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Since that you have the budget, I strongly recommend getting a 2500K and P67/Z68. They perform much better than Phenom II in some games, and generally better by a statistically significant gap (if not visible).
 
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Since that you have the budget, I strongly recommend getting a 2500K and P67/Z68. They perform much better than Phenom II in some games, and generally better by a statistically significant gap (if not visible).

I agree with this.
 
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Everybody will recommend a 2500K. It is simply THE CPU for gaming at a very good price for the performance
 
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I wouldn't get the 912, I got it, and atfirst it was awesome but the lack of a window and no black insides really bothers you... I would get a 922
 
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IF you want to stick with AMD, I would go for a 1090T hexa at the same price as the 980 and get a decent cooler and just clock it up. Very snappy (and subjectively, I do prefer it to my sandy bridge PCs for "feel" and will be more than enough CPU power unless you are gaming really low resolution or running multi GPUs).

Alternatively save about $55 dollars and get a 955BE off of newegg and just clock it up to 4GHz. IT will be a C3 stepping so should run very well.

EDIT as for GPU are you intending to go 6 monitor eyefinity?
 

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As for the gpu I like what i see with the gtx 560ti. I am not interested in the 6 monitor thing. I just wanted graphics power.
 
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I wouldn't get the 912, I got it, and atfirst it was awesome but the lack of a window and no black insides really bothers you... I would get a 922

912 Plus comes with a black interior, and you can get the 912 Advanced side panel with the window, but I have no idea where to buy the panel anyway.
 
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$169 is a lot of money for a Phenom II X4, considering the Phenom II X6 1075T is only $159.99! ($10 less for 2 extra cores!) - also consider the The FX-6100 hexacore for $189.99.

If you must get a quad core, get the Bulldozer AMD FX-4100 Zambezi for $129.


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FX 6100 is pretty much crap

only the 8120 and 8150 are worth anything

FX 6100 loses in everything to a 980BE FX 4100 is even worse.... sadly not alot to look forward to in the AMD line up 6 core or 8 core bulldozer is about it,

for simplicity sake and better power consumption numbers

2500K
Asrock Z68
4gb-8gb DDR3 1333 / 1600 dosent matter memory bandwidth is ridiculous even with slower 1333mhz
560Ti or 6950 2gb

really is no point period in an AMD based system for gaming

http://www.guru3d.com/article/amd-fx-8150--8120-6100-and-4100-performance-review/6

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SAPPHIRE Toxic 100312TXSR Radeon HD 6950 2GB 256-b...
 
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^If the OP wants to stick with AMD to whatever reason the Phenom II X6 1075T is a solid CPU for $159. He would have to spend $50-70 more to get a i5 2500/k

Granted the hexacore bulldozers are not fantastic but the Phenom II X6s are beefy for the price.
 

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Personally I wouldn't get the Cooler Master 912 because it doesn't have USB3.0 for its front ports, I would get something like Cooler Master Storm Enforcer. If you are fine with no USB 3.0, then by all means get that case.
 

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^If the OP wants to stick with AMD to whatever reason the Phenom II X6 1075T is a solid CPU for $159. He would have to spend $50-70 more to get a i5 2500/k

Granted the hexacore bulldozers are not fantastic but the Phenom II X6s are beefy for the price.

agreed the x6 isnt bad but i will say this 2500k vs phenom II

Shogun II its a near 35-75% performance difference in favor of the i5 2500k
Bad company 2 Phenom II x4 4ghz + single 6970 would push 60fps 2500k stock pushed 90 at the same settings so it really comes down to games that the OP plays

but to rattle off a few

GTA IV
Shogun II
Bad Company 2
Far Cry 2
Dirt 2 / 3
F1 2010 / 2011 amd APU and BD chips do far better here then Phenom II chips due to memory bandwidth
WoW
Star Craft II

all perform far better on Intel CPUs hands down,

i would suggest an FX chip if he wants to stay with AMD but they need to be overclocked to perform well and they suck so much god damn power Phenom II x6 is more attractive

1055T or 1075T clocked up will do pretty damn well, but in reality $50 difference is miniscule,

between combo deals proper ram selection, better GPU choice the price difference can be eliminated,

I will say this tho... if the OP does Video Encoding or works with Photoshop on a regular basis the Phenom II x6 or FX 8120 / 8150 are damn good choices.
 

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I wonder if i3 2100 should be considered. That chip consistently performs very well compared to Phenom II (non overclocked), and even with overclock it doesn't fall that far behind.

http://techreport.com/articles.x/20188/7
 
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^ personally I would touch the i3 2100.

Although gaming performance is decent, actually really good, I think its too much of a gamble getting involved in any dual core processor. For a long term investment $124.99 is a heavy pricetag for such a gamble too especially since the Phenom II X4s cost about the same and has similar gaming performance but with significantly better performance in other areas (rendering, encoding) hence making it a more well rounded performer.
 

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^ personally I would touch the i3 2100.

Although gaming performance is decent, actually really good, I think its too much of a gamble getting involved in any dual core processor. For a long term investment $124.99 is a heavy pricetag for such a gamble too especially since the Phenom II X4s cost about the same and has similar gaming performance but with significantly better performance in other areas (rendering, encoding) hence making it a more well rounded performer.

Well, if OP doesn't do those things, I think the i3 2100 is not much of a gamble. So far we have the Frostbite family which demands 4 threads, and even then the i3 2100 manage to hold off the 975BE(w/o OC), I would give it more credit than what we are giving it. If power consumption is a much bigger issue compared to encoding/rendering/highly multithreaded workloads then it might be worth considering. After all, the price is largely the same as Phenom II, and you are given the option of upgrading all the way up to 2600K in a few years time.
 

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if your gonna drop so low aka i3 2100 just get a damn i5 2300 and be done with it, the 2300

the turbo multi means you can still clock the i5 2300 up to 3.5ghz

and with the something like 103 bclk x 35 = 3.6ghz

so even an i5 2300 can be a damn good cpu as it can be taken to 3.6ghz 24/7 with relative ease.

if lucky you can push 106 bclk x 35 multi for 3.7ghz at which point the i5 2300 at $180 add in a combo deal you can drop that another $15-20 :toast:
 
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and you are given the option of upgrading all the way up to 2600K in a few years time.

I think this is real the only reason I would buy an i3. If I was determined to go Intel but didnt have enough money for a i5/i7 but wanted something to hold me off. With Cool
& Quiet enabled or Intels equivalent power consumption isnt is big selling point.

IMO the pricing of the i3 is wrong, for $90-100 I would jump on it, but when I see the Phenom II X5 1055T for $25 more the i3 starts to look unattractive.

IMO I think the OPs best choices are the i5 2500/2600K, Phenom II X6 1055T/1075T, AMD FX 8120 and 8150. Think anything less would be a stop gap system.
 
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agreed the x6 isnt bad but i will say this 2500k vs phenom II

Shogun II its a near 35-75% performance difference in favor of the i5 2500k
Bad company 2 Phenom II x4 4ghz + single 6970 would push 60fps 2500k stock pushed 90 at the same settings so it really comes down to games that the OP plays

but to rattle off a few

GTA IV
Shogun II
Bad Company 2
Far Cry 2
Dirt 2 / 3
F1 2010 / 2011 amd APU and BD chips do far better here then Phenom II chips due to memory bandwidth
WoW
Star Craft II

all perform far better on Intel CPUs hands down,

i would suggest an FX chip if he wants to stay with AMD but they need to be overclocked to perform well and they suck so much god damn power Phenom II x6 is more attractive

1055T or 1075T clocked up will do pretty damn well, but in reality $50 difference is miniscule,

between combo deals proper ram selection, better GPU choice the price difference can be eliminated,

I will say this tho... if the OP does Video Encoding or works with Photoshop on a regular basis the Phenom II x6 or FX 8120 / 8150 are damn good choices.

I completely disagree with almost everything you said. For photoshop/video encoding I would definitely go Intel. Especially if your video editing is mostly reducing resolution for ipods or other portable devices AVX ROCKs at reducing 1080P to ipod. Not so much at transcoding at same res though better off with a 2600/2600K IMHO.

For gaming AMD is fine. The only review I can find that meets your claims about 90FPS on intel and 60 FPS on AMD is using a 280GTX at 1680x1050. 80% the resolution of even a 1080P gamer resolution. about 70% the resolution of a 1920x1200 monitor. So yes. At low resolution on DX9 games and mostly on older games, the intel is a better choice. You will jump from looking perfect to cant tell a difference at all.


Intel will be less CPU limited in games but with a good GPU and HD resolution you will not be limited.

Both the Deneb/zosma (phenom II) and thuban (x6) chips are EXCELLENT desktop chips for all around usage and gaming. Bulldozer can compete with 2500K in heavily threaded tests, hell even a thuban can in some of them. But benchmarks are not the end all be all.
 

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I am not a loyalist to AMD just noticed the price. But a i5 sounds good to me. I do not work with Photoshop or anything similar.
 
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IF you want to go 2500K that is a good system too, I am not a loyalist either. Many PCs in my house are AMD builds but they are true budget builds, ($probably worth in the $400 range right now, and I built them for less by buying used)

My Good Intel and AMD systems are good and more pricey.

Oh and one more thing to consider, that many people miss out on...

Many mobo manufacturers have software that can control the CPU AND the GPU, but only if both the card and the mobo are made by the same company. So going MSI/MSI, Gigabyte/Gigabyte or ASUS/ASUS might cost you an extra $20 but if you like to tinker or OC while in windows, it might be worth it.

Otherwise you will need two separate apps to tinker :) (I would say 3 but there is no memset for sandybridge anymore)
 

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I completely disagree with almost everything you said. For photoshop/video encoding I would definitely go Intel. Especially if your video editing is mostly reducing resolution for ipods or other portable devices AVX ROCKs at reducing 1080P to ipod. Not so much at transcoding at same res though better off with a 2600/2600K IMHO.

For gaming AMD is fine. The only review I can find that meets your claims about 90FPS on intel and 60 FPS on AMD is using a 280GTX at 1680x1050. 80% the resolution of even a 1080P gamer resolution. about 70% the resolution of a 1920x1200 monitor. So yes. At low resolution on DX9 games and mostly on older games, the intel is a better choice. You will jump from looking perfect to cant tell a difference at all.


Intel will be less CPU limited in games but with a good GPU and HD resolution you will not be limited.

Both the Deneb/zosma (phenom II) and thuban (x6) chips are EXCELLENT desktop chips for all around usage and gaming. Bulldozer can compete with 2500K in heavily threaded tests, hell even a thuban can in some of them. But benchmarks are not the end all be all.

okay so essentially your saying

myself,
cadaveca,
erocker,
and multiple others who have the hardware are wrong, lolz

Shogun II Intel RAPES amd
Bad Company 2 6 cores do far better but still not good enough
1100T at 4ghz vs 2500k at stock the 1100T is still slower, with dual gpus even more noticeably aka 1100T getting 120 to my 170 tested between me and erocker, single gpu the 1100T does better pulling into the 70fps range but 2500k still wallops it with 90 avg on the same maps same settings,
It is what it is with high end gpus Intel wins

with photoshop testing with effects and what not yes intel is faster guess what when saving files in large uncompressed formats in photoshop an AMD 6 core does win and by a significant margin do to the fact its all multi threaded and when i say large file sizes im talking 60-70mb uncompressed high resolution images, and considering saving properly and often means this becomes important.

encoding a 1035T will beat any intel chip same price range dont argue the semantics were talking price to performance

1035T 6 core will beat the similar priced i3 2100 in any of the multi threading tests so both arguing other wise.

when it comes to gaming

Ive owned

Phenom II 940 BE, 965BE
Intel I5 2500k

tested with 4870x2 5850 xfire 6970 xfire and 6950 crossfire along with single gpu,

Shogun II has a built in CPU test,

Phenom II chips average 17-23fps stock to overclocked
2500k is 27-30 stock up to 40 overclocked

if you read what i said

i SAID intel was SUPERIOR in gaming reread the post

and as far as multi threading performance 3d rendering and photoshop work.

Ill take my own testing over any reviewer ill also take the words of others that make there living with photoshop :roll:

fact is

gaming Intel wins hands down in 99% of titles right now

all the titles you qouted from me Intel wins and usually hands down

as far as price performance

i3 2100 cannot compete with a 6 core phenom in multi threaded apps

cheapest i5 quadcore is $180
1055T is $150, 1055T will hit 4ghz i5 2300 hits 3.5 anything after that entirely requires a great mobo and a damn good chip so yes in multi threaded encoding and 3d rendering and photoshop the AMD chips win.


not to mention you can grab the AMD 1035T for $140

for a gaming rig Intel is superior and i recommended the 2500k myself and if thats to expensive take a i5 2300 and just set it 3.5ghz and leave it there.

my rambling point thats TL DR is this

at same price AMD wins the encoding photoshop and 3d rendering benchs,
same price point Intel will win the Gaming benchs, now if its only gaming yea intel wins if you spend more then $180 cpu wise go intel, if your gonna spend $150 or less on the CPU go AMD x6 and clock the dog snot out of it :toast:

but

i3 2100 = $125
Phenom II x6 1035T = $139
knock the 1055Ts scores down about 3% due to clock speed difference
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/147?vs=289

again im not arguing that the Intel chips dont rape in games i pointed it out and listed titles i know for a FACT run better on Intel lol as for 3d Rendering etc, well at the same price my point is made, Intel is faster as you climb the food chain but then thats to be expected is it not ?

im just covering all bases here, for a pure gaming rig on the cheap i5 2300 minimum if possible 2500k end of story :roll:
 
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