DVI vs HDMI?

[FordGT90Concept]

I should also add that DVI isn't going anywhere so long as there remains demand for VGA. Some cards might be DVI + DisplayPort but I doubt mainstream cards will not be completely rid of DVI for at least another decade. One important caveat: DVI is replaced by, say, DVI2 which has VGA and doubles the bandwidth of the digital links effectively defeating the purpose of DisplayPort.

 

[Wile E]

I said earlier that the reason they did that is most likely for design sake. Apple hates holes in their cases and DVI is a huge hole compared to DisplayPort. They don't care which is better as long as the hole is smaller. That could be the same motivation for Firewire too (they didn't like big serial and parrallel ports).

Apple = form before function.

No, because they just used a breakout box on a "mini DVI" connection prior to display port. The hole was about the same size anyway. Apple has always adopted technology based on superior performance or equal performance but easier to use, despite lacking compatibility. Thus the reason they tried to focus on firewire instead of usb, or when they developed ADC which was basically DVI, but it also carried power and USB. And other such examples. That proves to be both good and bad for them tho. ADC never really caught on and finally died off, and USB carried a much higher adoption rate than firewire as well, and while firewire isn't dead, it's not as cheap or as prominent as USB 2.0, tho it is better in performance.

They're very hit or miss with this stuff. I like firewire over USB 2.0 or older any day, but proprietary connections like ADC are a royal PITA.

 

[Mussels]

No, because they just used a breakout box on a "mini DVI" connection prior to display port. The hole was about the same size anyway. Apple has always adopted technology based on superior performance or equal performance but easier to use, despite lacking compatibility. Thus the reason they tried to focus on firewire instead of usb, or when they developed ADC which was basically DVI, but it also carried power and USB. And other such examples. That proves to be both good and bad for them tho. ADC never really caught on and finally died off, and USB carried a much higher adoption rate than firewire as well, and while firewire isn't dead, it's not as cheap or as prominent as USB 2.0, tho it is better in performance.

They're very hit or miss with this stuff. I like firewire over USB 2.0 or older any day, but proprietary connections like ADC are a royal PITA.

indeed, but i love small connectors.

anyone who says HDMI cables have no advantage over DVI fails to think what USB would be like if it was the size of a parallel port. smaller is better, and more convenient (and i the ability to plug it in and remove it with no need for screws)

 

[wiak]

DVI and HDMI are both based on same signal technology
heck thats why you got HDMI to DVI cables and adapters

 

[Wile E]

indeed, but i love small connectors.

anyone who says HDMI cables have no advantage over DVI fails to think what USB would be like if it was the size of a parallel port. smaller is better, and more convenient (and i the ability to plug it in and remove it with no need for screws)

Actually, the lack of screws is a minus in my setup. It's a long run, and it always pulls loose from my card. I kinda wish my monitor had a DVI input instead of just HDMI. (not only that, but my monitor doesn't go to sleep in HDMI. It just goes to a blue screen. It sleep via vga tho.)

 

[Mussels]

Actually, the lack of screws is a minus in my setup. It's a long run, and it always pulls loose from my card. I kinda wish my monitor had a DVI input instead of just HDMI. (not only that, but my monitor doesn't go to sleep in HDMI. It just goes to a blue screen. It sleep via vga tho.)

sleep missing from HDMI is a flaw of HDMIs specs. it annoys me as well.

you must have a weird cable setup for it to have enough weight to fall out - my 5M cable never comes loose at all, and i just toss it around benches and such without a car

 

[FordGT90Concept]

Actually, the lack of screws is a minus in my setup. It's a long run, and it always pulls loose from my card. I kinda wish my monitor had a DVI input instead of just HDMI. (not only that, but my monitor doesn't go to sleep in HDMI. It just goes to a blue screen. It sleep via vga tho.)

I agree. If you don't screw it in, all those pins hold as tight, if not tighter than HDMI. Screwing in means it's gonna take a lot of force to unseat it. On my KVM, for instance, I only screw it in if the tower is meant to be a permanent resident.

 

[Wile E]

sleep missing from HDMI is a flaw of HDMIs specs. it annoys me as well.

you must have a weird cable setup for it to have enough weight to fall out - my 5M cable never comes loose at all, and i just toss it around benches and such without a car

The way the cable has to be run, puts it in the line of fire of my feet, and it also has to come out of the card at a pretty sharp angle.

 

[FordGT90Concept]

No, because they just used a breakout box on a "mini DVI" connection prior to display port. The hole was about the same size anyway. ...

I know Apple got a lot of complaints about "mini DVI" not matching their projectors/monitors which leads to 3rd party cables which aren't common at all and in turn leads to additional, unexpected costs. The thing is, DisplayPort not only doesn't fix that user problem, it creates even more problems because DisplayPort has zero support for VGA making that conversion cable even more expensive. I leave it to stupid engineering which Apple has an abundance of.


USB came after Firewire but, that's a discussion for another thread.

 

[Mussels]

The way the cable has to be run, puts it in the line of fire of my feet, and it also has to come out of the card at a pretty sharp angle.

thats unfortunate.

but the way i see it - i'd rather the cable come out, than it yank my PC off the desk or damage my card.

 

[Wile E]

thats unfortunate.

but the way i see it - i'd rather the cable come out, than it yank my PC off the desk or damage my card.

Nah, It's never enough pressure to move the rig or monitor. Just enough to pull the cable far enough to lose signal. It doesn't even come all the way out.

 

[Scrizz]

where were we?

we need more stuff for display port

 

[MohawkAngel]

yes i would like to get my display port screen man asus produced display port motherboards but no screen have display port connectors...wtf!!! also with the DVI port i can get kick ass resolution 2560X1600 but before i could get a tv with that high resolution my motherboard will be almost dead. that rsolution is with the onbard 256 megs hd radeon based on RV-610.

Can someone tell me what came first and last andwhats the difference between
DVI-I Single link
DVI-I Dual link
DVI-D Single link
DVI-D Dual link (the one i own for my LG Flatron W2242TQ)
DVI-A

 

[Mussels]

yes i would like to get my display port screen man asus produced display port motherboards but no screen have display port connectors...wtf!!! also with the DVI port i can get kick ass resolution 2560X1600 but before i could get a tv with that high resolution my motherboard will be almost dead. that rsolution is with the onbard 256 megs hd radeon based on RV-610.

Can someone tell me what came first and last andwhats the difference between
DVI-I Single link
DVI-I Dual link
DVI-D Single link
DVI-D Dual link (the one i own for my LG Flatron W2242TQ)
DVI-A

they were all explained a page or two back.

 

[FordGT90Concept]

Can someone tell me what came first and last andwhats the difference between
DVI-I Single link
DVI-I Dual link
DVI-D Single link
DVI-D Dual link (the one i own for my LG Flatron W2242TQ)
DVI-A

...and they all came out at the same time (1999).


This post has a description of each connector and single- vs dual-link:
http://forums.techpowerup.com/showpost.php?p=1543552&postcount=28

This post has a diagram of the pin-outs:
http://forums.techpowerup.com/showpost.php?p=1543569&postcount=29

 

[wolf]

I prefer HDMI, smaller connector, and it just has this nice 'fit' if you get me (love slotting a HDMI cable in )

also no annoying pins to possibly bend and no screws to tighten.

win-win given it carries audio and the same excellent quality.

 

[MohawkAngel]

That where I took the pins models. Thx ill look

This post has a diagram of the pin-outs:
http://forums.techpowerup.com/showpost.php?p=1543569&postcount=29[/QUOTE]

 

[TheLaughingMan]

I should also add that DVI isn't going anywhere so long as there remains demand for VGA. Some cards might be DVI + DisplayPort but I doubt mainstream cards will not be completely rid of DVI for at least another decade. One important caveat: DVI is replaced by, say, DVI2 which has VGA and doubles the bandwidth of the digital links effectively defeating the purpose of DisplayPort.

Yeah, I don't expect it to be over night or any time soon, but it just seems to where they way DP to lead to. Right now, not even the displays being used require anything faster than current DVI offers. So unless there is a drastic change in LCD/Plasma tech that gives ridiculous high resolution and high refresh rate, at a low cost, DVI will be here for quite a while.

 

[Mussels]

DVI will be here for quite a while.

DVI will last for a long time, since you can use adaptors to make it to both VGA and HDMI.

The only way DVI will die out, is when there is more displayport monitors out there, than there is VGA ones.

 

[TheLaughingMan]

DVI will last for a long time, since you can use adaptors to make it to both VGA and HDMI.

The only way DVI will die out, is when there is more displayport monitors out there, than there is VGA ones.

Which will only happen when display technology goes beyond the scoop of VGA capabilities.....a long time from now. Good thing we already got the replacements ready for the next 2 to 3 levels of changes.

 

[FordGT90Concept]

Yeah, I don't expect it to be over night or any time soon, but it just seems to where they way DP to lead to. Right now, not even the displays being used require anything faster than current DVI offers. So unless there is a drastic change in LCD/Plasma tech that gives ridiculous high resolution and high refresh rate, at a low cost, DVI will be here for quite a while.

High resolutions are a huge drag on computers too. Just look at the Microsoft lifting the 720p requirement on Xbox. Developers want more detail and more detail means lower resolution. LCD/Plasma isn't really the problem--its the horsepower that drives it which is holding it back.

I think graphics really sprang forward from about 1993 to 2003 because of the low resolutions yet high quality of CRT displays. There was really no need to focus on high resolutions so they exponentially increased the number of triangles. With LCDs, resolution and quality are directly tied so developers are forced to choose one or the other resulting in a relative stagnation in graphic quality over the past five or so years.

It really isn't very hard to make 60" LCD screens but it's hard to get it a resolution and framerate that won't make it look like crap.

 

[Scrizz]

I prefer HDMI, smaller connector, and it just has this nice 'fit' if you get me (love slotting a HDMI cable in )

also no annoying pins to possibly bend and no screws to tighten.

win-win given it carries audio and the same excellent quality.

HDMI is a connector I dislike(can't fasten it)

 

[MohawkAngel]

I used epoxy to stick my hdmi cable. works well just kidding

 

[Scrizz]

I used epoxy to stick my hdmi cable. works well

you got me lol
I as like wtf

 

[MohawkAngel]

Owned !