FS/FT suggestions.

[mrw1986]

The more I think about it the more I almost disagree...We were all noobs once with low posts and stuff. I worked really hard through trading when I was at a low post count to build my reputation. I now have a VERY solid trading reputation thanks to this forum and HardForum. Its just sad that now we have to put extremely stringent requirements because of a scammer...It's almost like Terrorism and the Patriot Act....

 

[WC Annihilus]

Something that is done over at Overclock3D is that in order to gain access to the FS/T forums you have to e-mail the admins your full contact info (address, phone, etc). Perhaps for newer members who want to trade require something similar, at least giving a phone number?

 

[JC316]

The more I think about it the more I almost disagree...We were all noobs once with low posts and stuff. I worked really hard through trading when I was at a low post count to build my reputation. I now have a VERY solid trading reputation thanks to this forum and HardForum. Its just sad that now we have to put extremely stringent requirements because of a scammer...It's almost like Terrorism and the Patriot Act....

You have a point and I have seen some RIDICULOUS requirement for selling before, but these are not hard to meet. I have racked up nearly 100 posts in two days before and a 3 month waiting period shows that you aren't going to sign up just to sell/scam, then leave.

The feedback thing may be a bit extreme, as there may be that one person that has never dealt anywhere else. That could be up to the buyer if he wants to risk that.

The good/bad trader list also isn't that hard. I think of at least five people that have dealt with me here that would give me a good referral, it's not that hard at all.

 

[Darknova]

You have a point and I have seen some RIDICULOUS requirement for selling before, but these are not hard to meet. I have racked up nearly 100 posts in two days before and a 3 month waiting period shows that you aren't going to sign up just to sell/scam, then leave.

The feedback thing may be a bit extreme, as there may be that one person that has never dealt anywhere else. That could be up to the buyer if he wants to risk that.

The good/bad trader list also isn't that hard. I think of at least five people that have dealt with me here that would give me a good referral, it's not that hard at all.

It should be hard though, not impossible, but hard, we're talking about (in some cases) lots of money, a newbie should not be allowed to come along and sell of £thousands worth without some kind of trust being built up first.

 

[freaksavior]

I agree, i got ripped off by forgotten realems .

 

[JC316]

It should be hard though, not impossible, but hard, we're talking about (in some cases) lots of money, a newbie should not be allowed to come along and sell of £thousands worth without some kind of trust being built up first.

Right, I went to one place that required you to have 50 thanked posts in order to sell. That is insane, I was there for 5 months, racked up 500 posts and only got 5 thanks, it was impossible. 3 months and 100 posts is pretty tough, especailly since so much changes in 3 months.

 

[Ahhzz]

the three months and 100 posts is not TOO hard... All it takes is a genuine interest in the forums...

Look. We're NEVER going to keep someone who WANTS to scam people from taking someone here for a few, or a lot, of bucks. They'll spend the time to get to know people, pretend to fit in, sell a couple of items legit to make a name, and then go for a kill. Then, they'll disappear, reappear a couple of years later with a different ip and screen name, and pull it again. So, use common sense, and caution, and try not to punish everyone for what someone might or might not do.

I think limiting the quantity of items sold is a GREAT idea. Put up as many as you want, but only, let's say, 3 items are allowed to be 'actively' in the selling process. Make it a check in-check out system. I put up 5 items. The first three interest posts are my 'check outs'. Until one of those people checks back in with a 'received', I'm not allowed to begin process on any of the others. This will be a positive-feedback circuit: Until I get clearance from a satisfied customer, I can't sell too many items. Any complaints have to be handled, in the open, with scanned receipts, shipping labels, etc. Any refusal to cooperate, will result in a 'presumed guilty' fashion. First offense is a temp suspension of trade rights, second offense is a ban.

Everyone here is perfectly capable of keeping up with that sort of stuff: just look at the crap we all keep track of when overclocking. Anyone who says they 'can't', imo, is making excuses.

The ebay system would be nice, but as noted...a TON of work. I do like the idea of a 'blacklist/whitelist' post. Somewhere to simply check out someone's trading history real quick. A lto of work for someone to maintain (I can't), but if JC's volunteered, I say let him have it.


my 2 (noob) pence...

 

[erocker]

It is they buyer's responsibility to get all necessary information to deem the seller worthy of the transaction done by the buyers discression. Techpowerup is not responsible for the transactions of the buyer and seller therefore isn't required to take names and addresses of everyone. I agree there needs to be an extended time period before any transactions can be made over the forum. Look at something like Craigslist for example which basically impliments no rules. No one who's in the know would just throw thier money at some awesome deal from someone 1000 miles away! Most of us have seen scams on Craigslist or Ebay, and we know to be weary of such deals. The same attitude needs to be brought here and to any other web related "for sale" forum.

 

[Ahhzz]

And noone's trying to hold Techpowerup responsible for ANYthing (This forum is provided as a community service. We are not responsible for any transactions or losses that result from postings in this forum.). What the people here are trying to do, is the same basic thing they've done in other threads, which is gather together information regarding sales conducted, and ask if there's any reason the existing ruleset (As a reminder, if you want to sell something, post your heatware, pictures of the image (with a handwritten note in the picture showing your TPU name), have a price you're willing to sell for (even if it's negotiable), and make sure to follow through with the purchase. If there are any serious complaints about a sale, please report them to the forum leaders, et al), can be modified a little to extend the time of someone who wants to sell items, and potentially a couple of other changes. All these sales are maintained by the users here, anyway. Noone expects Wizz to 'make things right' when a sale goes bad. But, since this is NOT a mandated, policed, sale site, I think what people are asking is a little more up front restriction, to protect people (from themselves!!) who might get a little glassy-eyed at the site of a chip overclocked %250 at half retail value

 

[panchoman]

even though i know tpu doesn't take any responsibility etc, it would be nice if admins would cooperate and atleast provide ip addresses and details for getting the guys.. i mean if they can just supply the ip addresses used by a scammer, the authorities can trace them..

 

[erocker]

even though i know tpu doesn't take any responsibility etc, it would be nice if admins would cooperate and atleast provide ip addresses and details for getting the guys.. i mean if they can just supply the ip addresses used by a scammer, the authorities can trace them..

Who says we don't?

 

[JC316]

OK, alot of points have been made in this thread and the two that seem to have the most weight and the most practical are the 3 month / 100 post minimum and the Good/Bad/neutral trader thread, so long as I run it. That seem to be correct? If so, I can make a mock up of what it would look like if I were to run the GBN thread.

 

[JC316]

Ok, here is what it would look like if this were to be approved.

 

[SimFreak47]

Why can't people just be honest when they buy sell or trade? :shadedshu

 

[WC Annihilus]

I think there should be at least some sort of way new members can sell. 3 months/100 posts may not seem too bad, but just think how much hardware depreciates in value in 3 months. Sure, they could always hit up ebay or elsewhere, but what if they like TPU? What if this is the place they want to sell on? Ahhzz's check-in/out system sounds like a pretty good idea to me, though for relatively new people perhaps only one or two items at a time

 

[JC316]

I think there should be at least some sort of way new members can sell. 3 months/100 posts may not seem too bad, but just think how much hardware depreciates in value in 3 months. Sure, they could always hit up ebay or elsewhere, but what if they like TPU? What if this is the place they want to sell on?

Even still, TPU has the most lenient system of any of the popular tech forums. If they like TPU that much, then they should be posting more

Honestly, 3 months isn't that bad, it would certainly stop the people that sign up just to sell. If 3 months is too much, it could even be 30 days and be better than 2 weeks.

 

[alexp999]

Well after reading whats gone on since my last post, I think the only thing I agree with is the 3month and 100 post rule, to be able to start threads in the B/S/T/G forum. Other than that, it should be between the buyer and seller to work out what they want to do.
I use a combo of heatware and ebay to prove my feedback. And with the lost in the post thing, thankfully I have never had it happen to me, but I would always arange a refund upto the maximum insurance they have chosen along with proof of posting.
I see where people are coming from in terms of trying to riddle out scammers, but like others have said, if they want to do it, they will, thats why I always insist on paypal, until I trust people.
And, to JC316, really no offence, but the table you put up, just looks like a feedback system like heatware to me
IMO, people need to stick to W1zz's rules and everyone has a heatware account, and maybe he could add, please leave feedback after your transaction. I always request feedback from my buyers.

Anyway, rant over, just my 2p. But like I say, I definetly think there should be a minimum post count and wait period.

 

[Tatty_Two]

I think there should be at least some sort of way new members can sell. 3 months/100 posts may not seem too bad, but just think how much hardware depreciates in value in 3 months. Sure, they could always hit up ebay or elsewhere, but what if they like TPU? What if this is the place they want to sell on? Ahhzz's check-in/out system sounds like a pretty good idea to me, though for relatively new people perhaps only one or two items at a time

I see where you are coming from but I dont agree, there are plenty of other methods of selling items apart from this forum that a "new member" can use, I have sold quite a lot here but I still use fleabay, the last thing I sold was a harddrive that I had not used for 6 months, I sent it what we over here call "recorded delivery".....which is signed for, the mailman didnt get the other forum member to sign for it he just dropped it through the letterbox, now the member got in touch with me and said that whilst it was working, it seemed damaged and was showing errors, that in fairness could have been due to the 4 feet drop out of the letterbox to the floor but I refunded him through paypal within an hour........I did that because in here, love each other or hate each other, many of us have a "bond" that i would suggest is rare in most other forums, its that bond that invokes fair play........I would like to think that all regular and established members here would at least consider doing the same, I am not sure that without some form of restriction that could be said for all others.

The thing is, with commercial sites, there is a method of complaint and recovery, granted it often does not work but there is a system, this is a facility we are allowed to have that does not have such guarentees and therefore the safeguards should be biased towards existing members.

Having said all that, you are right, we were all new once!

 

[JC316]

Well after reading whats gone on since my last post, I think the only thing I agree with is the 3month and 100 post rule, to be able to start threads in the B/S/T/G forum. Other than that, it should be between the buyer and seller to work out what they want to do.
I use a combo of heatware and ebay to prove my feedback. And with the lost in the post thing, thankfully I have never had it happen to me, but I would always arange a refund upto the maximum insurance they have chosen along with proof of posting.
I see where people are coming from in terms of trying to riddle out scammers, but like others have said, if they want to do it, they will, thats why I always insist on paypal, until I trust people.
And, to JC316, really no offence, but the table you put up, just looks like a feedback system like heatware to me
IMO, people need to stick to W1zz's rules and everyone has a heatware account, and maybe he could add, please leave feedback after your transaction. I always request feedback from my buyers.

Anyway, rant over, just my 2p. But like I say, I definetly think there should be a minimum post count and wait period.

That is kind of what it's meant to be, but alot of people don't have heatware, Tatty included. If I didn't know him, and if he was selling something and had no heatware, I would be suspicious, 6000 posts of not lol. If I had a good/bad trader thread, which alot of other places do, then he would be in there. Just another form of safety.