Good lord, you're pushing some really heavy stupid buttons there anubis44.
1) DO NOT DOUBLE POST. Tired of saying this, because reading the base rules should have been done prior to post one. After having been told multiple times, you continue to do this crap. Either learn and follow the rules, or find somewhere else to talk.
2) When you say it is my opinion, you divorce yourself from requiring facts. Looking at the title of this thread, which is "exposing nVidia's latest ploy" in case you've forgotten, you start by spitting in the face of facts. You link together random bits of data, cobble together conspiracy based conclusions, and don't listen to anyone presenting other points of view. This is not supporting your point, it is yelling louder than the opposition in order to make your point seem more important.
3) Why did you assume Dx12 would be on Windows 7. MS already released 11.2, and it was an 8.1 exclusive. In exactly what world do you believe MS would suddenly go back on this idea, and make Dx12 run on Windows 7? Stating that it wasn't confirmed is like saying you don't know dog poop tastes bad until you eat some. While technically true, it's a stupid point. If that somehow is unclear, I'd like for you to confirm that conjecture about some dog poo in my front lawn.
4) Why did Nvidea release a new GPU right around the holiday season? I can't believe I have to answer such a stupid question. Nvidea released new cards so they had product to sell for the holidays. If they released a reasonably priced card, which does show some improvement, they've got something that will print money. The development for this particular product has almost all been underwritten by the 7xx series cards, so little overhead and a new product will line Nvidea's coffers nicely.
5) Why isn't AMD releasing a new GPU now? That one is also simple. AMD has the console market locked down. They've developed for the current production node, and are staunchly waiting for TSMC to be able to roll out production on the smaller node. Rather than getting into a pricing war with Nvidea, AMD has decided to focus their resources toward other things. It's at this point I'd like to refer to your own "evidence" about the Zen redesign. That kind of development is likely draining AMD's resources, and is why they aren't releasing a new card for this holiday season. Nothing even mildly conspiracy driven there.
Assuming you don't agree with any of the above logic, you're going to have to tell me why any of this is terrible. AMD was immensely lucky that they had compute heavy cards when the coin crunching markets came about, so the R9xx series sold well. It wasn't worth a conspiracy theory that AMD started the crunching market? Nvidea and AMD compete in so much as one is always a step behind the other. The highest end cards trade blows, but in my experience the big mover cards are positioned such that AMD wins on price : performance, while Nvidea wins on pure performance. This is why I said AMD has been behind Nvidea for the last decade. I'm sure you can throw synthetic benches out, which shows the highest end AMD and Nvidea cards trade blows. At the same time, Nvidea sells an order of magnitude more 970s than 980s. AMD isn't a bad company because of their choices, Nvidea isn't a good one for its choices, and there is no reasonable basis for the claims that Nvidea is in the middle of some elaborate hoax to damage AMD.
For a moment, let's look at Nvidea. They don't like competition, but realistically they need it. AMD cards on the market prevent accusations of price fixing, monopolies, and actually allow you to sell your cards. Compare X to Y, and Y is better; you will therefore buy Y. If you were to look at Y one generation ago versus now, you'd see a 100% increase in cost, with a 7% increase in performance. Nobody in their right mind would buy that. In contrast, frame it as Y this generation beats X this generation by 5%, at only 104% the cost and it appears to be a steal. The thrifty consumer buys X, because the price decrease means more to them. While AMD will take a bath on sales, they will move units because of a price drop. Both AMD and Nvidea are benefiting from Nvidea releasing a new card, yet you aren't calling that a conspiracy.
Boiling this whole thing down; GIGO. You take garbage facts, extrapolate insane theories, and produce garbage conspiracy theories. Both of these companies are using their competition to move cards, by demonstrating their features in different ways. You look at facts, and Nvidea wins. You look at relative value comparisons, and AMD wins. Both companies selectively demonstrate truths, to get their units out the door. If this practice is unacceptable I suggest you find a communist utopia somewhere to live. Capitalism, for better and worse, is as much about your lies as it is your truths. If this system is unacceptable to the point of you conjecturing boogie-men you'll wind up in a nut house once you see the crap people do to control raw resources. If you want a real conspiracy, look-up aluminum billet sales.
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Darn emoticons. I'm use to a colon between two compared values, but forgot that is automatically made into that stupid emoticon. Hopefully this has rectified it.
Please, what stupid buttons am I pushing?
1) I have no intention of violating any rules. What exactly do you mean by double post? I'm only replying once to each person, and I only see one reply per person on my screen.
2) I've never said my theory was beyond dispute. As for the provocative thread title, well, I went for short and sweet summary of my position. I happen to think nVidia is a more nefarious company than AMD. They've shown every indication that if there's a buck to be made off of their customers, they'll make it. PhysX, less ram than AMD offers on comparable cards, G-sync. They've shown a definite pattern of wanting to pilfer our pocketbooks at every opportunity, whereas AMD has not done these sorts of things, and I consider these previous actions 'ploys' on nVidia's part. Ploys to make extra money out of us. Do you think this is untrue? If so, pray share some examples. If there's something specifically offensive about the title, please point that out. As for not listening, of course I'm listening to others. I've acknowledged every respectful reply with some kind of reasonable acknowledgement. I've shown a willingness to change my mind in the face of any persuasive evidence. What more do I need to do?
3) I never assumed there would be a DX12 for Windows 7. But I also never automatically assumed there wouldn't be, either. Now that it's confirmed (in my mind), it's another piece of information, which, taken with other bits of information, formed a preliminary picture for me. I'm postulating a theory. If there's anything specifically offensive about my theory, please tell me what it is.
4) Yes, it's obvious that both card companies want to release cards in time to make loads of money for Christmas. Problem is, nVidia hasn't done this in four generations. That makes the GTX970/980 release an outlier for me. By itself, it's not a huge deal. Taken in conjunction with the near-simultaneous revelation of no DX12 for Win 7, and the $330 price tag on the GTX970, a card that can defeat a $450-$500 AMD card, THEN I start getting a little bit curious. That's still permitted these days, isn't it?
5) I never asked why AMD hadn't released a card in September. I'm well aware that they intend to release their nextgen GPU on 20nm early next year, so I was never expecting such a release.
When I buy products, I don't merely look at features of the products, I also look at the past actions of the company sometimes, whenever I can. I like to be an educated consumer. If a company has a history of illegal or simply immoral behavior, I'll usually say no to their products. Intel, for example, has also pulled quite a lot of anti-competitive and even straight up illegal actions, so I'm avoiding their products, too. If you're willing to give money to a company that tried to muscle out its only competitor with bribes and threats, that's also your prerogative, but I choose not to do so, because I refuse to reward cheating and extortion. Please don't tell me I'm 'stupid' for standing up for my principles. As a former soldier, I don't like hearing people tell me that criminal or immoral activity 'just happens', so we should just sit back and watch and do nothing about it. Otherwise, what was the point of serving to protect my society from a threat or to protect innocent people from harm?
As for your analysis of communism and capitalism, well, that's something we could certainly discuss, as I have a master's in PoliSci, but this is hardly the forum for it. Suffice to say, however, that I think we would both heartily agree about the 'crap people do' in most industries. I've seen it, too. The difference may be that I rail against it, whereas you seem to take the position that shit happens, and there's nothing we can do about it. I think that's probably the major point of departure between both of us.
One more thing about your theory that capitalism is as much about 'lies' as 'truths'. Once upon a time, people were restrained quite a lot more from lying by other factors than they seem to be now. Their religious or moral upbringing restrained them from simply bullshitting people. Now, there seems to be no self-restraint at all about lying. The lesson to be learned from this for me is not that we should learn to live with more lying, its that we need to figure out how to return to a society of greater moral restraint and trust. And no, I'm not religious myself, but I don't need a god to know that certain things are wrong, simply because I wouldn't want somebody to do them to me, either. This is a huge discussion in itself.
I happen to be speculating about one particular 'crappy' thing I perceive nVidia to be doing. If I'm wrong, fine. If you don't agree that it's crappy, then fine, that's your prerogative. But I thought some others might want to hear about it, so please don't call me 'stupid' for postulating a theory unless you can actually disprove it, and even then, simply pointing out how I'm wrong will be more than sufficient. Name-calling is not required.
) so conclusion the curent Hawaii gen still keep in check the 9XX in the perf segment (ok not in consumption) after that cooler and quieter ... my 290 is 31° idle and 47° max under load at 1130/1400 with a 650w PSU i could be in a worse position.