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Kepler Unbeatable: NVIDIA

Discussion in 'News' started by btarunr, Mar 1, 2012.

  1. Benetanegia

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    Maybe you don't see a difference but there is a difference and for me it's massive. It's the line between a slideshow and a somewhat bearable experience. Now between 50 and 60 that's another thing. Anyway you don't pay $500 for 4 fps and never said that. But paying an extra $50-100 or so would be totally worth it if you are paying $450 (say HD7950) in the frst place. 15% more $ for 15% more fps is OK.

    Personally I don't spend that much, far from it, but even in my price range I'd pay x% more for x% more performance. IMO your case is a falacy, like I said because there's no card that will give you 30-34 fps in all games. On some games, a particular card might be enough, in others it won't and let's not start talking about settings. So like I said a card that s faster it's faster and always will. It's not my bussiness or your bussiness to decide if those extra $100 are worth it for the people who are willing to pay $400++ for a card.

    When you say "anyone who will pay $500 to go from 30 to 34 fps in most of his games an utter fool" you are calling a fool to ALL enthusiasts, because that's what you get. A 15% increment no matter if it's at 30 fps or at 200, its a substantial difference and worth paying for some people. At 30 fps is going to be ever more important than at 200 plain and simple.

    According to your logic overclocking is useless, because you'll never achieve much more than 15% more actual performance and the best you would do is obtain those extra 3-4 fps.

    And this and what I'm saying are not mutually exclusive either. I'd do the same, but that does not mean that a 15% difference is meaningless. If you have to choose between HD7970 and GTX580 for the exact same price (and you can pay that price) you'll go with the Radeon. If the difference is 15% or less, much of the same.
     
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    So, they're going to release a single card mmm, even so, i agree with you, it is not going to be much faster than 7970 IF, it is faster, and that i haven't found anywhere, i've only seen and read that's going to be faster than gtx580 and 7950, NOT 7970, maybe if you give me that link where the gtx670 ti is said to be faster than 7970.

    And no my friend, 30 or 34 fps aren't noticeable, not in my experience.
    Maybe W1zzard can answer that? w1zzard, is that a massive difference?

    i made this scale xD:
    10 - 15% slight
    25% noticeable
    30 - 35% much faster
    40 - 50% massive
    60 - 80% outrageous!

    ....and hey, who said being an extreme enthusiast doesn't include being a fool?, of course they're fools who have lots of money or doesn't have any responsabilities, that spend 500 bucks for 4 fps..!
     
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    No they will release more than one card, but it will most definitely be either GTX680 + GTX670 OR GTX670 Ti and GTX670 non-Ti. maybe 670 Ti and 660 Ti, but IMO that's less likely, but again this is my opinion.

    Most rumors say it will be faster (the fastest one), only a few say that GK104 will not beat HD7970.

    In your experience. Definitely not in mine. And W1zzard cannot answer that question. It may be noticeable for him or not, but there is no unique answer to that.
    I mostly agree with that scale in general terms, except when we are talking about 30 fps. In that case ANY increase is massively noticeable to me.
     
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    everybody needs to keep in mind the rumor when this thread started was an April release.
     
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    You have a point, but from what I've read it's always been late March or fist week of April. Anyway the march 23 release date article was posted in TPU front page the same day as this thread afaik, so imo, no excuse.
     
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    No, people have to keep in mind that there is absolutely no legit information on Kepler and everything that everyone is talking about are simply rumors, that is all.

    Kepler very well could be fast, I'm getting annoyed with all the people who say that Kepler is fast without any valid basis for that assumption. All I've been saying is that the 7970 is here and it performs. Kepler is not, therefore it doesn't.
     
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    I don't disagree. It is just speculation and rumor.

    I do suspect Kepler to be faster, but only a little....... for the same reason I did not expect 7970 to be faster than what it is. G-cards are getting faster than what most people need and they are not going to make a card so fast you don't need to upgrade for several years in the future. Unfortunately considering the supposed problem with GPU yields I doubt it will be much cheaper if at all compared to AMD. It IS all SPECULATION.
     
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    I think 4 fps would not be noticeable if the g-card stayed in that consistent range. If it that was the minimum fps I doubt it would be noticeable either. If that is the max it would be. 30fps vs. 34fps average is hard to compare without knowing min. and max fps values. Would I pay 4-500 for that difference??? No way!
     
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    If you don't like speculation don't read. We are not here to please you, we are here to talk about what we like. And TPU posts this kind of news posts because they like us to come in and discuss. If you don't like it send a request to btarunr.
     
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    I'm trying to put objectiveness to the thread. I understand that people like to speculate on what is going to go on. I'm just pointing out that people shouldn't get all worked up for information that isn't necessarily valid and that the fan-boy battle is just getting a bit ridiculous and a little common sense will do a speculation thread some good.

    If you're trying to say that my comments aren't welcome then so be it. :banghead:
     
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    No, I'm saying that you should respect others' comments. If reading the opinion f other people annoys you then don't read it.
     
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    I am, I'm just pointing out that there is no information on Kepler to base such assumptions on. Please note the first post of this thread as a simple translation basically saying "when it comes, it will be fast," and I have no dispute with that. It is the things people say as if they're factual and spreading information that is simply false. I'm annoyed with comments like yours with your domineering attitude, and you are basically saying my comments aren't welcome and I don't appreciate you pushing back every time I try to explain my reasoning.
     
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    Just keep on topic everyone. There's no need to get feelings involved since the one's making the millions by selling video cards aren't even taking part in the discussion. Be cool. :cool:
     
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    Sorry for any inconvenience, erocker. Just trying to be objective in a sea of chaos. :)
     
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    I agree...

    As for my scale would be

    +5-10 fps , is that all?
    +10-15 fps , it's a start
    +15-20 fps , that is good
    +20-25 fps , now you're talking
    +25-30 fps , awesome this is what i was waiting for
    30+ fps , just take my money...

    As for Kepler high end i believe it will outperform the 7970 but probably not in every benchs or games maybe 70% of it
     
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    well remember that gk110 was supposed 2 be nvidia's top end, but it wont be coming till the end of the year
    so if gk104 beats hd7900 it will be by a small margin.

    there is no way nvidia will downgrade and use 256bit on their high end when a gtx 580 has 384bit bandwidth

    so that being said i agree with you totally on the last statement, and to add to it i expect most situations that are memory hungry and bandwidth hungry will favor amd
    and higher resolutions definitely will favor amd as well for its 3gb and 384bit bandwidth

    so for general use bandwidth doesnt linearly affect performance , so nvidia might do ok
     
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