First B650 Motherboard Pricing Detailed by B&H

[AusWolf]

AM4 was pretty good in terms of support but was very uncertain for a good part of the way there, I wouldn't buy AM5 on promises, let alone the vague statements they gave so far

Your other option is Intel's LGA-1700 which will definitely be ditched with 14th gen. It's a miracle that it even supports 13th gen. Which one is better?

Edit: I never recommend anyone to buy a platform based on potential future upgrades. A new CPU generation brings maybe 15-20% more performance to the table? It's not something you feel in real life. If you like the platform for what it offers right now, buy it. If you don't, don't.

Edit: typo

 

[Pumper]

If they continue under-cutting AMD, AMD will surrender to lowering prices.

They already did. The 3950X had MSRP of $749 and 5950X launched at $799 MSRP, while 7950X is 'only' $699, because AMD knew from the get go that 13900K will mach their performance at a lower price.

 

[Taraquin]

Very dissapointing! 199usd for the simplest B650 is a huge price hike from the sub 70usd B450 or sub 90usd for B550. Intels B660 lineup offers boards from 120usd. Seems 13400F+B660 will be a much better valueoption than 7600X+B650 and it will probably iffer similar performance.

5800X3D+B450 offers generally same gamingperformance as 7700X+B650 for less money. AMD outperformed by themselves...

 

[AlwaysHope]

Considering that AUD $370 is the cheapest Z790 board over here in Australia atm but that's for mATX with DDR4, MSI have Z790 ATX boards with DDR5 for only about $10 more! . Comparing this to the USD prices for B650 from the site mention in this article makes me ever more curious what B760 will bring to the table, at least with what online retailers here will do anyway. I patiently await...

 

[Bwaze]

It really looks like we'll have to have a real crysis and PC market collapse before this improves. Because frankly this isn't sustainable.

I'm an enthusiast since early 1990, I've thrown tons of money into my PC builds, but I've never felt like now the prices just went up 50 - 100% for almost no improvement.

Good luck to all, I predict much more "EVGA" rage quits from the markets in the coming months as products start to pile in stores and warehouses.

 

[Jimmy_]

man these prices arent looking friendly at all

 

[Why_Me]

Considering that AUD $370 is the cheapest Z790 board over here in Australia atm but that's for mATX with DDR4, MSI have Z790 ATX boards with DDR5 for only about $10 more! . Comparing this to the USD prices for B650 from the site mention in this article makes me ever more curious what B760 will bring to the table, at least with what online retailers here will do anyway. I patiently await...

This board should sell well for those not wanting to wait for the B670 boards and locked cpu's. Decent board imo for an i7 / i5 build.

https://www.pccasegear.com/products/59573/msi-pro-z790-a-wi-fi-ddr5-motherboard
MSI Pro Z790-A Wi-Fi DDR5 $479.00 AUD

PRO Z790-A WIFI

PRO series motherboards tuned for better performance by 16 Duet Rail Power System, DDR5 memory, Lightning Gen5 PCIe, Pre-installed IO, Extended Heatsink, M.2 Shield Frozr, Wi-Fi 6E, 2.5G LAN, USB 3.2 Gen 2x2

www.msi.com

 

[Keullo-e]

No way I'm paying this much for a mainstream chipset board. I'll just wait for the selection to grow.

 

[MarsM4N]

Guys, stop crying. It's a business and not a charity. We're in a global recession, so they try to compensate lower sales with higher pricing (esp. for early adopters with deep pockets).

They're probably also sitting on a load of B550 boards which needs to get sold first. Kinda like the Nvidia situation. If I where running a business I would do the same.
If you don't want to throw cash out of the window, just wait. Prices will go down. That's how capitalism works. Be patient.

Also I wouldn't cheap out on the boards, otherwise you'll end up with turds like the Intel B660 boards with bad VRM cooling & thermal throttling. Who wants that?

 

[Bwaze]

Guys, stop crying. It's a business and not a charity. We're in a global recession, so they try to compensate lower sales with higher pricing (esp. for early adopters with deep pockets).

I din't see any "crying". Just people stating what are their plans in the current situation. And what they think will happen to the market in this kind of big change.

 

[ModEl4]

Better audio codec also.

https://www.msi.com/Motherboard/MAG-B660M-MORTAR
Realtek ALC1200

B650 has Realtek ALC4080.
Essentially very similar in spec with ALC1200.
The B650M motherboard has only Pci-express 4.0 for graphics and M.2 and even has similar number of fast USB 3.2 Gen2 Type-C and Type-A so i really don't know where the $60 difference is from, it's the same Manufacturer, same series, extremely similar specs, same store (and B&H is an official MSI authorized distributor iinm).
It seems to me only $10 difference or so is justified between them.
AMD must be reminded (by exercising your consumer right to buy or not) not to have such high margins imo!

 

[Keullo-e]

B650 has Realtek ALC4080.
Essentially very similar in spec with ALC1200.
The B650M motherboard has only Pci-express 4.0 for graphics and M.2 and even has similar number of fast USB 3.2 Gen2 Type-C and Type-A so i really don't know where the $60 difference is from, it's the same Manufacturer, same series, extremely similar specs, same store (and B&H is an official MSI authorized distributor iinm).
It seems to me only $10 difference or so is justified between them.
AMD must be reminded (by exercising your consumer right to buy or not) not to have such high margins imo!

"only PCIe 4.0"

I'm pretty sure that it's more than enough for years for 99.99% of users.

 

[ModEl4]

"only PCIe 4.0"

I'm pretty sure that it's more than enough for years for 99.99% of users.

It sure is!
"Only" refers to cost and how MSI/AMD can potentially attempt to justify the extra $60.

 

[Keullo-e]

It sure is!
"Only" refers to cost and how MSI/AMD can potentially attempt to justify the extra $60.

Ah. Missed that point, my bad.

 

[trsttte]

Can you expand on that? I'm not the most informed hence i'm all ears for past/present/forthcoming developments.

I might have missed something but I haven't seen any statement other than "it will also be a long lived platform/socket" which doesn't mean much.

A solid statement would be the next X generations of CPU will be supported in the same socked and chipset (socket longevity doesn't mean shit if they try do ditch old board like they tried to when zen3 launched)

 

[Why_Me]

B650 has Realtek ALC4080.
Essentially very similar in spec with ALC1200.
The B650M motherboard has only Pci-express 4.0 for graphics and M.2 and even has similar number of fast USB 3.2 Gen2 Type-C and Type-A so i really don't know where the $60 difference is from, it's the same Manufacturer, same series, extremely similar specs, same store (and B&H is an official MSI authorized distributor iinm).
It seems to me only $10 difference or so is justified between them.
AMD must be reminded (by exercising your consumer right to buy or not) not to have such high margins imo!

The B650 such as the B660 / B760 is limited by the amount of PCIe lanes RE bandwidth.

 

[MxPhenom 216]

So B650 Non-E aren't even going to be under $200? None of these models are B650E boards.

 

[AlwaysHope]

The B650 such as the B660 / B760 is limited by the amount of PCIe lanes RE bandwidth.

This is true of course, but how well do those motherboards OC compared to the higher end chipset boards? If all the end user is doing on the rig is gaming, then a couple of high speed storage devices is all they really need anyway - 1 for OS, the other for data (games).

 

[Why_Me]

This is true of course, but how well do those motherboards OC compared to the higher end chipset boards? If all the end user is doing on the rig is gaming, then a couple of high speed storage devices is all they really need anyway - 1 for OS, the other for data (games).

The B660 boards gimp the second M.2 SSD seeing how they only have 12 PCIe lanes so in most cases gamers that own those boards will run a single 2TB M.2 or a M.2 and a 2.5" SATA SSD.

 

[AlwaysHope]

The B660 boards gimp the second M.2 SSD seeing how they only have 12 PCIe lanes so in most cases gamers that own those boards will run a single 2TB M.2 or a M.2 and a 2.5" SATA SSD.

Once one has experienced M.2 NVME @ PCIe 4 speeds for the OS, you'll never want to go back to anything slower. But it's a pity game loading times still bottleneck at PCIe 3 speeds so far.

 

[TheinsanegamerN]

Your other option is Intel's LGA-1700 which will definitely be ditched with 14th gen. It's a miracle that it even supports 13th gen. Which one is better?

Edit: I never recommend anyone to buy a platform based on potential future upgrades. A new CPU generation brings maybe 15-20% more performance to the table? It's not something you feel in real life. If you like the platform for what it offers right now, buy it. If you don't, don't.

Edit: typo

Neither, buy the one that fits your needs and budget, then keep it. CPU upgrading is a pointless waste of money when CPUs age like wine, it took 10 YEARS before sandy bridge couldnt maintain 60 FPS 1% lows. The 8700k has enough gas in the tank for another 3-4 years, outside of niche cases like sins of a solar empire or starcraft II that saw noticeable late game gains from ryzen CPUs. Bet you good money a 5800x3d or a 7000 series (or an intel 13 series) will be more then enough for gaming for another decade.

Once one has experienced M.2 NVME @ PCIe 4 speeds for the OS, you'll never want to go back to anything slower. But it's a pity game loading times still bottleneck at PCIe 3 speeds so far.

I see literally no difference, boot time is maybe 1 second faster on my rocket 4 plus then it is on my Sata III MX 550. Software is just not written to take advantage of such speeds yet.

 

[Taraquin]

Guys, stop crying. It's a business and not a charity. We're in a global recession, so they try to compensate lower sales with higher pricing (esp. for early adopters with deep pockets).

They're probably also sitting on a load of B550 boards which needs to get sold first. Kinda like the Nvidia situation. If I where running a business I would do the same.
If you don't want to throw cash out of the window, just wait. Prices will go down. That's how capitalism works. Be patient.

Also I wouldn't cheap out on the boards, otherwise you'll end up with turds like the Intel B660 boards with bad VRM cooling & thermal throttling. Who wants that?

A good point, but for budget gamers, even the worst performing boards handle 12100F and 12400F with ease. 12600K and upwards is a different story, but Z690 is generally prefered if you run a unlocked cpu.

 

[Eskimonster]

If you get your money's worth, then sure. If it is all margin and no quality/durability and features, then no thanks.

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