Gpu upgrade advice

[satyer]

Have you checked how much your current setup is using? and software won't work you'll need to use something like a kill a watt

i got this program HWiNFO64 but never used it , but as far as i see my cpu uses only 124.9W , cant see on other parts as im a newbie with that program.

 

[NdMk2o1o]

i got this program HWiNFO64 but never used it , but as far as i see my cpu uses only 124.9W , cant see on other parts as im a newbie with that program.

A software program won't tell you what your computer is pulling from the wall, likely it goes off hardware info and just gives you standard ratings based on what the part is rated at, for instance, your CPU is rated at 125w though that is will all 6 cores being loaded to 100% so you won't be using that unless your CPU is loaded, likewise when gaming your CPU and GPU won't both be constantly at 100% unless it's a very very well optimised game and most won't utilise both components to their full extent. I think your CPU will peak at 125w unless you have overclocked it? and your GPU at about 250-270w in gaming, the rest of your system components don't really use all that much, you could say 50w at maximum for a couple of RAM sticks, HDD's and anything else you have... gives you a max wattage of around 450w at full tilt... whilst your PSU isn't a gold/platinum top tier PSU neither is it an unbranded over rated PSU and will be able to deliver it's full wattage give or take...

 

[satyer]

i did had a 290 (strongly clocked) and a FX-6300 (also with a good OC on it ) on a Fractal Design Integra R2 650W 80+ bronze, without any issues
also had that Tt 630w psu for quite a while i would recommend a good 80+ bronze in 650 and more like the Fractal or Seasonic also

estimate with the 390 at 90% load 8hrs a day

Load Wattage:458 W
Recommended UPS rating:850 VA
Recommended PSU Wattage:508 W

Amperage (combined)​

+3.3V+5V+12V
9.5 A9.0 A35.9 A
77 W431 W​

Always on 24/7 and 100% TDP
Load Wattage:489 W
Recommended UPS rating:900 VA
Recommended PSU Wattage:539 W

Amperage (combined)​

+3.3V+5V+12V
9.8 A9.4 A38.3 A
80 W460 W​

only in worst case scenario a 650w will be in pain with that setup ​

http://outervision.com/b/skPvGM this would be the watt usage if id buy the saphire r9 390, the 390 uses 370watt if on 100% of usage all the time as i look on the sapphire site regarding that gpu.
And i do not plan on overclocking anything for the time being.

 

[satyer]

A software program won't tell you what your computer is pulling from the wall, likely it goes off hardware info and just gives you standard ratings based on what the part is rated at, for instance, your CPU is rated at 125w though that is will all 6 cores being loaded to 100% so you won't be using that unless your CPU is loaded, likewise when gaming your CPU and GPU won't both be constantly at 100% unless it's a very very well optimised game and most won't utilise both components to their full extent. I think your CPU will peak at 125w unless you have overclocked it? and your GPU at about 250-270w in gaming, the rest of your system components don't really use all that much, you could say 50w at maximum for a couple of RAM sticks, HDD's and anything else you have... gives you a max wattage of around 450w at full tilt... whilst your PSU isn't a gold/platinum top tier PSU neither is it an unbranded over rated PSU and will be able to deliver it's full wattage give or take...

My cpu isn't overclocked and i dont wanna touch oveclocking with that psu , nor i need to actually. The games im eager to play most are witcher 3 on ultra,dragon age 3 Inquisition and modding skyrim, so then i should be fine by your call?

 

[NdMk2o1o]

http://outervision.com/b/skPvGM this would be the watt usage if id buy the saphire r9 390, the 390 uses 370watt if on 100% of usage all the time as i look on the sapphire site regarding that gpu.
And i do not plan on overclocking anything for the time being.

a 390 does not use 370w... you are wrong! stop looking at random sites.. that states max load is 534w in total and they have to over estimate to avoid Joe Bloggs buying some cheap non-branded supposedly PSU rated at 500-600w that can only in reality deliver 300-400w. You have a decent PSU

 

[NdMk2o1o]

125w CPU, 275w GPU and an additional 50w max on +12v rail means you'll be lucky to ever pull 450w!

 

[happita]

NdMk2o1o is giving some sound advice. Your system will be fine, don't worry about it. If you're that concerned, then just don't overclock. That 390 should run all the games you listed with relative ease.

 

[AsRock]

With the 390 in your system the load should be like 430-440w so your psu is oky but for more stable power delivery i would go with Seasonic 650W Gold

Well i think if he kept on vsync on that he would not have a issue if that PSU can deliver 600w.

 

[GreiverBlade]

http://outervision.com/b/skPvGM this would be the watt usage if id buy the saphire r9 390, the 390 uses 370watt if on 100% of usage all the time as i look on the sapphire site regarding that gpu.
And i do not plan on overclocking anything for the time being.

well your GPU will never need 370W
unless worst case scenario ... remember i had a 290 (which is the same chip ) and a 6300 with a more than substantial OC (aka 4.5ghz CPU and 1100/1550 on GPU ) on a 650W ...
want another one? a Xeon e3-1275v2 (stock sadly ) with 2 GTX 580 Matrix Platinum (pushed to 950/1250 ) on a 700w 80+ gold (InWin Commander III Desert Fox)

funny you used the same PSU calc and got a different result ... ahah oh wait ... you used a 390X ... pahahahahah thanks

if you don't OC then you are more than fine ... read me correctly i said i had a 650W with a 4.5ghz FX-6300 and a 1100/1550 R9 290 and no issue, now if you keep them stock then you can keep that PSU for quite a while before even needing to change it ...

and i would recommend a good bronze like a Fractal design or Seasonic M12II which cost less than a gold label (and on my experience, Gold Bronze, no big difference for an average user, except in the price, and the 2 bronze i recommend are more like silver )
PSU as long as you don't go no name or shady brands like Hantol, Diablotek and RaptoxX, you're fine, even with your Tt Smart 630 (i had one with a X4 760K @4.4 and a R9 270 back in the days )

btw about your link....

no wonder you get different result than me if you change random things like putting a 390X in instead of a 390, oh and you know you can select 5x on a position instead of putting 1x 1x 1x 1x 1x for it

Load Wattage:458 W
Recommended UPS rating:850 VA
Recommended PSU Wattage:508 W

Amperage (combined)​

+3.3V+5V+12V
9.5 A9.0 A35.9 A
77 W431 W​

just in case again 508W recommended not 584W (well even in 584W case a 630-650 would work) since my system was as it follow :

Load Wattage:576 W
Recommended UPS rating:1100 VA
Recommended PSU Wattage:626 W

Amperage (combined)​

+3.3V+5V+12V
9.5 A10.1 A45.3 A
82 W543 W​

and that was with the OC and more hardware in http://outervision.com/b/ySyDOM

well no real need to count USB3.0 or 2.0 devices tho, and if you count your keyboard and mouse as usb it's like counting them 2 time to put them in keyboard and mouse category after

woah 30W difference for a ODD... ahah i know why i did get rid of that useless relic of the past ... rather use a external that you can unplug when you want or need (and i have still the need for it tho)
8W for the standard soundcard... thanks ALC1150

this is with counting the Keyboard and mouse (gaming ... ridiculous calling but that's what they are according to outervision) and the rest i did forgot in my initial calculation of 626w recommended (1 140mm, 1 fan controller, 2 watercolling loop, 1 7200rpm HDD and 1 SSD more than you actual rig, didn't count the 2 30cm led stripes tho ) no wonder my 650W did hold it ... tho i wouldn't use a 630W but your rig is nowhere close to that
Load Wattage:586 W
Recommended UPS rating:1100 VA
Recommended PSU Wattage:636 W

Amperage (combined)​

+3.3V+5V+12V
9.5 A11.6 A45.5 A
90 W546 W
​

i always used outervision's power calc and it never failed me tho, albeit being a rough estimate of the power needed (unlike manufacturer who tend to exaggerate a bit to avoid worst case scenario or user with shaddy PSU )

​

 

[Countryside]

well your GPU will never need 370W
unless worst case scenario ... remember i had a 290 (which is the same chip ) and a 6300 with a more than substantial OC (aka 4.5ghz CPU and 1100/1550 on GPU ) on a 650W ...
want another one? a Xeon e3-1275v2 (stock sadly ) with 2 GTX 580 Matrix Platinum (pushed to 950/1250 ) on a 700w 80+ gold (InWin Commander III Desert Fox)

funny you used the same PSU calc and got a different result ... ahah oh wait ... you used a 390X ... pahahahahah thanks

if you don't OC then you are more than fine ... read me correctly i said i had a 650W with a 4.5ghz FX-6300 and a 1100/1550 R9 290 and no issue, now if you keep them stock then you can keep that PSU for quite a while before even needing to change it ...

and i would recommend a good bronze like a Fractal design or Seasonic M12II which cost less than a gold label (and on my experience, Gold Bronze, no big difference for an average user, except in the price, and the 2 bronze i recommend are more like silver )
PSU as long as you don't go no name or shady brands like Hantol, Diablotek and RaptoxX, you're fine, even with your Tt Smart 630 (i had one with a X4 760K @4.4 and a R9 270 back in the days )

btw about your link....

no wonder you get different result than me if you change random things like putting a 390X in instead of a 390, oh and you know you can select 5x on a position instead of putting 1x 1x 1x 1x 1x for it

Load Wattage:458 W
Recommended UPS rating:850 VA
Recommended PSU Wattage:508 W

Amperage (combined)​

+3.3V+5V+12V
9.5 A9.0 A35.9 A
77 W431 W​

just in case again 508W recommended not 584W (well even in 584W case a 630-650 would work) since my system was as it follow :

Load Wattage:576 W
Recommended UPS rating:1100 VA
Recommended PSU Wattage:626 W

Amperage (combined)​

+3.3V+5V+12V
9.5 A10.1 A45.3 A
82 W543 W​

and that was with the OC and more hardware in http://outervision.com/b/ySyDOM

well no real need to count USB3.0 or 2.0 devices tho, and if you count your keyboard and mouse as usb it's like counting them 2 time to put them in keyboard and mouse category after

woah 30W difference for a ODD... ahah i know why i did get rid of that useless relic of the past ... rather use a external that you can unplug when you want or need (and i have still the need for it tho)
8W for the standard soundcard... thanks ALC1150

this is with counting the Keyboard and mouse (gaming ... ridiculous calling but that's what they are according to outervision) and the rest i did forgot in my initial calculation of 626w recommended (1 140mm, 1 fan controller, 2 watercolling loop, 1 7200rpm HDD and 1 SSD more than you actual rig, didn't count the 2 30cm led stripes tho ) no wonder my 650W did hold it ... tho i wouldn't use a 630W but your rig is nowhere close to that
Load Wattage:586 W
Recommended UPS rating:1100 VA
Recommended PSU Wattage:636 W

Amperage (combined)​

+3.3V+5V+12V
9.5 A11.6 A45.5 A
90 W546 W
​

i always used outervision's power calc and it never failed me tho, albeit being a rough estimate of the power needed (unlike manufacturer who tend to exaggerate a bit to avoid worst case scenario or user with shaddy PSU )

​

Ohh noo watch out here comes GreiverBlade he shoots he scores and the crowd goes wild

 

[m&m's]

Yes I did and your still wrong unless and overclocked 6 core AMD processor is suddenly going to eat up 300w your still wrong, am so sick of seeing the same crap regurgitated by people on here lately, where in the hell is his processor and other components going to reach 300w without a GPU even with an overclock??? it's FUD and an opinion, not fact, stop peddling it like it is. that system will probably use 450w maxxed out gaming etc

First sorry to respond days after but I forgot about this thread.
You're wrong from A to Z. Yes, his system needs 200W not overclocked and once overclocked an FX-6350 will need 300W. Need proof?

This is with a Radeon HD 7970 idling so you need to remove a couple of watts but still you get the idea.
Taken from this review -> http://www.reviewstudio.net/414-amd-fx-6350-review-6-cores-for-a-low-budget

Edit: I have a 290 which uses the same if not slightly more wattage than a 390 and am running it fine on a good quality 550w PSU and have OC'd both CPU and GPU. Albeit my CPU uses less wattage than the OP's AMD FX but even still, I have 80w total power less than the OP's PSU and it's not the best but it's definitely not a POS PSU either that he has. Please don't bring Furmark into the equation as NO ONE uses it who doesn't want to fry their cards anyway these days, it's a torture test that no game will ever stress the GPU in the same way.

Actually it's the 390 that consumes more, not the 290. Your 3570K (which is slightly overclocked to 4.3GHz) doesn't consume anything near an overclocked FX-6350. We're talking about a difference of more than 120W. Even overclocked to 5GHz it wouldn't consume near as much. I only brang Furmark in the equation to tell you that 277W is not a number set in stone, like I said before, another game could bring the GPU to consume 300W.

your CPU is rated at 125w though that is will all 6 cores being loaded to 100% so you won't be using that unless your CPU is loaded

125w CPU, 275w GPU and an additional 50w max on +12v rail means you'll be lucky to ever pull 450w!

This is nothing else than bullshit. His CPU is rated at 125W TDP. 125W TDP =/= 125W of power consumption. I believe you need an explanation on what TDP truly is.

Now because he doesn't plan on overclocking, everything will work but he's not going to get the performance an R9 390 has to offer.

Now all I can say is:

please don't give advice if you don't quite know what you're talking about

 

[satyer]

First sorry to respond days after but I forgot about this thread.
You're wrong from A to Z. Yes, his system needs 200W not overclocked and once overclocked an FX-6350 will need 300W. Need proof?

This is with a Radeon HD 7970 idling so you need to remove a couple of watts but still you get the idea.
Taken from this review -> http://www.reviewstudio.net/414-amd-fx-6350-review-6-cores-for-a-low-budget



Actually it's the 390 that consumes more, not the 290. Your 3570K (which is slightly overclocked to 4.3GHz) doesn't consume anything near an overclocked FX-6350. We're talking about a difference of more than 120W. Even overclocked to 5GHz it wouldn't consume near as much. I only brang Furmark in the equation to tell you that 277W is not a number set in stone, like I said before, another game could bring the GPU to consume 300W.



This is nothing else than bullshit. His CPU is rated at 125W TDP. 125W TDP =/= 125W of power consumption. I believe you need an explanation on what TDP truly is.

Now because he doesn't plan on overclocking, everything will work but he's not going to get the performance an R9 390 has to offer.

Now all I can say is:

Update on gpu: i decided to go with the MSI R9 390, im picking it up today as the sapphire r9 390 wasn't available.
So il need a better cpu to have better preformance in games with that gpu? Aswell i would need to buy a better psu too with the cpu. Or could i just overclock my current cpu and just get a better psu to handle it all?

 

[NdMk2o1o]

First sorry to respond days after but I forgot about this thread.
You're wrong from A to Z. Yes, his system needs 200W not overclocked and once overclocked an FX-6350 will need 300W. Need proof?

This is with a Radeon HD 7970 idling so you need to remove a couple of watts but still you get the idea.
Taken from this review -> http://www.reviewstudio.net/414-amd-fx-6350-review-6-cores-for-a-low-budget



Actually it's the 390 that consumes more, not the 290. Your 3570K (which is slightly overclocked to 4.3GHz) doesn't consume anything near an overclocked FX-6350. We're talking about a difference of more than 120W. Even overclocked to 5GHz it wouldn't consume near as much. I only brang Furmark in the equation to tell you that 277W is not a number set in stone, like I said before, another game could bring the GPU to consume 300W.



This is nothing else than bullshit. His CPU is rated at 125W TDP. 125W TDP =/= 125W of power consumption. I believe you need an explanation on what TDP truly is.

Now because he doesn't plan on overclocking, everything will work but he's not going to get the performance an R9 390 has to offer.

Now all I can say is:

I'm done in here but thanks for trying to bait me man with your random tidbits of info, if I cared enough I would do the same to counter but alas I don't.... 600w PSU is still more than adequate for the OP's build, though good luck with your next troll ay

 

[Kanan]

I don't care about your strange discussion here, I'll strictly answer to the OP in the best of my knowledge.

Update on gpu: i decided to go with the MSI R9 390, im picking it up today as the sapphire r9 390 wasn't available.
So il need a better cpu to have better preformance in games with that gpu? Aswell i would need to buy a better psu too with the cpu. Or could i just overclock my current cpu and just get a better psu to handle it all?

Yes your FX 6350 is somewhat too slow to utilize the R9 390 at 100% at all times. But it's good enough for many games nonetheless, with overclocking even better. Your PSU is fine enough. I run a more power hungry system than what you plan to use with a 600 W PSU myself, so I'd know.
So what can you do? If you have the money to spare, buy a new CPU/MB/Ram. If you want to save money, just overclock it as far as it runs stable. I'd certainly first try to use the CPU I have, and when it is too slow, upgrade. Good luck.

 

[Azumay]

Over clocking it will not gain much(gaming wise).
Your fx 6350 will do fine. Enjoy the upgrade to the r9 390 gpu.

Changing cpu for a few more max fps isn't worth it for now. Wait and see what Amd's zen will bring, and decide what cpu to go with.

 

[satyer]

Over clocking it will not gain much(gaming wise).
Your fx 6350 will do fine. Enjoy the upgrade to the r9 390 gpu.

Changing cpu for a few more max fps isn't worth it for now. Wait and see what Amd's zen will bring, and decide what cpu to go with.

Thanks, i am waiting for the amd zen, no rush, i tested the gpu and its flawless, running witcher 3 and batman arkham knight on ultra with ease im enjoying it, totally worth the upgrade.

 

[NdMk2o1o]

Thanks, i am waiting for the amd zen, no rush, i tested the gpu and its flawless, running witcher 3 and batman arkham knight on ultra with ease im enjoying it, totally worth the upgrade.

And low and behold there wasn't a nuclear meltdown either, happy days