Do you think PC gamers are being shafted lately?

[pr0n Inspector]

Which was a huge mistake going from the Xbox to Xbox 360. They are now committed to using IBM processors in the next Xbox basically, Microsoft killed Windows as a viable gaming platform and they couldn't care less that they did.

Can I run x64 Xfce on x64 Windows? no i cannot. i think you know where i'm going.

 

[Frizz]

What I found weird is... the GPU equivalent of the PS3 and Xbox 360 are at the level of ATI x1950... which is how many generations behind?

I've always wondered, is this the only kind of hardware we need to run the latest games? I've seen some videos on youtube, good amount of people still posting up videos and look almost the same as console performance on some games with the card.

Is this true? Would we be so far in-front if games were made exclusively on the PC? In terms of performance.

 

[Mussels]

What I found weird is... the GPU equivalent of the PS3 and Xbox 360 are at the level of ATI x1950... which is how many generations behind?

I've always wondered, is this the only kind of hardware we need to run the latest games? I've seen some videos on youtube, good amount of people still posting up videos and look almost the same as console performance on some games with the card.

Is this true? Would we be so far in-front if games were made exclusively on the PC? In terms of performance.

in the same way nvidia and ATI do performance tweaks in drivers, these games do their own tweaks in the game engines.

You know, they have tons of shader power and limited ram power, so they use post processing to blur over the low quality textures, letting them focus more power on lara crofts high quality textured ass.


The same would be possible on PC - but then you'd get some people whining about the low quality textures on their $500 cards, and the $100 card owners whining they cant run the game... hence, adjustable game options

 

[HammerON]

I said "Yes" just because I am a follower
No - JK! I don't own a counsel and don't plan to as I like building computers (gaming and crunching). However I have seen a decline in the support of PC games and find that disturbing...

 

[Frizz]

in the same way nvidia and ATI do performance tweaks in drivers, these games do their own tweaks in the game engines.

You know, they have tons of shader power and limited ram power, so they use post processing to blur over the low quality textures, letting them focus more power on lara crofts high quality textured ass.


The same would be possible on PC - but then you'd get some people whining about the low quality textures on their $500 cards, and the $100 card owners whining they cant run the game... hence, adjustable game options

I guess that pretty much answers what we get when we invest reasonable amounts of money into our PC and of course not to mention the performance difference.

someone needs to invent a Playstation Computer Box 360 to provide for the lazy devs and half assed ports

 

[Munki]

This seems the perfect place to make my rant.....those damn dol' Activision fuckaz didn't release Call Of Duty 3 for the PC, i'm wrapping up COD2, now I have to skip to 4.....whose damn idea was that!?!?!


*RAWR*

 

[eidairaman1]

I remember having Need for Speed Underground running at maximum settings for a PC and looking way better than on the Console at the time and that was with 128MB 9700 Pro Desktop and a 9800 256 In the laptop. People came by and said the game looks better on the PC and i said that is because there is way more potential a PC has that a console will never have plus a PC is easily upgraded where a Console you have to buy a totally new one which then new controllers and new software.

 

[pr0n Inspector]

What I found weird is... the GPU equivalent of the PS3 and Xbox 360 are at the level of ATI x1950... which is how many generations behind?

I've always wondered, is this the only kind of hardware we need to run the latest games? I've seen some videos on youtube, good amount of people still posting up videos and look almost the same as console performance on some games with the card.

Is this true? Would we be so far in-front if games were made exclusively on the PC? In terms of performance.

Xbox 360 is over 4 years old, PS3 over 3 years. 3 years is an eternity in the PC hardware market. From a PC gaming POV, it's almost a miracle that they can still run games decently.

Also, consoles all share the the same hardware, so devs can tweak their games to death. and they have tiny embedded OSes that have far fewer abstraction layers or other unnecessary features that bog down the machine. If they make a console today with a PII945 or equivalent, a 4870 and 2GiB of RAM, naturally it would rape a much pricier PC in both holes.

 

[vbx]

I guessing future consoles with have the ability to easily upgrade their graphic engine. All they have to do is design a console in a way that the graphic engine can easily be replaced just by removing some screws or pulling some tab to remove the graphic engine and sliding in the new Graphic engine.

This way, Console manufacturer can make more money by selling the upgrades for $100 or so instead of making an entirely new system from scratch. Maybe even a CPU upgrade as well.

 

[eidairaman1]

I guessing future consoles with have the ability to easily upgrade their graphic engine. All they have to do is design a console in a way that the graphic engine can easily be replaced just by removing some screws or pulling some tab to remove the graphic engine and sliding in the new Graphic engine.

This way, Console manufacturer can make more money by selling the upgrades for $100 or so instead of making an entirely new system from scratch. Maybe even a CPU upgrade as well.

Kind of funny that for 1 consoles have no AA or AF, and 2 MS had several problems with their Consoles overheating and the GPUs failing with RROD, they still exist today.

 

[pr0n Inspector]

Kind of funny that for 1 consoles have no AA or AF, and 2 MS had several problems with their Consoles overheating and the GPUs failing with RROD, they still exist today.

How can you say that with a straight face?

 

[eidairaman1]

Simple its a computer screen im chatting into, and also I find MS very flaky in 2004-2009, Win 7 is actually something worth going to for game development as of DX10-DX11, TBH it's time to move away from DX 9.

 

[pr0n Inspector]

Simple its a computer screen im chatting into, and also I find MS very flaky in 2004-2009, Win 7 is actually something worth going to for game development as of DX10-DX11, TBH it's time to move away from DX 9.

How do you chat into a computer screen? Are you human?

 

[eidairaman1]

Negative I am not human, I am a cyborg.

 

[Mussels]

Kind of funny that for 1 consoles have no AA or AF, and 2 MS had several problems with their Consoles overheating and the GPUs failing with RROD, they still exist today.

Consoles have both AA and AF - they just arent user selectable.

Negative I am not human, I am a cyborg.

Negative. I am a meat popsicle.

 

[B1u3B33ry]

I agree. Game companies have been moving toward the game consoles and leaving the PC/Mac behind.

 

[Mussels]

I agree. Game companies have been moving toward the game consoles and leaving the PC/Mac behind.

for the mac to be left behind, it'd actually have to be part of the race


Valve has done PC gaming a big boost with support macs - in this era of dropping PC's off the map, valve has done the opposite and added another PC platform (intel macs) to their lineup.

We all need to buy valve games and support one of the few game makers that still loves us!

 

[MadClown]

Agreed, go Valve!

 

[ArmoredCavalry]

Agreed, go Valve!

I still like to patronize other digital distributors. Impulse is probably my favorite non-Steam dd at the moment.

I have tried Gamer's Gate (42 bucks for BC2!), and have a few games from Direct 2 Drive as well.

I will say Steam is the nicest, but I'd rather spread my money around so that digital distribution doesn't become (essentially) a monopoly.

 

[Mussels]

i use impulse and steam. Then i add my impulse games as non-steam games, and get the steam overlay in them

 

[D007]

Ahh the wonderful world of the shaft..
Loved how crappy bioshock 2 looked..
Should off had a better mass effect 2 as well, in regards to graphics.
Every single time I play a game that's ported, i can tell.

I use to own a console.
I left that crap for a reason.
Learned how to build and repair my own computers. (mostly from techpowerup) lol..
Went through all the insane amounts of trouble learning how to do all of that.
Just to not have to play on a crappy console anymore.

A pc is, has and always will be a superior machine.
It is worth every single extra step and measure, for a superior gaming experience.

I have more valve games than from anywhere else..lol

Calvin... Meet the console..
You know what yo do..

 

[Msap14]

My 2 cents

I do not currently have a console or frequently play any pc games. used to have a 360 but got bored of it and sold it. PC is getting old and i need a new one but can't necessarily pay for it right now.

People go to where other people are: if their friends play on consoles they will play on consoles.

I grew up playing computer games but everyone in my school has either a 360 or ps3 with little knowledge of what a computer even is. Consoles are much easier for everyone to use, console games are advertised to the public much more than any computer games or computer platforms.

Advertising is HUGE, if you ask a console gamer chances are they don't really know a lot about any comptuer games, they've heard of WoW and the majority of people will rag on comptuer gamers, basing their prejudice on the image South Park portraited with their WoW episode. Alienware has an occasional commercial and so do a few other companies but not enough to really get people looking into comptuer gaming, sure the BC2 commercials have a little coptuer logo on the bottom representing pc gamers but at the end you see what? a microsoft xbox 360 logo flash accross the screen, not a windows symbol.

One thing to think about is the amount of players. WoW has some what? 5 million subscribers (sure a handful are multiboxes but not a big enough factor) this number of subscribers is 500,000 than what cliff B from epic had said gears was standing at. with this many subscribers and all the expansions that game has produced with another in development, blizzard is doing exceptionally well in the pc gamer community.

I think people go to consoles because they are cheaper, easier to use, more exposed to the consoles through advertising, and consoles are more talked about than computers, ecspecially through their friends.

pretty neutral on the subject, computers produce much better graphics and more functionality, with the capability of 3 curved lcd screens and surround sound computers have a much higher potential but this all costs $$$$.

also something to think about is the targeted market. Today kids are playing games such as gears that are rated M (i believe) and these kids are 12 years old. a 12 year old cousin of mine couldn't understand to move the mouse this way and hit this key combination to do this and hit these keys to do that. along with the highschool teenager factor, this is where the real $ is at for the developers. highschoolers can't exactly pay for the games and consoles themselves but they do occasionally with groups of friends all gaming all weekend and talking about it during lunch on monday. They're parents/teen won't want to spend 700$ on a computer gaming system if they can buy a 300$ console that seemingly mroe people use.

(ranted )

devising a 'plan to get developers more interested in producing quality pc games will take a lot of effort. just wanted to list a few things that may influence you and im not sure if any of this has been covered previously.

 

[epicfail]

I do not currently have a console or frequently play any pc games. used to have a 360 but got bored of it and sold it. PC is getting old and i need a new one but can't necessarily pay for it right now.

People go to where other people are: if their friends play on consoles they will play on consoles.

I grew up playing computer games but everyone in my school has either a 360 or ps3 with little knowledge of what a computer even is. Consoles are much easier for everyone to use, console games are advertised to the public much more than any computer games or computer platforms.

Advertising is HUGE, if you ask a console gamer chances are they don't really know a lot about any comptuer games, they've heard of WoW and the majority of people will rag on comptuer gamers, basing their prejudice on the image South Park portraited with their WoW episode. Alienware has an occasional commercial and so do a few other companies but not enough to really get people looking into comptuer gaming, sure the BC2 commercials have a little coptuer logo on the bottom representing pc gamers but at the end you see what? a microsoft xbox 360 logo flash accross the screen, not a windows symbol.

One thing to think about is the amount of players. WoW has some what? 5 million subscribers (sure a handful are multiboxes but not a big enough factor) this number of subscribers is 500,000 than what cliff B from epic had said gears was standing at. with this many subscribers and all the expansions that game has produced with another in development, blizzard is doing exceptionally well in the pc gamer community.

I think people go to consoles because they are cheaper, easier to use, more exposed to the consoles through advertising, and consoles are more talked about than computers, ecspecially through their friends.

pretty neutral on the subject, computers produce much better graphics and more functionality, with the capability of 3 curved lcd screens and surround sound computers have a much higher potential but this all costs $$$$.

also something to think about is the targeted market. Today kids are playing games such as gears that are rated M (i believe) and these kids are 12 years old. a 12 year old cousin of mine couldn't understand to move the mouse this way and hit this key combination to do this and hit these keys to do that. along with the highschool teenager factor, this is where the real $ is at for the developers. highschoolers can't exactly pay for the games and consoles themselves but they do occasionally with groups of friends all gaming all weekend and talking about it during lunch on monday. They're parents/teen won't want to spend 700$ on a computer gaming system if they can buy a 300$ console that seemingly mroe people use.

(ranted )

devising a 'plan to get developers more interested in producing quality pc games will take a lot of effort. just wanted to list a few things that may influence you and im not sure if any of this has been covered previously.

ya its the exact thing at my school everyone plays dam xbox 360, its kind of sad though because i only play it when i hang out with them, and can still kick there asses at it, k other than one guy that plays halo and cod as much as i play my games on the computer so he destroys me for having the home controller advantages.

 

[Msap14]

i personally, for some games at least, love playing games with controllers and that's why they have the computer controllers 8))))

 

[epicfail]

i personally, for some games at least, love playing games with controllers and that's why they have the computer controllers 8))))

ahh ya thats just another thing to add that i hate about consoles :shadedshu
dont like the feel of it, after playing 14 years of mouse and keyboard theres no going to the darkside for me.
i can still easily use them i just dont like them.
gaming is gaming afterall, if your any good at gaming you will do good any controller you have.