Ketamine unlocks secret of depression

[Widjaja]

depression isn't a bad thing, so long as its not out of control. it can actually lead to many things that are positive.

Care to ellaborate?

 

[Lazzer408]

Treating symptoms.. What a breakthrough!
Get your lives togheter so that you don't need that shit, that's what i say.

It's like treating heroin addicts by giving them another drug.

EXACTLY! Unfortunatly it's not that easy to get a life together when so many social/governmental/legal systems hold you back.

Depression is a normal response to "less then ideal" experiences. Look at the world? What's not to be depressed about? It's a sad sad place. Thankfully(?) we find "distractions" to cheer us up, right? A night out to the local bar? A night in with a movie? A hobby? But once the rush wears off, what's left? Your still busting your arse all weak just to break even. No wonder "depression" is so common. It's not a disease, it's a reaction. What's the real problem? We're all oppressed and subconsciously our brains know we're rats in a cage and subconsciously we can't stand it, but what can we do about it without getting arrested?

 

[Frick]

EXACTLY! Unfortunatly it's not that easy to get a life together when so many social/governmental/legal systems hold you back.

Depression is a normal response to "less then ideal" experiences. Look at the world? What's not to be depressed about? It's a sad sad place. Thankfully(?) we find "distractions" to cheer us up, right? A night out to the local bar? A night in with a movie? A hobby? But once the rush wears off, what's left? Your still busting your arse all weak just to break even. No wonder "depression" is so common. It's not a disease, it's a reaction. What's the real problem? We're all oppressed and subconsciously our brains know we're rats in a cage and subconsciously we can't stand it, but what can we do about it without getting arrested?

And then we have the bipolar syndrome. You can be clinically depressed because you're body is not functioning properly. And outside factors can lead to this as well. It's all entangled, but to say "get out of it" is ignorance of the highest magnitude.

 

[FordGT90Concept]

I can see it now: the next prescribed (and abused) methamphetamine morphine!

What's worse: severe depression or a severe drug addiction?

 

[Lazzer408]

And then we have the bipolar syndrome. You can be clinically depressed because you're body is not functioning properly. And outside factors can lead to this as well. It's all entangled, but to say "get out of it" is ignorance of the highest magnitude.

"Get out of it" as in "Snap out of it"? Like, just choose to feel better? I wish. I think bi-polar disorders fall along the same lines as depression. Some days I feel like crap and when I do, I find myself looking at all the bad things in life. Same goes if I'm having a good day. I'll see all the good things that happened that day. There's just good and bad everywhere and some people react to it differently. Ever want to punch your waiter in the face for being rude to you? You should. If you could, he'd learn not to be such an a-hole to you because his wife's on the rag and he can't yell at her without risking divorce and loosing his home so your his scapegoat that night. I'd beat his ass but our laws prevent any future human learning and evolution from those experiences. I digress. We're all just consumer whores now and need to either accept it or fight it.

I don't buy it that so many people are depressed or have bi-polar disorders. I think alot of those people just can't keep themselfs distracted from the problems with society.

 

[de.das.dude]

depression is actually good for you, it motivates people in trying harder.

 

[Jetster]

depression is actually good for you, it motivates people in trying harder.

Actually by definition the term depression means lack of motivation. But your referring to a normal response to a sad affect which makes sense.

Clinical depression is different. I think its what we are talking about here. I indicates a depressed mood not caused by external environmental situations. But rather a internal chemical changes. The question is how to best change the chemicals back. Changes in diet, behavior or even medications may be required.

 

[Lazzer408]

Actually by definition the term depression means lack of motivation. But your referring to a normal response to a sad affect which makes sense.

Clinical depression is different. I think its what we are talking about here. I indicates a depressed mood not caused by external environmental situations. But rather a internal chemical changes. The question is how to best change the chemicals back. Changes in diet, behavior or even medications may be required.

But that's the thing. No one lives in an environment without negitive situations. Those chemical changes might be triggered by all the negitivity in society. Just because we've learned to accept it as "normal society" doesn't mean our primitive subconscious ignores it.

 

[Jetster]

But that's the thing. No one lives in an environment without negitive situations. Those chemical changes might be triggered by all the negitivity in society. Just because we've learned to accept it as "normal society" doesn't mean our primitive subconscious ignores it.

Not following your logic. I dont think our society is that negative and I also dont think clinical depression is normal

But back on track. I dont think taking Special K is a good idea unless your doctor agrees

I think your saying if your life sucks do something about it?

 

[v12dock]

The only other stuff I have had is Citalopram which made feel dozy and sluggish.
It didn't make me happy as assumed anti-depressants do, it just stopped me from dwelling on anything for too long.
Sort of numbing.

I took Citalopram for about 3 months, after about 1 month people said I was a lot more social and talkative. I was prescribed it to treat anxiety, after the 3 months I felt like I didn't need it anymore and completely stop taking it. My doctor said I would have to be whelmed off it, although I felt no affects when stop taking it suddenly.

 

[The_Ish]

EXACTLY! Unfortunatly it's not that easy to get a life together when so many social/governmental/legal systems hold you back.

Depression is a normal response to "less then ideal" experiences. Look at the world? What's not to be depressed about? It's a sad sad place. Thankfully(?) we find "distractions" to cheer us up, right? A night out to the local bar? A night in with a movie? A hobby? But once the rush wears off, what's left? Your still busting your arse all weak just to break even. No wonder "depression" is so common. It's not a disease, it's a reaction. What's the real problem? We're all oppressed and subconsciously our brains know we're rats in a cage and subconsciously we can't stand it, but what can we do about it without getting arrested?

Exactly. And I'm not a doctor, nor do i have ANY degree from college (or just plain university if you're not an American ) And i think chemical changes comes from environment. It has to be triggered by something. It doesn't just happen because a biological timer told your body to get sick. And I think this is the most evident with VD's. (Which means CEO in Swedish btw )

 

[Wrigleyvillain]

Uh there is a HUGE and very real difference between bummed about your shitty life and clincally depressed. Everything is biochemical. Some people brains just aren't "right" in terms of being able to live a normal life.

A lot of the comments in this thread are really ignorant.

 

[Widjaja]

Uh there is a HUGE and very real difference between bummed about your shitty life and clincally depressed. Everything is biochemical. Some people brains just aren't "right" in terms of being able to live a normal life.

A lot of the comments in this thread are really ignorant.

It can be really hard on a young male in New Zealand with depression, as Kiwi males are generally brought in a way that if there is anything emotionally going wrong we are just told to harden up, build a bridge and get over it.

I've had close friends attempt suicide and most of them finally succeeded.
One as recent as last year.
Whats worse is I never saw it coming.

 

[Thatguy]

Uh there is a HUGE and very real difference between bummed about your shitty life and clincally depressed. Everything is biochemical. Some people brains just aren't "right" in terms of being able to live a normal life.

A lot of the comments in this thread are really ignorant.

Then remove them from society, its wieghing the rest of us down.

 

[twilyth]

I can see you put a lot of thought into that post. Good job.

 

[Wrigleyvillain]

Then remove them from society, its wieghing the rest of us down.

I bet you point and laugh at people with Downs Syndrome too. Cretin. Your nick is apt.

 

[Widjaja]

depression isn't a bad thing, so long as its not out of control. it can actually lead to many things that are positive.

Then remove them from society, its wieghing the rest of us down.

 

[Oxford]

It's a good thing that there are professionals who study these matters scientifically and have actual systematic hard evidence to support their hypotheses.

 

[streetfighter 2]

This thread inspired me to do a little research and I was watching an episode of Frontline called, "The Medicated Child", and they said that the suicide rate jumped after black box warnings were added to some antidepressants.

I'll apologize in advance for my naivety, but that fact startled me and I looked on wikipedia for additional info.

From Wikipedia Entry on Antidepressants
On September 6, 2007, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention reported that the suicide rate in American adolescents, (especially girls, 10 to 24 years old), increased 8% (2003 to 2004), the largest jump in 15 years, to 4,599 suicides in Americans ages 10 to 24 in 2004, from 4,232 in 2003, giving a suicide rate of 7.32 per 100,000 people that age. The rate previously dropped to 6.78 per 100,000 in 2003 from 9.48 per 100,000 in 1990.

Psychiatrists found that the increase is due to the decline in prescriptions of antidepressant drugs like Prozac to young people since 2003, leaving more cases of serious depression untreated. A December 2006 study found that a decrease in antidepressant prescriptions to minors of just a few percentage points coincided with a 14 percent increase in suicides in the United States; in the Netherlands, the suicide rate was 50% up after a fall in antidepressant prescriptions.

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/09/07/health/07suicide.html
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17728420

My apologies again, but: holy shit

. . . It's all about profits of course.

From what I just posted I would disagree. These drugs are immensely important. They're not just improving lives, they're saving them.

 

[Wrigleyvillain]

Oh yeah. Antidepressants can be bad news, many more are on the market than probably should be. It's all about profits of course.

It's a good thing that there are professionals who study these matters scientifically and have actual systematic hard evidence to support their hypotheses.

Nicely done.

 

[Lazzer408]

This thread inspired me to do a little research and I was watching an episode of Frontline called, "The Medicated Child", and they said that the suicide rate jumped after black box warnings were added to some antidepressants.

There are SO many other factors that contribute to youths' issues. For one, kids have no parents. The cost of living keeps going up resulting in both parents have to work so who's raising the kids? Youtube and Adult Swim? Who's teaching them how to deal with problems? Not to mention it's illegal to enforce any form of punishment on a child so kids get away with whatever they want. Maybe teen pregnancy wouldn't be so high if daddy spent a little more time with his daughter instead of playing WoW.

f-it... Just blame Obama.

 

[Widjaja]

There's many areas of what humanity has becomes which is causing growing stress and anxiety fior the younger generation.

Brittany Spears, Lady Gaga, Keisha, stick thin females for models, idiots who believe their lives should play out like an action packed movie script and getting depressed over their normal life.

So in two words Mass Media and stupid society striving to be it.

 

[Thatguy]

I bet you point and laugh at people with Downs Syndrome too. Cretin. Your nick is apt.

No, but I wonder why we allow them to propogate a genetic defect. Granted some mutations although viewed as a negative can be positive over a long time line.

Problem is, the world is a cruel place, get over it.

 

[Lazzer408]

There's many areas of what humanity has becomes which is causing growing stress and anxiety fior the younger generation.

Brittany Spears, Lady Gaga, Keisha,

This thread?

 

[streetfighter 2]

No, but I wonder why we allow them to propogate a genetic defect.

Because eugenics devalues human life and becomes a refuge for bigotry and irrational fear.

Plain and simple.