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You will need aftermarket for 4.0 or watercooling if you can get it over 4.

My goal is to run them up to 4.0 per core, do you have a recommended aftermarket heatsink?

You know, back 3-4 years ago, my friend's Dell computer had one core running at exactly 4.0. I'm not sure how he managed to get his CPU at that speed, it was insane.
 
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I Have an Asus Lion Square that I wont be using much longer once my watercooling and PII get here, I could sell it to you depending on how soon you are building your PC here is a Review: http://www.frostytech.com/articleview.cfm?articleID=2290

I checked it out, and it looks REALLY big. ShadowFold already mentioned how I might have a problem with the size of certain parts. Other than that, it looks like a fine heatsink; I will consider.
 
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I checked it out, and it looks REALLY big. ShadowFold already mentioned how I might have a problem with the size of certain parts. Other than that, it looks like a fine heatsink; I will consider.

It is big..are you getting a mid tower?
 

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It is big..are you getting a mid tower?

I really don't know what size I want my case to be, I just want the case to be able to hold all my hardware, which would probably be mid to full tower.

I'm actually hoping that Wile E could pick out a good case for me, he was in the midst of it but probably had to head to bed. Of course there are pros and cons to every case, and it's not that I'm lazy to read the reviews because I've read many, but I want an experienced person to pick it out for me. I'm mainly taking in the experience of building a computer, I'll learn about everything else in the near future.

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Your AMD build will probably be your better bet, since they're a current gen quad and OC to around 3.6Ghz on stock cooling. (you could probably hit 4Ghz once you really get the hang of what you're doing)
And hey! It'll save you about $25 to boot, you'll be able to spend that on a faster gfx card!

In either hand though I wouldn't get that ram. It will probably overclock to 1066mhz, but you're probably best off getting ram that runs that speed natively, and to be quite honest if you get that quad it will bottleneck the CPU if you don't OC the ram. I'd say you're best off getting PC8500.
 

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Your AMD build will probably be your better bet, since they're a current gen quad and OC to around 3.6Ghz on stock cooling. (you could probably hit 4Ghz once you really get the hang of what you're doing)
And hey! It'll save you about $25 to boot, you'll be able to spend that on a faster gfx card!

In either hand though I wouldn't get that ram. It will probably overclock to 1066mhz, but you're probably best off getting ram that runs that speed natively, and to be quite honest if you get that quad it will bottleneck the CPU if you don't OC the ram. I'd say you're best off getting PC8500.

Could you link me to an affordable PC8500 RAM? I'm still trying to keep up with your computer talk! :banghead:
 
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Bah ocing doesnt hurt anythign...*wafts smoke away from case* WHAT!!!! hahahahaha, its all apart of the fun bro.
 

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change the title to looking to build a pc not a freaking cpu. it's annoying

Mind telling me how I can do that?

Bah ocing doesnt hurt anythign...*wafts smoke away from case* WHAT!!!! hahahahaha, its all apart of the fun bro.
I know what you're talking about! I'm so looking forward to OCing this baby when I put it together.

As for my case, I've narrowed it down to these two:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811119047 [Has air duct, but NO WINDOW!!!]
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811119077 [See through window, but no side air duct.]
Do the side ducts really matter? Like, will it make a huge difference? (At least more than 5C?)

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All you have to do is go and edit your first post then click "Go Advanced", then you can edit the title from there.

It doesn't show outside of the thread, you'll only see the edited title in the first post, and every other post INSIDE the thread itself. I've already PMed a moderator.
 
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DarkEgo, I noticed you replaced the PSU & RAM. (The small LCD doesn't appeal to me as much.)
The GPU is a different brand. How does MSI/Sapphire/HSI compare to one another?
In overall performance, which build would yield better results? (PreOCed and OCed)

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Windows are REAL easy to make. Go to your local hardware store, buy a like size of plexi. Cut hole in side panel, drill holes in side and plexi, attach plexi.

Spit shine, and polish.
 

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Windows are REAL easy to make. Go to your local hardware store, buy a like size of plexi. Cut hole in side panel, drill holes in side and plexi, attach plexi.

Spit shine, and polish.

I should just screw the case and carefully hold up my hardware with toothpicks! :p
I want my case nice and neat, so I'd like the window to have perfectly straight edges and 90 degree angles.
The main question is though, will the side air duct and side air vent make THAT much of a difference?
 
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I should just screw the case and carefully hold up my hardware with toothpicks! :p
I want my case nice and neat, so I'd like the window to have perfectly straight edges and 90 degree angles.

Ah, well... I suppose you haven't been digging through our modding forums, eh? :toast:

Don't worry, we generally avoid using toothpicks.

Bad Boys of Case Modding Clubhouse
Tons of pages there. Just pick a random one and you'll probably see something pretty cool.


A couple examples below too. :D

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change the title to looking to build a pc not a freaking cpu. it's annoying

Your annoying, don't post unless you have something positive or a helpful post towards his first time building a pc. Thank you.
 

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Ah, well... I suppose you haven't been digging through our modding forums, eh? :toast:

Don't worry, we generally avoid using toothpicks.
Bad Boys of Case Modding Clubhouse
Tons of pages there. Just pick a random one and you'll probably see something pretty cool.
A couple examples below too. :D
vvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvv

Hey thanks! I checked out your signature before already, and I like your style! ;) I might buy the CoolerMaster with the side window and drill some holes in the window myself!

Your annoying, don't post unless you have something positive or a helpful post towards his first time building a pc. Thank you.

Thanks RevengE! I PMed 2 moderators and lucky one of them changed the title for me. I was feeling quite guilty for attracting all this attention because of my false title. Glad it's fixed now!

Also seeking a quiet DVD drive, and a reliable card reader.

Wall of text moved to lastest post.

Do the side ducts & side vents really matter? Like, will it make a huge difference if I plan on OCing to 4GHz on air? Hope I can get my two builds done within the next 3 days, then pick either the Intel or AMD, THEN I ORDER!

Edit: Wow, I just felt like I needed to add something. I CAN'T believe how many views and replies this thread has gotten in a measly 2 days. I've learned so much just from reading each and every post. (I read and reread every post made in this thread, so know that your efforts were not in vain.) To think I thought I knew almost everything I needed to know in custom rigs and was so siked to build one on the spot... HA! Learn something new every day eh! I'm so close to finishing, and so excited at the same time.
This will be my first custom built computer, and I'm going to love every moment of building it. (Unless I do something stupid like crack my GPU in half, then I'll never build computers again.)
 
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The Phenom most likely will not clock to 4GHz on safe voltages. 3.6-3.8 is the norm. After a certain voltage the amount of cooling you have means nothing. Excess voltage, even in conditions where the cpu never gets hot, will also kill the chip. It's called electron migration. Basically, voltage "leaks" from the CPU's transistors, eventually breaking down the insulators between them. Once the insulators break down, the chip becomes unstable. But, with OCing, nothing is guaranteed. It's not even a guaranty the PII can hit 3.6.

The amount of voltages I've seen every Phenom II take to get to 4GHz or more is much too high to be safe on a 45nm chip. It would only be useful for shorts stints for benchmarking, not for 24/7 use.

The Q9550's clock to those speeds on much lower, and therefore safer, voltages. The crappier chips can usually get to 4Ghz on 1.4V. Newer steppings require even less. Perfectly safe for Yorkfield. The downside is, you need a board that will hit 470 fsb with a quad. P45 boards usually do this, but again, just like any OCing, nothing is guaranteed.

If 4GHz is something you must absolutely achieve for 24/7 use, the Intel has much better odds. (But again, I must stress, no overclcoking is guaranteed) If you are willing to settle for 3.6 - 3.8 for 24/7 use, the odds are about even for both chip.

As far as your case choices, the side vent doesn't matter. A fan most likely won't fit there with the cpu's heatsink anyway.
 

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Well, okay so I'll go for the case with a window! I'd have to move my monitor to the right of my desk though; it's on the left right now as it has been for years. (Moving it allows me to see the window and all the components.)

I honestly want to have all 4 cores running @ 4GHz, it will be either 3.5 or 4 because my slight OCD won't allow anything else. (Maybe 3.5/3.75/4.0) I'll be needing a LOT of help OCing though, and I mean a LOT. The PII could've been much easier, because I can just raise the CPU multiplier to reach a total of 4GHz.

You mentioned that I'll need a board that can hit 470 fsb running a quad core, are there better boards that can do this? Or is the one you listed *usually* good enough. I also would love to have a decent stick of memory to OC. I've looked at PC2 8500 1066MHz sticks on Newegg, like every single one, and most are around $40-60, some coming with rebates. (I honestly doubt the rebates will pay off though, seems like a lot of people have been having issues with Newegg rebates.)
I just need 2 sticks that aren't too large and have good heat spreaders. (I've seen an OCZ that comes with a memory cooler for $41!)

Appreciate the help Wile! And now I'll proceed to browse other sections of this forum to see what else I can learn.)

Back2Edit: I'm also planning on OCing my GPU, along with my CPU and RAM. How well does my MSI HD 4870 1GB OC?

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Card Reader - 
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Most 4970's clock to about the same levels. They aren't super clockers on stock voltages.

And, after speaking to you in PM, I say you wait it out a month or 2.
 
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