Microsoft to make Windows 10 updates mandatory

[dorsetknob]

Microsoft has the same do-no-harm policy as other technology companies. If they deliberately do something to piss users off, their popularity as a software manufacturer will plummet so they don't or fix it if enough complain, as noted.

Ha Ha Ha
"Just like Google then" and their "Do no Evil Blurb"
Except they do not care about the end user
they think they are Big Enough to ride out the bad publicity storm
Goverment will be Behind this as it makes it easer to 5eye everyone

Lets Wait and see what the Reaction will be coming from the International Market

IS OR WILL

China Russia the E U and the other significant markets for Microsoft prepared to accept this

if you thought the anti trust actions regarding IE windows media player ect were bad for Microsoft then buy your pop corn and root beer now because the Shit storm will be Hurricane in size.

Yes this will be seen in places like France and Germany China Russia as further under the Table Espionage By America

NSA / FBI 5eyes Back doors All authorized and Pushed on to the world by the American Government WITH THE COHERSION of Microsoft.

NSA chickens coming home to roost (cook pot) thats what comes to mind

Windows 10 with free KY jelly (Because we are going to screw you)

 

[P4-630]

Microsoft confirms plans to sell Windows 10 on USB drives, opens preorders on Amazon

http://venturebeat.com/2015/07/16/m...-10-on-usb-drives-opens-pre-orders-on-amazon/

 

[Ahhzz]

:Updates. The software periodically checks for system and app updates, and downloads and installs them for you. You may obtain updates only from Microsoft or authorized sources, and Microsoft may need to update your system to provide you with those updates. By accepting this agreement, you agree to receive these types of automatic updates without any additional notice.:

Just not liking that at all.

 

[dorsetknob]

You may obtain updates only from Microsoft or authorized sources

That Could or will be the Us Government the FBI the NSA the CIA none of whom will tell you they are doing that
If Questioned they will throw the Pateriot Act at you and then put you on a flight to Butlins in Cuba

"" Its A Security update and your a security risk because you asked enjoy your camp gitmo holiday""

 

[rtwjunkie]

:Updates. The software periodically checks for system and app updates, and downloads and installs them for you. You may obtain updates only from Microsoft or authorized sources, and Microsoft may need to update your system to provide you with those updates. By accepting this agreement, you agree to receive these types of automatic updates without any additional notice.:

Just not liking that at all.

Confirming my original plan to wait for 364 days before deciding to accept the free upgrade or not. I want to see how all of the unknowns and special circumstances I have heard so much about actually pan out. Won't be any real DX12 games in that year anyway.

 

[R-T-B]

That Could or will be the Us Government the FBI the NSA the CIA none of whom will tell you they are doing that
If Questioned they will throw the Pateriot Act at you and then put you on a flight to Butlins in Cuba

"" Its A Security update and your a security risk because you asked enjoy your camp gitmo holiday""

Am I the only one finding that just a tad bit paranoid, as well as a fair bit off topic?

 

[rtwjunkie]

Am I the only one finding that just a tad bit paranoid, as well as a fair bit off topic?

He was just being facetious and humorous. Remember all the news about the NSA building back door's into computers and hard drives, that's why it's humorous. It's also not unlikely that they would come in through updates. Not that far-fetched at all.

 

[R-T-B]

He was just being facetious and humorous. Remember all the news about the NSA building back door's into computers and hard drives, that's why it's humorous. It's also not unlikely that they would come in through updates. Not that far-fetched at all.

I don't know if I even buy the paranoia about HDs firmware. It came from a Russian group and the supposed coming "detection tool" is still MIA.

I do find it humorous that people find the government incompetent in almost all things, but somehow figure they have top notch spies and are great at that.

Maybe I'm overly skeptical. Maybe not. I do think the reaction to what the NSA has supposedly done far exceeds anything they are actually able to do, legally, logistcally, and maybe even competently.

 

[rtwjunkie]

I don't know if I even buy the paranoia about HDs firmware. It came from a Russian group and the supposed coming "detection tool" is still MIA.

I do find it humorous that people find the government incompetent in almost all things, but somehow figure they have top notch spies and are great at that.

Maybe I'm overly skeptical. Maybe not. I do think the reaction to what the NSA has supposedly done far exceeds anything they are actually able to do, legally, logistcally, and maybe even competently.

Well, the Russian "group" was the highly-respected Kaspersky.

Let me just tell you because it's something I know...most paranoia about the U.S. Government spies and law enforcement capabilities is UNDERrated and reported. So yeah, it pays to be careful what you say and write and text, etc. And that's not paranoia.

 

[R-T-B]

Well, the Russian "group" was the highly-respected Kaspersky.

Let me just tell you from the aspect of someone who does know...most paranoia about the U.S. Government spies and law enforcement capabilities is UNDERrated and reported. So yeah, it pays to be careful what you say and write and text, etc. And that's not paranoia.

I'm the kind of guy who believes if that were true, I'd be in jail long ago...

But we can agree to disagree on the scope. Bottom line is it's bad, whether fictitious or real.

PS: Counter-conspiracy: Kaspersky may be respected, but would you put it beyond Russia to use them as a mouthpiece?

 

[dorsetknob]

He was just being facetious and humorous. Remember all the news about the NSA building back door's into computers and hard drives, that's why it's humorous. It's also not unlikely that they would come in through updates. Not that far-fetched at all.

Let me just tell you because it's something I know...most paranoia about the U.S. Government spies and law enforcement capabilities is UNDERrated and reported. So yeah, it pays to be careful what you say and write and text, etc. And that's not paranoia

where was that Press Release by Obunnyman saying CATEGORICALLY WE DO NOT SPY ON OUR ALLIES ONLY FOR DAYS /WEEKS LATER it slips out that frau Hiller the EU reichstag leader was phone tapped by the USA as was the froggy commie pres

Good Old (well look at all the grey hair ) Pres bunnyman was on his knees grovling to explain NOT APOLIGISE for his STAZI actions

Wuck me they EVEN BUGGED CONCORD FOR industral esponage

PARANOID no because i know they are watching and listing to us ALL

they tell us they are watching us they tell us they are listing to us they read our snail mail ( Homeland Security Sir or you got something to hide sir).
If all this has escaped your notice.......may i suggest you get your head out of that Ostrich's ASS. ( may be illegal in some States and jurisdictions please check with your local law enforcement officer )

 

[Mussels]

As someone who fought with these in the insider edition and was quite shocked to find its sticking around, my feedback:

I have 6Mb DSL.

Windows updates are not "a few megabytes" in windows 10, as it often includes video card drivers, and in the case of the insider edition - rather large patches. Look at windows 7/8 to see that a fresh install can be a few gigabytes now.
The new update system includes peer-to-peer, INCLUDING uploading to other users by default. This makes it the network equivalent of torrents.

Windows updating on one machine in my house spammed my network so hard i had pings of ~600 to my ISP, and we could not use it for basic tasks until the updates had finished. They hammered the connection so hard it caused the updates themselves to download far slower than they should have (disabling the P2P options helped a little, but did not resolve it completely. It took almost 3 hours to download. (while RTM will not have updates this large anytime soon, it WILL over months and years of it being available)

You can completely disable updates, or block them via setting your connection as metered - but you cannot choose WHICH updates to install.

The major problem i see is drivers - i've got some wifi adaptors here that do not behave well on microsoft drivers, and require third party. Windows update forcibly installs what it sees as newer drivers without giving you a choice, including for video card drivers now. I guess 'roll back your drivers' and 'try an older driver' will no longer be recommended on the forums any longer.

 

[rtwjunkie]

Yeah, the whole driver thing has me concerned, since newer doesn't always mean better (NVIDIA, anyone), and like you, I've got some other parts which work better on the most up to date versions from the motherboard manufacturer.

Also, I've got 2 updates from over a year ago that still cause lockups if I install them with 8.1, so I don't. Imagine that kind of trouble without a choice in the matter!

 

[RejZoR]

I'm currently on Windows 10 and the Windows Update is fucking retarded. I'm a power user and I have ABSOLUTELY NO control over it's behavior. Can't even select notify but let me decide when to install like in Windows 8.1. Nope. Treat me like a fucking noob. WTF Microsoft!?

 

[Jborg]

 

[MrGenius]

Just in case anybody gets any bright ideas. There's no difference between the Pro and Enterprise editions in regards to this topic. With the W10 Insider/Tech Preview anyways. So far as I can tell that is. I'm new to Enterprise though. So maybe I just don't know how to work it yet. I'm doubtful that's the case however. Making ALL Insiders test ALL the updates, as soon as they're made available, makes sense. If you think about it. That's part of the job. Paid in full by getting to use the OS for free.

 

[AsRock]

HAHAHA.

 

[Toothless]

Well maybe I don't wanna restart my computer when I'm watching good porn like baking GPUs, or playing Rock Simulator.

 

[fullinfusion]

Hmm, well this sucks imo. What about beta gpu drivers?

Is W10 going to say fuck you Brad, and re-install the gpu driver windows wants me to run?

If so then they can go F them self and I'll stick to W7 till death

 

[Aquinus]

I have no problem with it if I can tell it when to update. If I'm sleeping, I really don't care if it install updates. Generally, updates (in particular, security patches,) tend to be a good thing. Any concerns I would have such as metered internet, schedule, type of updates, seem to be addressed. Most of the time at night I click "Shutdown and install updates" anyways, so I'm not sure how this would really change how I already do things. Being paranoid all the time will only ruin a perfectly good day. Also honestly, working in education, I know a lot of people who would be 10x better off having compulsive updates. I guess I just see where the good could come out of this. My only qualm is that it isn't a "default opt-in with an option to opt out or ability to adjust the maximum number of days to go without updating (while still having an upper bound.)

In reality, I think being able to control the schedule and being able to keep it flexible is important.

Hmm, well this sucks imo. What about beta gpu drivers?

Is W10 going to say fuck you Brad, and re-install the gpu driver windows wants me to run?

If so then they can go F them self and I'll stick to W7 till death

Critical updates and security patches. That's not drivers so you can calm down.

 

[CAPSLOCKSTUCK]

I only have good things to say about Windows,

just in case

 

[dorsetknob]

I only have good things to say about Windows,

Windows yn y Gymraeg yn tyllau yn y wal

 

[CAPSLOCKSTUCK]

Sorry if this is slightly off topic



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[Ahhzz]

"Customers who are embracing Current Branch for Business do need to consume that feature update within the allotted time period of approximately eight months or they will not be able to see and consume the next security update," ...

Emphasis mine. I'm good with that.

 

[ChevyOwner]

"Customers who are embracing Current Branch for Business do need to consume that feature update within the allotted time period of approximately eight months or they will not be able to see and consume the next security update," ...

Emphasis mine. I'm good with that.

What about end users, and not businesses?