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Graphics Card Shipments to Drop Drastically in Q2 2014

Discussion in 'News' started by btarunr, Jun 17, 2014.

  1. Prima.Vera

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    Oh goody! Look, I have a crocodile tear in my left eye... sob sob..
    Good for them. Maybe they will go back to 2009 prices if they will have unsold cards...
     
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    Yes if you buy the GPU. But if you see that someone is trying to force you to pay also for cookies when you just want milk, you don't buy it. Not in the normal price anyway. If you see a 20% sale that's another story of course.
     
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    Companies always pass on the cost to the consumer. That doesn't mean its justified, it just means its an inherit cost you have to swallow for choosing that product.

    Fermis were introduced at a much lower price.
    600s were introduced at a higher price and the software wasn't introduced until a few months later well after people pay the inherit hidden cost of the software at the time of purchase. Mind you that not all the features work on all the cards nor are supported by all Keplers.

    How many of those 600 series users or newer would have loved to had a $50 savings rather then pay the hidden cost of the software they might use or don't even want.
     
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    hardware have surpasse software.

    building a game who can utilise all the hardware(PC) is pretty difficult atm.

    it need: energy,money and alot of time..

    it pretty normal hardware stop selling.
    It gonna be good for us who will see price drop some days :toast:

    pretty shure we gonna se some delay for the next generation (800 series)..
     
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    "...the sources said." is like "the analysts say that..."

    but nobody has ever seen those sources or spoken to those analysts.

    the analysts never learn their lesson when every Quarter things are not as they predicted and
    the sources sounds like someone let his kid write an article and he went to the local pub to watch the world cup.
    I remember that some sources claimed that bitcoin is dying the last 2 years, litecoin is never getting an HDL algorithm and so forth.

    on other words: Let's go get an AMD 290x .... (UT)DENIED, stock is low due to mining (insert facepalm here)
     
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    Donno what about the people in USA, but here R9 290s and 290X along side 280X's are being sold 2nd hand from miners for almost nothing. One can get a couple of R9 290s for about 400 euros.
     
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    This. I've been an NVIDIA customer for, hell, I don't know how long. But one thing always bothered me: the price. I don't know why JHH & Co. always insisted to put high price on their cards. Sure, GeForce's good and they developed their own tech and all though I can't say the same about GFE or ShadowPlay because I never use them, but it'd be better if, say, they sell 780 Ti for the price of 290/290x for example. I doubt production cost is really that high so why the expensive price?
     
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    Be very careful of buying 2nd-hand mining GPUs that have been run at max clocks 24/7 for months to mine cryptocurrencies.
     
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    Why? I had my GPUs run WCG work units for half a year and they work fine to this day. I don't think running them for crypto would be any different.
     
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    Well when someone can grab a Ebay 280X for like $150, it also effects Nvidia, because that was the same buyer who looked at both 760-770's prices see’s that the bait as super enticing.
    The folks that are looking for deals from Crypto-mining left overs, aren't necessarily those that exhibit any brand constancy. Honestly the Crypto-mining left overs might impact Nvidia the same given their prices on GK104’s are out-of-sync with the price/performance… with Crypto-mining now dead. It was okay for Nvidia to be judged a "deal" in reviews when AMD had stupid crazy retail pricing, now that AMD's are more often positioning below MSRP (or well-below here in the USA) it's just fine for Nvidia and the price/performance no-longer being part of the topic.
     
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    Another interesting fact that scrubs saying how AMD is beter, AMD is cheaper... But still sales dropped 30-40%. Half of them probably sitting with HD 6000 and trolling.
     
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    Maybe if you click the source link, you'll find that the crypto-coin attribution for the impending GPU sales crash comes from the source, and is not my personal observation.


    Thanks, I bought it last November, at its launch price of $399 (+taxes), and well before I wrote editorials warning people that crypto-coin miners that use GPUs have an appetite for newborns.
     
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    In Q1, AMD had a ridiculous rise in GPU sales due to crypto mining. They're just losing that extra demand.

    I think the only troll here is you.
     
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    While we're on that point of unnecessary software, can we include bundled games in this category? I thought things were changing for the better when AMD introduced special Battlefield 4 editions of cards, meaning that if you didn't want the game you could save money by getting the non-bundled version. But now the industry, both AMD and NVidia, are back to bundles again forcing people like me to pay for games I do not want and then requiring me to resell the code instead of receiving a lower price in the first place.
     
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    They were saying that as AMD is a much smaller campany than nVidia so it's more likely to go bust way before.
     
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    Cooling fans don't last if run at 100% speed 24/7; I'm predicting that there is going to be a glut of mined-out Radeons floating around in < 2 years with broken fans and no more warranty.
     
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    Because discrete sales are built on $1000 cards ? You do realise that the consumer add-in board market is damn small to begin with compared to OEM contracts, and $1000 (or even $400, $500, $600+ for that matter) sales of consumer boards is minute in the greater scheme of things.
    Here's a breakdown of Mercury Research's market segment analysis from three years ago. Note the sales of entry level boards
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    Mainly because there is a general suspicion of cards that have been run hard in mining. If you're happy whatever guarantee offered mitigates any downside then go for it. Personally I purchased a Gigabyte GTX 780 GHz Ed. on Ebay (new, sealed) for $US440, and it is on par with a 290X for my usage scenario. I wouldn't consider "upgrading"to either the 290X or 780 Ti, much like 99.99999% of people shopping for a graphics upgrade
    Are you sure you understand the concept of brand? If Nvidia made the bulk of its revenue from consumer GTX 780 Ti/Titan Black then you'd have a point. The fact that most sales are to OEM's on thin margins, and professional cards for the cream, tends to marginalize the narrow focus of your attention.
    Like the vast majority of buyers give a shit about architecture? Show me a single person who could differentiate the cache or scheduling structure in a GPU architecture, and I'll show you a thousand who buy based on marketing and "bigger number = better performance".
    The combined might of Intel and ATI/AMD were supposed to revolutionize physics with HavokFX as I remember. Still waiting...
    So you're singling out PhysX because it's gimmicky, Nvidia, and is...actually used?
    Why not rant about the development of Bullet ? or Tokomak ? or ODE ? Havok is used in a lot more games than PhysX and doesn't do appreciably more (less in a lot of simulations) than Nvidia's (also) proprietary engine.
    Says the guy who's specs list SLI'ed GTX Titans. You don't think you maybe answered your own question?
     
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    AMD and Nvidia could also drive demand by simply invigorating the stagnant desktop monitor market. Get desktop monitor manufacturers to produce more monitors with higher refresh rates (120Hz doubles the usual 60Hz load), higher resolutions (why do laptops and tablets have such higher resolutions available when desktops are more likely to have the hardware to drive them) and higher pixel density (not everyone has room for a 27" or 30" monitor; again something laptops and tablets have but not desktops). Make a 24" monitor with 2560x1600 resolution and I'll throw money at it along with a fancy new graphics card.
     
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    There's always aftermarket heatsinks.
     
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    Exactly the same reason i'm still on my i5 2500k.
     
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    Hey I recognise you, you're that guy that trollbaits in news posts.

    Not gonna happen sonny :)
     
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    Smart miners who know what they are doing are lowering the Scrypt intensity so much that the loads on the cards are roughly the same as those for Folding cards. The vast majority however (I expect) is using the max settings thinking they get more money that way (not knowing they are screwing the efficiency and the VRMs of their cards).
     
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    As others have said, I suspect it's just the increased demand now leveling off. AMD would be hurting now if they made the mistake of spending all that money from the cryptocurrency craze leaving themselves with nothing to ride out the post-crash. With these high end, modern, used GPUs going rather cheap, AMD just has to sit and smile while nVidia struggles to remain price competitive. (I realize I'm comparing used AMD mining cards against new nVidia cards, but seeing as how that's what's generally available on the market, I think it's a valid point)

    Yes, mining cards were probably run 24/7 with every last bit of performance tweaked out of them, but I suspect those in the market for a used 290x won't even realize that could be an issue.
     
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