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[Mini-Review] eVGA GTX460 1GB EE vs. eVGA GTX470

Discussion in 'NVIDIA' started by newtekie1, Sep 14, 2010.

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    newtekie1 Semi-Retired Folder

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    Well I was asked to compare these cards, and I have. This will mainly be a review of the GTX460 EE, so lets look at that.

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    I'll talk a little about some interesting things about the card before I go into the performance comparision between the GTX460 and GTX470.

    The first thing that struck me the moment I openned the package was the size of the card. For such a powerful card I was shocked at how short it was. It is hard to pick up on this from the reviews and pictures. The GTX460 is a good inch shorter than the GTX470. I took a shot of the GTX460 next to the GTX470 and a 9600GT LP to give an idea of the size:

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    Now, about the cooler. It actually gives a very good impression of quality. The shroud is not just a standard shroud with a sticker stuck on it. The letters and design are actually silk-screened on the cooler shroud. The eVGA symbol is actually inlayed into plastic with another chrome/silver type plastic. It is very nice, the only down side which you can see in my picture is that it is a finger print magnet. Even though it is a matte finish, it really shows fingerprints.

    It also uses at least one heatpipe that I can see, however it might be two. I didn't take the cooler off to check, but I will once I recieve the mosfet coolers and I'll update this.

    The cooler does also cool the memory chips on the card, which is a rare thing with the GTX460 cards.

    Also, the fan on the GTX460 was a little confusing when I first started using the card. First of all it is obviously a larger diameter than the fan on the GTX470. However, it is louder than the GTX470 fan, which struck me as odd at first. Then I did a little more looking at the card. When you look at the back of the card it becomes obvious why the fan is louder. The fan is only half the height of the card. So while the fan on the GTX470 is two slot tall, the fan on the GTX460's cooler is only a single slot tall.

    I tried to take a picture of this:

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    You can see how the fan only goes to the top of the PCI-E Power connectors, unlike the GTX470's fan which goes from the top of the cooler all the way to the PCB.

    The good thing about this is that it leaves plenty of room for coolers to be added to the mosfets at the back of the card. In fact the FTW edition of this card has this same cooler and a mosfet cooler already installed, and the PCB has the holes for the mosfet cooler. This makes me believe that eVGA had planned a mosfet cooler all along. Obviously the bad thing is the fan noise.

    Speaking of fan noise, lets talk about that a little more. Leaving the card to it's auto settings, the fan will sit at about 50% under F@H load, which is pretty quiet. At this setting the temperature on the card is right at 70°C. However, I use more agressive fan profiles with my cards because I prefer cooler running cards and don't mind the fan noise. So I set the fan to start at 40%@40°C and ramp up to 100%@80°C. With these setting the fan does become noticeable over the rest of the fans in my case. The fan sits at about 70% but the temperature is around 60°C.

    Now for overclocking the card. I just cut to the chase, I managed to get the GTX460 to 875MHz core speed, which puts the shaders at 1750MHz, and 1000MHz memory. These clocks surpass the FTW edition card's clock speeds.

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    My GTX470 does 815MHz core speed, which puts the shaders at 1630MHz, and the memory does 1000MHz as well.

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    Now lets look at performance!

    Test Setup:
    Core i7 875K@3.6GHz
    8GB Corsair 1600MHz 7-7-7-20-1T
    eVGA P55 FTW 200
    1TB Seagate 7200.12 SATA 3.0Gbps
    Corsair HX800

    3DMark Vantage: All "Performance" Presets used, resolution changed. This is the GPU score only.

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    Unigine Heaven 2.1: Tessellation set to Extreme, Anisotropy set to 16, Anti-Aliasing set to 8x.

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    Devil May Cry 4 Benchmark: All setting maxed out.

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    Batman Arkham Asylum: All setting maxed out, PhysX set to High.

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    Mafia II: All settings maxed out, PhysX set to Medium.

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    Just Cause II: All settings maxed out, CUDA effects enabled, Concrete Jungle map.

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    Conclusion:

    Can the GTX460 compete with the GTX470? Well, yes generally the overclocked GTX460 will surpass the stock GTX470 in performance, which is a great thing considering it is about $100 cheaper. However, once the GTX470 is overclocked it just smokes the GTX460. Also, it seems like heavy DX11 Tessellation titles will likely also favor the GTX470, even at stock, over the overclocked GTX460. So while DX11 isn't really that important right now, in the future if tessellation becomes more prominent, the GTX460 might not be able to keep up even if it is overclocked.

    If I had to pick one card to buy out of the two, I would definitely go with the GTX470 just to make sure I was set for the future. However, I certainly would not be disappointed if I had the GTX460, and the $70 price difference would certainly be something I would consider as well, and would make the GTX460 even sweeter.
     
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    Good job newtekie1. I'm curious what the price/performance is like between the OCed cards.

    I hope they come out with a 460x2 soon
     
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    ur vantage score seems low for the 470 for that overclock. Might be drivers, but I would bet disabling C1E would give you a few hundred points and smooth out the lows a bit.
     
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    Cheers newtekie! I knew you would be thorough but damn, way to impress! :D

    generally this is what I expected from the overclocked 460, but also your 470 clocks like a beast dude. some really good numbers all around.

    also thanks for drawing some direct cooler comparisons, its interesting to see they used a very thin but larger diameter fan, I bet the noise is something like my old single slot 8800GT.

    fantastic job mate :toast:
     
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    good review nice to see both cards oced, so many reviewers out there only oc the cheaper one and then give recomendations as if the more expensive card can't oc lol.

    vantage does seem a touch low as it's getting close to my scores with my card oced. Considering my cpu is well behind yours we shouldn't be in the same ballpark.

    at any rate it doens't really matter as both cards would have the same experience, a touch low or not.
     
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    Yeah too true lol... I hate when reviews do that. They dont stress enough that they are comparing to a STOCK higher end card, and alot of ppl walk away with a misconception.
     
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    is this a mini or a mega review :)
     
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    Well the GTX460 is $245 right now with shipping on newegg, and the GTX470 is $315. However, also note that there is actually a cheaper eVGA GTX460 EE on newegg, however it does not have a lifetime warranty, it has a 2 year instead. I went with the lifetime warranty version for $7 more.

    Anyway, price to performance between the overclocked cards. The overclocked GTX470 is overall 16.3% better than the overclocked GTX460, while it only costs 12.3% more(assuming my math is right).:laugh:

    Remember, those vantage numbers are the GPU Score only, not the overall Vantage score. Vantage will not give you an overall score if you change the resolution(or at least it wouldn't give me a score) so I just went with the GPU scores. That should be good enough to make the comparison I was trying to make.

    And as another comparision a stock GTX480 scores about 18660 on the GPU score alone.

    The overall Vantage scores would be higher if I used that.

    You're welcome, I'll probably add some more shots of the GTX460 and it's PCB when I take the cooler off to put mosfet coolers on.
     
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    Absolutely right, if any parameters are changed whatsoever it will not give you an E/P/H/X score at all, just the GPU and CPU scores where applicable.

    for the purpose of your testing this is perfect however, because all we want to know is how the GPU's compare, a full score would be potentially tainted by the higher CPU score for a GTX470 test given it would score higher on Physx.

    Awaiting that with anticipation! if I buy a 460 I'm looking at either the Gigabyte 1gb model or this EVGA EE card.

    Again mate very thorough, I did not expect this level of service by just asking for a quick comparison of a few benchmarks. You took the time to really explain the differences of the cards too and do a full review, so truely man, mad props.

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    yeah i saw that, after I commented lol.

    so why not use the performance, high, xtreme presets instead of just resolution changes?
     
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    I was originally doing that actually, until I got to the Xtreme presets, and Vantage wouldn't allow me to select it because my monitor doesn't support 1920x1200.:cry: So I just said fuck it and used the performance presets with resolution changes.
     
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    I hope this isn't to far off topic but does anyone know what's next for Nvidia?
     
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    Opps i didn't see a thread had already been started on this...... Waiting the real Fermi
     
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    Saddly at this point, not a whole lot. They still haven't filled out the price points their current generation, they are still missing anything below $140, which is a big market. If we see any new cards, they will probably be there.

    We might see a dual-GTX460 card(probably with all the SPs enabled though making the GTX495 SKU). That will compete with the HD5970 in performance and price probably.
     
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