Msi Geforce 7900gto 512MB - The Luck Of The English!

[Tatty_Two]

Quad sli, is pointless right now, because nvidia's driver team obviously sucks freaking ass and cant get 4 g71 gpu's to scale properly together in sync, your cpu isnt holding you back at high resolutions, it's the glitchy ass drivers.just upgrade to a socket 939 athlon 64 x2, conroe motherboards are overpriced like 200$+ plus the performance over a athlon 64 isnt too great, buying a conroe isnt worth it.[/QUOTE

"your cpu isnt holding you back at high resolutions"

So how do you explain, 2 identical 1900XT's clocked the same in identical systems but the one has a 4000+ @ 2.7Gig, the other has the same CPU @ 3.1Gig, the memory on this one is using a divider to bring its speeds in line with the other and in Fear @ 1600x1200 resolutions the 3.1Gig setup is producing 10FPS more? I'll tell you because the cards are damn good and fast and there is a CPU bottleneck in the 2.7Gig Rig.

 

[trt740]

Tatty you are correct about the gto/gtx in some reviews , but I can post reviews where my x1900xt 256 will match or come within 1 frame of a true 7900gtx 512mb and beat a 7900gto stock. I can also find reviews where a 7900gtx 512 mb will beat my cards big brother a x1900xt 512 mb by 5 frames and vice versa. I think it depends who writting the review if you get my point.

 

[Oliver_FF]

I think that at the end of the day, spending £180 on a card that overclocks VERY well and can even be compared to the mega-expensive cards like the X1900's or fully fledged 7900GTX's is incredible...

At overclockers.co.uk last week they were flogging the 7900GTO for a jaw-dropping £159!

Shake a stick at that

 

[trt740]

The point im making is its like comparing two pieces of cake both made similar with slightly different tastes but both good. If I had to do it again I wouldn't buy a x1900xt 256 mb or a 7900gto 512 mb. I would buy a x1900cf 512 mb for $265.00 shipping included. It is the same price as the 7900gto 512 $159.00 plus 6 dollars shipping and less than a x1900xt 256 which is now $262.00 with 6.00 shipping . In my view that is the best bang for the buck now. Then I would say its the 7900 gto.


here is a link to it http://www.pagecomputers.com/store/...tegory_name=33g33c200s2205&product_id=1005612

 

[Oliver_FF]

Am I reading that wrong, or are you saying that a "x1900cf 512 mb" at 265.00 is the same price as a 7900GTO at £159...?

265 == (159 + 6) ????

did you read the 7900GTO as 259?

 

[i_am_mustang_man]

processor speed is holding you back from 11,000 , you would atleast need that 3200+ @ 2.8/2.9 ghz to hit 11,000, i know i hit 11100 with x1800xt 512 mb @ 750/1800 3800+ venice @ 2.88 ghz.

screw 3DMARK05 AND 06, what do you score in f.e.a.r 1600x1200 x4 aa x16 af max benchmark? stock @ 700/1600 i hit 30 fps minimum 48 fps average.

ya, proccy, tell me about it! i want to either jump up to a 4400+ toledo x2, but i think i'll just use a 3800+ for the time being and oc that to 3ghz. that's my plan anyways (250x12 keeps my mem at 250 also )

i will run that benchie tonight, cuz i should actually have time!

nice scores tho! i'm excited to bench fear esp cuz i just got some new ram

 

[i_am_mustang_man]

Nice Mustang. Do you notice a huge difference between that and your GTO2 in real games? DO you max out more settings in games?

ya, i really do notice a big difference, esp in oblivion. the game looks downright gorgeous, esp in forested areas. hdr makes a huge diff, as does the added power so i can run @ 16x12
i run 16x12 with just about everything maxed (i didn't have actor retention or object retention maxed, and no self shadows or shadows on grass. max grass, trees, view, water, everything, and i got ~30fps min in crazy wooded areas. i didn't know it would pull that, but it was sick looking like whoa!

 

[i_am_mustang_man]

i think one thing that people are forgettings about the x1800 and 7900gto is the price paid - i paid ~260, how much did you shell out for your x1800? lol

the x1900xt 256 and the gto are, however in direct competition, and i love seeing all the different results people get with either card.

one thing i am looking forward to is doing the step up program evga offers, so i will get a g80 when it comes out. the gto is to bide my time, and a down payment, if you will

 

[Tatty_Two]

Tatty you are correct about the gto/gtx in some reviews , but I can post reviews where my x1900xt 256 will match or come within 1 frame of a true 7900gtx 512mb and beat a 7900gto stock. I can also find reviews where a 7900gtx 512 mb will beat my cards big brother a x1900xt 512 mb by 5 frames and vice versa. I think it depends who writting the review if you get my point.

I agree with you totally, however the point I was making is that the 1800XT does not own.

 

[HeavyH20]

Well, I personally had a 6800GT, 6800 U, X850XTPE, 7800GTX, 7800 GTX 512, X1800 XT 512, X1800 XT 256, X1900 XTX, 7900 GTX, 7900 GTX SC, 7905GX2 and now a 7900 GTO as an interim card until the G80 is released. I have used, benched and abused each of them, and I think people tend to create differences that do not exist.

The ATI cards now do AA and HDR at the same time with a recent fix, while NVIDIA cannot. The interesting thing is that NVIDIA made the decision ahead of time not to support that since it was not needed. Their direction was pointing away from driver driven optimizations and more toward software based driver selections since those could be better tuned by the developer. So, the days of turning on 4x A and 16X AF in the driver are numbered.

 

[Alec§taar]

Well, I personally had a 6800GT, 6800 U, X850XTPE, 7800GTX, 7800 GTX 512, X1800 XT 512, X1800 XT 256, X1900 XTX, 7900 GTX, 7900 GTX SC, 7905GX2 and now a 7900 GTO as an interim card until the G80 is released.

Sent you a "PM", regarding an OpenGL screensaver I did, to see how it runs on that "BAD A$$" Quad-SLI setup you have (NVidia 7950 GX² iirc)!

I saw your machine in the case gallery iirc, & it "stood out" because of that Dual/Quad SLI setup...

Just as an experiment: Check your "PM's" man... if you get a chance. No biggie if you do not, I am just curious on how it would run on such an arrangement is all...

APK

P.S.=> You are the only person I addressed directly on this account, because the screenies multithread design & you have multiple CPU cores & multiple GPU's @ work there, AND the fact your nick/handle here on the forums is "Heavy Water"...

Thus, lol, Hydrogen Atoms OUGHT to appeal to YOU, especially w/ you having the forums name/nick/handle you use!

(& it is an OpenGL representation of that atomic element & its electron orbital, + "probability shields" also)... apk

 

[Tatty_Two]

I think that at the end of the day, spending £180 on a card that overclocks VERY well and can even be compared to the mega-expensive cards like the X1900's or fully fledged 7900GTX's is incredible...

At overclockers.co.uk last week they were flogging the 7900GTO for a jaw-dropping £159!

Shake a stick at that

And i paid even less than that, £152 to be precise

 

[Oliver_FF]

A bargain by anyones standards

 

[Tatty_Two]

But again I reiterate, this thread was never about the merits of ATi versus NVidia or whether the 7900GTO is better than the 1900XT 256MB, I recall giving advice that if I had the 1900XT I would not change it for a 7900GTO! the thread is about the merits and performance of the 7900GTO as a new card and where it sits as "value for money".

So anyways getting back to performance tweaks for the GTO..................................

 

[i_am_mustang_man]

So anyways getting back to performance tweaks for the GTO..................................

ya... any results on oc after the card settles in? anybody try as5 yet? i think i'm going to do that, and maybe up voltage, if i can do that w/o bios flash ( i def don't want to void the step up program)

 

[Oliver_FF]

I've maxed my memory using Coolbits - the memory slider is all the way to the right - i doubt it'd go much further anyway.

 

[x1800xtpeown]

I agree with you totally, however the point I was making is that the 1800XT does not own.

lol, no the x1800xt doesnt own @ 625/1500, it owns at 700/1600 almost x1900xt performance .

 

[x1800xtpeown]

i think one thing that people are forgettings about the x1800 and 7900gto is the price paid - i paid ~260, how much did you shell out for your x1800? lol

the x1900xt 256 and the gto are, however in direct competition, and i love seeing all the different results people get with either card.

one thing i am looking forward to is doing the step up program evga offers, so i will get a g80 when it comes out. the gto is to bide my time, and a down payment, if you will

i paid 600$ in october 2005 basically, well not really, in 2004, i bought a 6800 gt from compusa, for 399$ and i got a plan to trade up the card put all 400$ i spent on 6800 gt towards newer card, like in 2005 i traded in my 6800 GT for x1800xt and paid 200$ difference, not bad got to use 6800 GT for a year for 400$ owell lol and paid 200$ difference.

 

[Oliver_FF]

It seems that my scores in 3DMark 05/06 are being severely limited by my FSB

What kind of scores are other people getting in 05/06 with the 7900GTO?

 

[trt740]

Also im sorry, being from the USA im not familiar with the exchange rate in Great Britain. What I was saying is there is a x1900cf 512 mb edition for $265 dollars here with shipping included the cheapest 7900gtos are going for the same price here and believe it or not the x1900xt 256 is going for more money $168.00 Dollars with shipping, The cf at that price is better than the gto .

 

[Tatty_Two]

I've maxed my memory using Coolbits - the memory slider is all the way to the right - i doubt it'd go much further anyway.

Use RivaTuner, it will take your memory further, my coolbits maxes at 800Mhz but I am stable on RivaTuner at 820.

 

[Tatty_Two]

It seems that my scores in 3DMark 05/06 are being severely limited by my FSB

What kind of scores are other people getting in 05/06 with the 7900GTO?

have hit 12000 but have only evidenced to 11800 and something, when I get time to take my 1800 (prob this weekend) out I am going for the 12000 and link it to futuremark.

 

[Tatty_Two]

Also im sorry, being from the USA im not familiar with the exchange rate in Great Britain. What I was saying is there is a x1900cf 512 mb edition for $265 dollars here with shipping included the cheapest 7900gtos are going for the same price here and believe it or not the x1900xt 256 is going for more money $168.00 Dollars with shipping, The cf at that price is better than the gto .

thats a lot of card for the money and its probably so reasonable because NVidia have recently brought out the 7950----7900GS-----7900GTO, see competition is good, we cant live without the one cause the others prices would be far to high!

 

[Tatty_Two]

ya... any results on oc after the card settles in? anybody try as5 yet? i think i'm going to do that, and maybe up voltage, if i can do that w/o bios flash ( i def don't want to void the step up program)

I have been doing a bit of reaserch on the voltage, there is no way that you can do anything unless you do a hardmod, flashing or BIOS editing does not do sh*t because as the board is it aint physically possible to push more power thru. After my experiences with my old 7900GT I am not going down that road, it worked a treat at first, I had it professionally soldered and then one day, whilst playing "Rome Total War" bang,,,,fry....groan....cry....warranty return with some fast talking and bluff and a cleanup job on the PCB to get rid of the mod trace and money back and an 1800XT!

I am happy with 710/820 rock stable and around 12000ish (maybe slightly less) 3D Mark 2005 points, I'm not a greedy boy!

 

[x1800xtpeown]

I have been doing a bit of reaserch on the voltage, there is no way that you can do anything unless you do a hardmod, flashing or BIOS editing does not do sh*t because as the board is it aint physically possible to push more power thru. After my experiences with my old 7900GT I am not going down that road, it worked a treat at first, I had it professionally soldered and then one day, whilst playing "Rome Total War" bang,,,,fry....groan....cry....warranty return with some fast talking and bluff and a cleanup job on the PCB to get rid of the mod trace and money back and an 1800XT!

I am happy with 710/820 rock stable and around 12000ish (maybe slightly less) 3D Mark 2005 points, I'm not a greedy boy!

7900 GTo/gtx are good cards, but i bet you if you flashed your x1800xt 512 mb with pe bios 700/1600 and tested both framerates in call of duty 2 oblivion serious sam 2 battlefield 2, the x1800xtpe would pull higher framerates.

What do you score in f.e.a.r 1600x1200 x4 aa x16 af stress test? whats the minimum fps? and average?