Need Answer ASAP: 3870X2 or 9800GX2

spearman914 · May 3, 2008

Low Price/Decent Perfomrance = 3870X2
Medium High Price/Excellent Performance = 9800 GX2

Azazel · May 3, 2008

spearman914 said:
Low Price/Decent Perfomrance = 3870X2
Medium High Price/Excellent Performance = 9800 GX2

3870x2 has excellent performance

spearman914 · May 3, 2008

Azazel said:
3870x2 has excellent performance

It does but not as 9800 GX2. If the 3870X2 was excellent then I should call 9800GX2 the excellent of excellence. LOL

EDIT: And now the 3870X2 still pwns the 9800GX2 because of the bad drivers. Hopefully nvidia will make some kick ass drivers in near future.

Azazel · May 3, 2008

spearman914 said:
It does but not as 9800 GX2. If the 3870X2 was excellent then I should call 9800GX2 the excellent of excellence. LOL

its one of the best gpu you can get.

the gx2 may be faster but its $200 more. which is not worth it for the small boost in performance.

spearman914 · May 3, 2008

Azazel said:
its one of the best gpu you can get.

the gx2 may be faster but its $200 more. which is not worth it for the small boost in performance.

Yea but I'm not talking about the price. You just kinda like switch the performance topic to a price topic. The 9800 GX2 may be not worth for the price boost but it is better then X2.

imperialreign · May 3, 2008

spearman914 said:
Yea but I'm not talking about the price. You just kinda like switch the performance topic to a price topic. The 9800 GX2 may be not worth for the price boost but it is better then X2.

not by that big of a margin - except in some games, like Crysis, where it still tends to dominate cause all ATI cards run like butt with Crysis.

I'll state it again, overall the GX2 is faster, but not by a big margin. Coupled with the poor drivers and issues people have had, the 3870x2 tops out, IMO. Fast ain't crap when it don't want to run, know what I mean.

And then there's the price . . .

Anyhow, @ OP -> if possible, I'd recommend holding out for more concrete specs on the HD4000 series. If they are they way they're looking ATM, they'll be worth the money. Plus, they'll kick the cost of the HD3000 series down; so if you still felt like going with a 3870x2, it'd be cheaper than it is now.

Otherwise, Palit_Guy's on the money if you're looking for all out performance, keep the 2 8800's for the time being. Unless you're trying to get away from thermo-nuclear heat, in which case, the GX2 won't fare much better than your current setup. But, I'm by no means saying the 70x2 runs cool - it's rather warm itself . . . just not capable of producing it's own solar flares like the GX2 can.

philbrown23 · May 3, 2008

the reason the GX2 runs worse on intel scipsets is because it's 2 physical gpu's ran in sli so basically everyone knows sli is no go in intel chipsets.

das müffin mann · May 3, 2008

are you just doing a straight trade? if so i would go for the gx2, but if you have to use some of your money i would just go for the x2, atm the x2 isn't to far behind the gx2 performance wise and the drivers seem to be better, im not 100% because i've never used the gx2---also the gx2 has been having compatibility issues so for that reason coupled with the price to performance ration i would have to go with the x2

i think my vote goes for the 3870x2

mrw1986 · May 3, 2008

imperialreign said:
Otherwise, Palit_Guy's on the money if you're looking for all out performance, keep the 2 8800's for the time being. Unless you're trying to get away from thermo-nuclear heat, in which case, the GX2 won't fare much better than your current setup. But, I'm by no means saying the 70x2 runs cool - it's rather warm itself . . . just not capable of producing it's own solar flares like the GX2 can.

I run a Maximus Formula which does not support SLI. I was previously running an EVGA 780i. I don't know what kind of heat you're talking about with the 8800GT's. Mine never went over 60C while gaming, including Crysis in DX10 at 1680x1050 all settings Very High.

Edit: Decided on the 3870X2, I'm gonna TriFire with a 3870 probably.

Darknova · May 3, 2008

Straight trade - GX2

IF not, X2 all the way.

Oh, and all the people talking about Crysis running like shit on ATi are sadly mistaken. 1680x1050 all high, ~35fps through out. Why? No AA.

And the reason AA kills ATi cards, is because the AA quality on ATi is better. 2x AA on ATi, is rouqhly equal to 4x AA, or 8xQaa, and yes, I've tested it myself with a friend who has both an 8800GT and a X1900 series.

mrw1986 · May 3, 2008

Well...considering I don't really notice ANY difference in IQ anymore on modern cards that is of no concern to me. I do run ALL my games on the highest settings possible MINUS AA/AF because they really don't do much for me at 1680x1050 on a 20" LCD.

hat · May 3, 2008

Shoulda made it a poll.
A lot of people have problems with the 3870x2 cooler making strange noise etc so go with the GX2. Besides its faster anyway

imperialreign · May 3, 2008

Darknova said:
Straight trade - GX2

IF not, X2 all the way.

Oh, and all the people talking about Crysis running like shit on ATi are sadly mistaken. 1680x1050 all high, ~35fps through out. Why? No AA.

And the reason AA kills ATi cards, is because the AA quality on ATi is better. 2x AA on ATi, is rouqhly equal to 4x AA, or 8xQaa, and yes, I've tested it myself with a friend who has both an 8800GT and a X1900 series.

I agree - to an extent. I'll defi give the fact that ATI cards can keep up with Crysis . . . if you don't run AA/AF. The game, IMHO, is better coded for nVidias in this regard, especially considering that in other titles, ATI cards can keep up quite well once the eye candy is turned on. It's only a select few games where ATI cards fail horribly with AA/AF. You can get even a 1950 PRO to run Crysis decent, but you do have to give up quite a bit of IQ stuffs to do so.

I've always found AA/AF on ATI cards to be better as well, although it's become a bit more negligible once nVidia released the 8800 series. The generation prior, the 1900s stomped the 7900s with IQ, and IQ + performance.

mrw1986 said:
I run a Maximus Formula which does not support SLI. I was previously running an EVGA 780i. I don't know what kind of heat you're talking about with the 8800GT's. Mine never went over 60C while gaming, including Crysis in DX10 at 1680x1050 all settings Very High.

Edit: Decided on the 3870X2, I'm gonna TriFire with a 3870 probably.

perhaps I'm thinking of a different 8800 denomination, then - I had thought the GT's ran fairly hot . . . I'm certain the GTX does; maybe I was thinking GTS.

Damn, I get them all confused, TBH. :eek:

Darren · May 4, 2008

mrw1986 said:
Hey guys,

I have the opportunity to trade my 2x 8800GT's for either a 3870X2 or 9800GX2.

If your only concern is performance the 9800 GX2 is the faster card. I've noticed some people recommending the 3870 X2 based on price although they don't get the concept that you didn't specify a budget and therefore one has to assume that money is no object in which case the 9800GX2 gets my vote.

Azazel said:
hd3870x2 ftw. the price difference between the gx2 is not worth it.

The thread starter is doing an exchange so I doubt he is paying full price for the new card, so why not go for the more expensive and faster 9800 GX2?

Azazel said:
its one of the best gpu you can get.

the gx2 may be faster but its $200 more. which is not worth it for the small boost in performance.

Azazel, dont let your emotions get involved. The thread starter didn't mention a budget so there is no need to consider price. We all know the 3870 X2 has better pricing, but the question is asking about performance and performance only, in which case the 9800 GX2 is the best choice when talking about performance as the thread starter specified.

PS. if the thread starter is doing an exchange go for the MOST expensive card (9800 GX2) that way if you have to sell the card in future you can get a better financial return.

jbunch07 · May 4, 2008

mrw1986 said:
I run a Maximus Formula which does not support SLI. I was previously running an EVGA 780i. I don't know what kind of heat you're talking about with the 8800GT's. Mine never went over 60C while gaming, including Crysis in DX10 at 1680x1050 all settings Very High.

Edit: Decided on the 3870X2, I'm gonna TriFire with a 3870 probably.

thats sounds like agreat idea! that what im doing only the other way around...i have a 3870 now and im waiting to pair it with a 3870 X2 :toast:

that seems to be the best combination atm the it beats 2 X2's in most cases

Azazel · May 4, 2008

Great decision man

Megasty · May 4, 2008

jbunch07 said:
thats sounds like agreat idea! that what im doing only the other way around...i have a 3870 now and im waiting to pair it with a 3870 X2
that seems to be the best combination atm the it beats 2 X2's in most cases

lol, the only game for me so far in which 2 X2s beat the 3870+X2 is Crysis, but not by much - only 3-5 fps depending on the level @ 1680x1050 on high.

But like I said b4, I wouldn't chance the GX2 functioning properly with a maximus. It works fine until I install those drivers & then I enter a graphical nightmare :wtf:

jbunch07 · May 4, 2008

Megasty said:
lol, the only game for me so far in which 2 X2s beat the 3870+X2 is Crysis, but not by much - only 3-5 fps depending on the level @ 1680x1050 on high.

But like I said b4, I wouldn't chance the GX2 functioning properly with a maximus. It works fine until I install those drivers & then I enter a graphical nightmare

yea i believe thats because games these days dont support 4 gpus most of them only support 2 or 3!

but remeber crysis was designed to run tri sli, that was there big marketing thing when tri sli came out they said you would only be able to max out crysis with 3 ultras

eidairaman1 · May 4, 2008

mrw1986 said:
Hey guys,

I have the opportunity to trade my 2x 8800GT's for either a 3870X2 or 9800GX2. I have a Q6600, 2gb DDR2-800, and an Asus Maximus Formula (flashed to Rampage Formula). Which card do you guys think I should take? I realize that the 3870X2 gets higher 3DMarks, but sucks in games compared to the 9800GX2. My other concern is that from what I hear the 9800GX2 doesn't work too well on Intel chipsets...Can anyone confirm/deny this? I need an answer ASAP!

Thanks,
Matt

Stick with what you have for now, when Radeon 4x come around jump on one of those.

Azazel · May 4, 2008

Darren said:
If your only concern is performance the 9800 GX2 is the faster card. I've noticed some people recommending the 3870 X2 based on price although they don't get the concept that you didn't specify a budget and therefore one has to assume that money is no object in which case the 9800GX2 gets my vote.

The thread starter is doing an exchange so I doubt he is paying full price for the new card, so why not go for the more expensive and faster 9800 GX2?

Azazel, dont let your emotions get involved. The thread starter didn't mention a budget so there is no need to consider price. We all know the 3870 X2 has better pricing, but the question is asking about performance and performance only, in which case the 9800 GX2 is the best choice when talking about performance as the thread starter specified.

PS. if the thread starter is doing an exchange go for the MOST expensive card (9800 GX2) that way if you have to sell the card in future you can get a better financial return.

what emotion....he said the 3870x2 has decent performance...which is not true...its excellent

spearman914 · May 4, 2008

Azazel said:
what emotion....he said the 3870x2 has decent performance...which is not true...its excellent

I think your getting the wrong idea. The 3870 X2 "IS" excellent. It is decent when in comparison with 9800 GX2. As I said I can't say the GX2 is the excellent of excellence cuz that would sound wierd.

btarunr · May 4, 2008

Are we forgetting that 9800 GX2 could go EOL in a few months?

Now that it already has erratic drivers, once the product goes EOL, NVidia will wash its hands off the product and leave users in the dark, the way they did with 7950 GX2.

I would pick HD3870 X2 now, though that's a bad long-term choice but good interim choice because the HD4000 series is round the corner....

....as also NVidia's newest GPU architecture though I'd still not recommend a 9900 GX2 if it ever happens.

jbunch07 · May 4, 2008

btarunr said:
Are we forgetting that 9800 GX2 could go EOL in a few months?

Now that it already has erratic drivers, once the product goes EOL, NVidia will wash its hands off the product and leave users in the dark, the way they did with 7950 GX2.

I would pick HD3870 X2 now, though that's a bad long-term choice but good interim choice because the HD4000 series is round the corner....

....as also NVidia's newest GPU architecture though I'd still not recommend a 9900 GX2 if it ever happens.

ahh you are very true...i do remeber news about the 9800GX2 life span being very short...

farlex85 · May 4, 2008

The only reason I would say go for the gx2 is because it could possibly be sold for more once this new series of cards hits, and since your doing a trade either way, that may be the way to go. However, if your looking for something to keep, x2.

Megasty · May 4, 2008

spearman914 said:
I think your getting the wrong idea. The 3870 X2 "IS" excellent. It is decent when in comparison with 9800 GX2. As I said I can't say the GX2 is the excellent of excellence cuz that would sound wierd.

It would sound weird, but for a different reason other than the thing being great. The card hates heat. Game for longer than an hour with it and the thing slugs off like a snail. When I had the X2 on the stock cooler I would push the thing until the fan hit 70-80%. It was loud as hell, but it was still pushing frames.

I tried the same right off the bat with the GX2 & the fan wouldn't keep up with me. I had to use rivatuner to up the fan to 70% so it could handle my abuse. Other than that, its fine but excellence should be idiot-proof IMO. My nephew thought he was being a smartass one day & played Frontlines on my system with the GX2. He doesn't know how OC or anything. But he did manage to play it until the card burned enough to crash the system. He thought I was going to kill him but I let him off because it was the GX2's fault :nutkick:

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