
    Or just come up with completely messed up names like the "Donkey ball kicker five thousand", or the "Rush Long A With Tactical shields and dolphin spinach dip", either way we are getting cards that are priced in their respective performance categories.
  25. gumpty

    gumpty

    Joined:
    Apr 29, 2008
    Messages:
    744 (0.33/day)
    Thanks Received:
    134
    Location:
    Auckland
    :banghead:

    A non-informed buyer will think a 6450 will be superior to your 5850! It's got a higher number so must be faster, right? A non-informed buyer will only see a higher number and wont have a clue what they mean. As soon as they do even two minutes research to find out what the numbers mean, they will find reviews and it will be laid out plain as day what the story is.

    And that is ignoring that the 5850 and 6850 are in completely different price-points! They'll more likely compare the 5850 on the shelf to the 6870, which are about the same price. And then they would be getting a superior product.

Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guest)

Share This Page