Is it time for Windows 10 already?

P4-630 · Jun 1, 2015

I did not get any notifications on my laptops, windows 7 SP1 / 8.1 and I can't seem to find KB3035583 in the updates either, also not in hidden updates.
Can I download this update somewhere else ?

AlienIsGOD · Jun 1, 2015

it wasnt on my i5 2400 pc till i restarted it after getting 3 random updates (they didnt say that they were win 10 related updates either)

mroofie · Jun 1, 2015

sneekypeet said:
Was sitting here surfing TPU and I noticed something pop up by the time and date.
Seems I am being prompted to take on Windows 10 through my Windows 7 OS.

Anyone else seeing this yet?
Of course it seems this just reserves a copy, but I wonder if it is even worth bothering to pre-register for it, when it is supposedly free when it does go RTM.

so excited

R-T-B · Jun 1, 2015

btw MS have stated a new policy with W10 where any drivers not certified cannot be installed.

Now that's a big stinker for me... I use a few unsigned drivers, notably for my Xbox 360 controller, where the signed drivers treat the triggers like a fricking analog axis rather than a button...

Fortunately, I bet microsoft still allows you to load an unsigned driver via the good ol' boot options. They'd better, or they just lost me as a customer. That'd be one thing too many...

FordGT90Concept · Jun 1, 2015

P4-630 said:
I did not get any notifications on my laptops, windows 7 SP1 / 8.1 and I can't seem to find KB3035583 in the updates either, also not in hidden updates.
Can I download this update somewhere else ?

It is an optional update. They may have recently updated it to be an important update though.

R-T-B said:
Now that's a big stinker for me... I use a few unsigned drivers, notably for my Xbox 360 controller, where the signed drivers treat the triggers like a fricking analog axis rather than a button...

Because the triggers ARE Z-axis. One is 0 through 1000; the other is 0 through -1000. All your "unsigned drivers" are doing is rounding to 0 or +/-1000. I wouldn't advise doing that because they're deliberately high precision.

P4-630 · Jun 1, 2015

AlienIsGOD said:
it wasnt on my i5 2400 pc till i restarted it after getting 3 random updates (they didnt say that they were win 10 related updates either)

Ok found it on my windows 8.1 laptop, it was already installed (optional update).
Just did not get any notification yet, maybe tomorrow then.

Now installing updates on my windows 7 laptop, maybe I get that update after I installed other updates.

R-T-B · Jun 1, 2015

FordGT90Concept said:
Because the triggers ARE Z-axis. One is 0 through 1000; the other is 0 through -1000. All your "unsigned drivers" are doing is rounding to 0 or +/-1000. I wouldn't advise doing that because they're deliberately high precision.

Deliberately high precision or not, explain to me how to map that axis to a button-only function in a game (ie FIRE!) and I'll gladly switch over.

Pill Monster · Jun 1, 2015

R-T-B said:
Now that's a big stinker for me... I use a few unsigned drivers, notably for my Xbox 360 controller, where the signed drivers treat the triggers like a fricking analog axis rather than a button...

Fortunately, I bet microsoft still allows you to load an unsigned driver via the good ol' boot options. They'd better, or they just lost me as a customer. That'd be one thing too many...

They don't, that's the point. According to MSDN every driver now has to be signed, even for testing. You can't just enable test signing then use unsigned drivers. Atm there is some certificate in the preview builds which allows beta testing, supposedly thaty's going to disappear at RTM. That's all know so far.

Someone at Redmond prob bought a new Ferarri

R-T-B said:
Deliberately high precision or not, explain to me how to map that axis to a button-only function in a game (ie FIRE!) and I'll gladly switch over.

Done.

http://joytokey.net/en/

erixx · Jun 1, 2015

or x360ce

FordGT90Concept · Jun 1, 2015

R-T-B said:
Deliberately high precision or not, explain to me how to map that axis to a button-only function in a game (ie FIRE!) and I'll gladly switch over.

Emulator, like JoyToKey.

Edit: Pill Monster beat me to it. :x

P4-630 said:
Ok found it on my windows 8.1 laptop, it was already installed (optional update).
Just did not get any notification yet, maybe tomorrow then.

Now installing updates on my windows 7 laptop, maybe I get that update after I installed other updates.

I wouldn't be surprised if Microsoft is slowly pushing the GWX update out in a specific pattern to spread out their server load. That might be why some see it and some don't. I suspect everyone will have access to it by July.

Pill Monster said:
They don't, that's the point. According to MSDN every driver now has to be signed, even for testing. You can't just enable test signing then use unsigned drivers. Atm there is some certificate in the preview builds which allows beta testing, supposedly thaty's going to disappear at RTM. That's all know so far.

It might be a function of the Secure Boot. To be Windows 10 certified hardware, there can't even be an option to turn Secure Boot off. Allowing an unsigned driver under Secure Boot presents a gapping security hole. I don't like it either but...what can I do about it?

R-T-B · Jun 1, 2015

Pill Monster said:
They don't, that's the point. According to MSDN every driver now has to be signed, even for testing. You can't just enable test signing then use unsigned drivers. Atm there is some certificate in the preview builds which allows beta testing, supposedly thaty's going to disappear at RTM. That's all know so far.

Someone at Redmond prob bought a new Ferarri

I'm not talking about test signing. At least now, you can deliberately load an unsigned driver with NO CERTIFICATES at all using advanced boot options, and the 7th option. I hope that stays but I'm not counting on it either...

Done.
http://joytokey.net/en/

I'm not talking about commercial software either. And I think x360ce (mentioned above) requires XBCD, the exact unsigned driver I use, doesn't it?

Also at stake here is the ability to map the "start" button on the xbox controller, I don't think the microsoft drivers allow this at all. Could be wrong though, it has been a long time...

c12038 · Jun 1, 2015

For everyone info Windows 10 is windows 8.1 Pro Tarted up

AlienIsGOD · Jun 1, 2015

c12038 said:
For everyone info Windows 10 is windows 8.1 Pro Tarted up

Contribute something worthwhile please, most of us are testing 10 and your useless info has no bearing on this conversation

FordGT90Concept · Jun 1, 2015

R-T-B said:
Also at stake here is the ability to map the "start" button on the xbox controller, I don't think the microsoft drivers allow this at all. Could be wrong though, it has been a long time...

Start is Button 8
Back is Button 7

The only one you can't touch is the controller power button/connect/configure button. The rest can be remapped. If you do use JoyToKey it might be a good idea to download a template to use.

c12038 · Jun 1, 2015

AlienIsGOD said:
Contribute something worthwhile please, most of us are testing 10 and your useless info has no bearing on this conversation

Well if you put it that way

Windows 10 Home edition and Windows 10 Pro are basically windows 8.1 Home and Windows 8.1 Pro that has been fine tuned with new updated software in the form of DX12 for better optimization for Newer CPU's and Newer type Ram IE DDR4 it is also optimized for SSD's to get the most out that technology.. Also for the Gamer its a very good Operating system as it keeps a balance between Performance and energy saving....

Blah blah blah is that clear enough for you

PS forgot to mention newer drivers will be available upon launch of Windows 10 Nvidia and AMD have released BETAS other manufactures will release more or less Alpha /Beta drivers

qubit · Jun 1, 2015

Are any Windows 7 users with a retail TechNet licence getting the upgrade popup? I have a sneaking suspicion that we may not qualify.

FordGT90Concept · Jun 1, 2015

Doubt it because TechNet software is for evaluation only. They terminated the program because of rampant abuse of the license.

ThE_MaD_ShOt · Jun 1, 2015

So are we going to have to eventually buy a license even though we upgrade from win7/8.1? My train of though is that what happens say 18 months from now if we need to reinstall our OS? Can we still "upgrade" or are we going to have to buy?

R-T-B · Jun 1, 2015

FordGT90Concept said:
Start is Button 8
Back is Button 7

The only one you can't touch is the controller power button/connect/configure button. The rest can be remapped. If you do use JoyToKey it might be a good idea to download a template to use.

Must've just been one game not recognizing button 8, or the drivers changed.

Either way, that's workable. Thanks. Now we can end this off-topic tangent... lol.

ThE_MaD_ShOt said:
So are we going to have to eventually buy a license even though we upgrade from win7/8.1? My train of though is that what happens say 18 months from now if we need to reinstall our OS? Can we still "upgrade" or are we going to have to buy?

One word:

Refresh.

ThE_MaD_ShOt · Jun 1, 2015

R-T-B said:
One word:

Refresh.

Not sure what you mean bud. Say we have a drive failure.

R-T-B · Jun 1, 2015

ThE_MaD_ShOt said:
Not sure what you mean bud. Say we have a drive failure.

I'm not supporting it, but I'm sure you're screwed. MS seems to think licenses go poof when parts change.

My "Refresh" comment was pretty much what I believe is sadly, factual sarcasm.

RCoon · Jun 1, 2015

ThE_MaD_ShOt said:
Not sure what you mean bud. Say we have a drive failure.

You'll need to install your original OS that you have a license for, then install Win 10 over the top of that via Windows Update, and use the upgrade code you recieve for that update.

Basically you can have Win 10 for free, but you have to install the OS you upgraded from first if you want to do a fresh install.

If you want a Win 10 disc you can install fresh from, you'll have to buy a license.

Caring1 · Jun 1, 2015

My understanding is as long as the license is valid you get the free upgrade for life.
If your drive goes "poof" the key is tied to the motherboard.

ThE_MaD_ShOt · Jun 1, 2015

That's what I am thinking. That we are getting the "free upgrade" for a limited time. Once the offer is over we that took advantage of it will be screwed down the road into either going back to win7/win8.1 or buying win10. I mean face it we here as pc enthusiast tend to screw a os install up from time to time and need to reinstall.

An I could be wrong. Maybe they will have something in place so we can reinstall down the road. I hope so because I have atleast 5 rigs in my house that I would like to take the free upgrade offer on. If they don't have anything inplace I would keep most of them under win7 and switch them out to Linux if the os drives die.

qubit · Jun 1, 2015

FordGT90Concept said:
Doubt it because TechNet software is for evaluation only. They terminated the program because of rampant abuse of the license.

That's a shame. I remember someone at my workplace flogging those TechNet licences as "legit", but he was always cagey about where exactly he got them from. I kept bugging him about it and eventually he said they were TechNet keys. I told him that was illegal, but he just got all belligerent about it. Yeah, it's because of douchebags like that that we don't have TechNet anymore. :nutkick:

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