Fillrate on GPU

[RadeonProVega]

Just curious , when overclocking a gpu, everything increases, but what about if the pixel and texture fillrate does not go up, what is the cause of this?
Is it lock, should i use another tool, is there a way to override this or is the card lock on certain features?

I have a spare 6200 card, and the pixel and texture fillrate is 0.7, just was wondering how come the fillrate never increases when overclocking?

Btw, the card is a BFG OC 6200, i can only use rivaturner to OC the card too.

 

[The_Real_DeaL31]

i think its time for u to upgrade

 

[RadeonProVega]

I am not using the 6200, i just have a simple question, so if you have no plans to answer the question, don't bother coming into the thread making a stupid reply which btw i do not want to hear. People tell me to upgrade all the time, on about every fu**in forum i post on , and you know, your sh** just goes out the other ear.

So can someone with common sense please answer my question, thanks

 

[pbmaster]

Well that's not very nice at all. Maybe you should try not being so harsh.

 

[The_Real_DeaL31]

i have a old bfg 6200 oc agp card thats been in a box for a few years now collect dust, also i got a x600 pci-e card u want it

 

[The_Real_DeaL31]

my bad sorry couldnt help myself












bump

 

[RadeonProVega]

Well i am getting kinda sick of people telling me what to do with A. My money, B, my rig, C, what i should or should not buy. I am nice person, and i don't bother nobody and neither do i tell anyone what they should buy or shouldn't buy, but people keep telling me to upgrade.

This thread has nothing to do with upgrading lol, that is what bothers me. You ask a simple question about something, and people will come in and say something that has nothing to do with the thread. Its like people don't know how to read , or they are just being ignorant.

 

[The_Real_DeaL31]

sorry i apologize, it wasent called for bro

 

[Kursah]

I would say the card's performance is so weak that the meager OC's on it (which clock speed differences between stock and OC, nor a screenshot of proof were provided) that it's fillrate performance is negligable and won't be noticed even by a number cruncher such as GPU-z.

I have noticed a difference on a variety of cards from the x850 series to the GTX200 series when overclocking and the fill-rate has increased, it does take a healthy ammount of clock increase depending on the graphics card in question. The x850 would need a higher OC for it's abilities even if less MHz than the GTX would need for a similar increase in fillrate performance to be detected. It comes down to the ability of the hardware...I'd say that card just isn't capable of producing an extra 100k (or 1 million?) (+ .1, iirc) in fillrate at the OC's you're trying to accomplish.

Maybe some more info from your side could help you and us answer the quesionts you seek u2konline, but please don't be rude...memberships don't last long that way. TPU is a great place of help and having a pretty relaxed attitude most of the time...the crap in your second post doesn't need to be brought here.

 

[The_Real_DeaL31]

when u oc the core, the fill rate goes up. oc the memory bandwidth goes up

 

[RadeonProVega]

I would say the card's performance is so weak that the meager OC's on it (which clock speed differences between stock and OC, nor a screenshot of proof were provided) that it's fillrate performance is negligable and won't be noticed even by a number cruncher such as GPU-z.

I have noticed a difference on a variety of cards from the x850 series to the GTX200 series when overclocking and the fill-rate has increased, it does take a healthy ammount of clock increase depending on the graphics card in question. The x850 would need a higher OC for it's abilities even if less MHz than the GTX would need for a similar increase in fillrate performance to be detected. It comes down to the ability of the hardware...I'd say that card just isn't capable of producing an extra 100k (or 1 million?) (+ .1, iirc) in fillrate at the OC's you're trying to accomplish.

Maybe some more info from your side could help you and us answer the quesionts you seek u2konline, but please don't be rude...memberships don't last long that way. TPU is a great place of help and having a pretty relaxed attitude most of the time...the crap in your second post doesn't need to be brought here.

Sorry everyone, but i have this same issue with people telling me i need to upgrade or buy a new computer, it happens on like every computer forum i post on

Anyways, here is the GPU-Z shot:

Keep in mind, this is the OC BFG version, the bandwidth at stock is at 4.3, however when installing one of the new drivers it jumps up to 8.5. When OC the card, i can OC the memory from 266 to 400 and the core from 350 to 425, but the fillrate never increases.

Its not a big deal, because i am buying a new card soon to replace the 6200 and my 2400HD card, i was just wondering.

EDIT: I will test it out tomorrow, more and see can i get the fillrate to go up, it not, i won't worry.

 

[The_Real_DeaL31]

is this going to be with your existing motherboard, its agp x4 if iam correct

 

[RadeonProVega]

is this going to be with your existing motherboard, its agp x4 if iam correct

No i already own the 6200, i had the card since mid last year. I am using a Visiontek2400HDPCI until i buy a 8600GT,or um 8500GT( which ever one i am able to get first ) soon. I only have 4 PCI slots in my computer, the BFG 6200 IS PCI version.
http://www.bfgtech.com/bfgr62256ocp.aspx

 

[Kursah]

That's not enough of an OC to increase fillrate by very much. .7GPixles is like 700k pixles iirc...you might have .74 or .75 if GPU-z were to go down to that decimal. Some vmodding and better cooling and you might accomplish .8 or .9 on it tho!



As-far-as the upgrading part...that's what PC forums are about man, some people change their stuff damn near every day...I spent a long time building my rigs until I was content, and I'm still not quite content. I guess it depends on what you do with your PC, if what you have works for you, then enjoy it. That is some dated hardware you have, but goes to show that stuff can still run to this day w/o issue...though modern games would give it a major migrane, but it's all good man.

The first thing that people do on forums like this will be to recommend upgrades, usually people asking your kind of questions are looking for more performance, and in your case that would be the best answer. Sure it wasn't what you wanted to hear, or you are sick of hearing it...but if you've gotten that as an intial suggestion on every tech forum you've went to there's good reason for it...there are 100's of people that ask questions like that, and soon the thread turns into links for pc parts/upgrades, sales, etc...sometimes the OP (original post(er)) ends up building a PC out of the deal.

We're not telling you how to spend your money, or that you have to, we really can't, and in the end it's just text you're reading on a screen, no need to get your panties in a bunch over letters you're reading over a screen is it? If so, time to power down, walk away and go outside for a bit of fresh air man...it works for me every time!

I hope your PC treats you well, and I hope my answer(s) helped you understand...as that's how I've come to understand what you're seeing too...older cards can't increase in clocks like modern cards can...so an increase in the areas you notice are easier to attain on newer hardware than older hardware...same difference with CPu speeds, memory speeds, front side bus speeds.

 

[The_Real_DeaL31]

well put Kursah your a wise man

 

[RadeonProVega]

That's not enough of an OC to increase fillrate by very much. .7GPixles is like 700k pixles iirc...you might have .74 or .75 if GPU-z were to go down to that decimal. Some vmodding and better cooling and you might accomplish .8 or .9 on it tho!

I will try tomorrow, using the 177 drivers it stays around 42c all the time. I can OC with ease with my Visiontek2400HD tho.

Stock

OC

Only took about 2 seconds to do it lol. The 2400HD is not a very good gaming card tho, and in some way its weaker then the 6200 BFG.

As-far-as the upgrading part...that's what PC forums are about man, some people change their stuff damn near every day...I spent a long time building my rigs until I was content, and I'm still not quite content. I guess it depends on what you do with your PC, if what you have works for you, then enjoy it. That is some dated hardware you have, but goes to show that stuff can still run to this day w/o issue...though modern games would give it a major migrane, but it's all good man.

The first thing that people do on forums like this will be to recommend upgrades, usually people asking your kind of questions are looking for more performance, and in your case that would be the best answer. Sure it wasn't what you wanted to hear, or you are sick of hearing it...but if you've gotten that as an intial suggestion on every tech forum you've went to there's good reason for it...there are 100's of people that ask questions like that, and soon the thread turns into links for pc parts/upgrades, sales, etc...sometimes the OP (original post(er)) ends up building a PC out of the deal.

We're not telling you how to spend your money, or that you have to, we really can't, and in the end it's just text you're reading on a screen, no need to get your panties in a bunch over letters you're reading over a screen is it? If so, time to power down, walk away and go outside for a bit of fresh air man...it works for me every time!

I hope your PC treats you well, and I hope my answer(s) helped you understand...as that's how I've come to understand what you're seeing too...older cards can't increase in clocks like modern cards can...so an increase in the areas you notice are easier to attain on newer hardware than older hardware...same difference with CPu speeds, memory speeds, front side bus speeds.

well everything is cool now. Its just pretty much every computer forum i go too, everyone tells me to upgrade, i will do so will ready. I had this computer since 2000, plays some of the newer games with ease, such as Timeshift ( 1024x768 everything to low to best 20/40fps ), Stranglehold(1280x1024 - 15-26fps ) & Jericho( 1024x768 , shader and texture at high, 12/20fps ) and some others. This computer i am not aiming to play the newest games on, but i do test them out.

In other news, i am buying my secondary computer sometime next month. A Gateway Dual Core 2, with a Diamond 4670 Card.
http://www.diamondmm.com/4670PE31G.php

Only problem, that card is nowhere to be seen at the moment. I sent them a email, and i hope they can get back to me by monday or sometime next week.

Peace

 

[RadeonProVega]

Alright i have the BFG 6200 install, blows the 2400HD out the water in performance, seriously. Anyways, its impossible to unlock extra fillrate, i tried oc. I also found this, maybe someone can help.

Over at GPUReview, in the Video Card Comparison section.

There is a option , one of the tabs pipelines , if you click it , it says" enable disable pipelines "
If i don't click it, when overclocking, the fillrate doesn't move. However if i do click it, when oc the fillrate does go up.

So can i do this in Riva, by changing some settings or something?

Note: If you don't know, the gpureview tabs are just for checking, i am not actually oc the card lol.

 

[KainXS]

I'm not sure since its a pci version but alot of the 6200 chips if not all of them are actually low binned 6600GT(NV43/NV44) chips so you might be able to unlock those pipelines.

in essence giving you a PCI 6600GT which is not supposed to exist so it would be dangerous.

 

[largon]

Anyways, here is the GPU-Z shot:

Keep in mind, this is the OC BFG version, the bandwidth at stock is at 4.3, however when installing one of the new drivers it jumps up to 8.5. When OC the card, i can OC the memory from 266 to 400 and the core from 350 to 425, but the fillrate never increases.

NV44 @ 425MHz = 850MPixel/s
So, when OC'ed to 425MHz - and if GPU-Z detects the OC'ed frequency - the prog should show "Pixel Fillrate 0.9GPixel/s". If it doesn't; it's a bug in GPU-Z. Also, you're running an outdated version of GPU-Z.

 

[RadeonProVega]

The pipelines are already unlock, its a Overclocked BFG PCI card.

I check in rivatuner, and those pipelines are already unlocked, so maybe it isn't wise to try to get more fillrates. Btw, i am using the newest GPU-z version. I will oc the card, the memory to 350 tho, but trying to unlock more fillrate, i won't worry. I am buying a 8500GT or 8600GT PCI card soon, and the 8600GT from what i see has the same specs like PCI-E version those.

peace

 

[RadeonProVega]

See, look at this:

I didn't touch anything, its already unlock, unless i am missing something.


EDIT:

woooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

I have a question, how far can i OC the card, is there a test program where i can see or should i just keep pushing it up until my computer crashes lol

 

[largon]

That GPU has 6 disabled ROPs ("pixel units" in Rivatuner) and 4 disabled pixel shaders. All vertex shaders are online. The disabled pipes can't be unlocked.

Btw, i am using the newest GPU-z version.

Neither 0.24 nor 0.27 are the latest version...

 

[RadeonProVega]

I have a question, i notice when overclocking this card, say if i set everything back to default or say if i don't, maybe about 5 mins later, when just doing nothing, i get black screen flashes, and after the flash, i get lines across my screen. No yellow or red lines, just lines.

I haven't oc since, because it seems like overclocking a already oc card is not a wise thing to do, whats the deal with the flashes.

 

[largon]

If the card gives display errors even at stock it may be defective or overheating.

 

[RadeonProVega]

Just a update: About the fillrate issue, well thats fix now and it has 1.4 for texture and pixel , and i have the core OC at 400, while the memory stock is at 532. Also the card is working much better in win9x. I think XP was causing alot of issues with my computer and the card, thats why the specs on it was inaccurate and i couldn't overclocked it well and keep it stable. But it overclocks just fine using coolbits.