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  1. brandonwh64

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    Your biasing your decisions off of ethical reasons? I though this was a PC enthusiast forum??? BTW AMD has more than likely had their fair share of problems ethically as well.

    Fanboy's talk, Perfomance walks.
     
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    Find me an article on AMD. Outside of Intel suing AMD over the use of MMX in naming one of their processors back in the 90's I have yet to find a single thing.
    "MMX is officially a meaningless initialism trademarked by Intel[citation needed]; unofficially, the initials have been variously explained as standing for MultiMedia eXtension, Multiple Math eXtension, or Matrix Math eXtension.
    AMD, during one of its numerous court battles with Intel, produced marketing material from Intel indicating that MMX stood for "Matrix Math Extensions". Since an initialism cannot be trademarked, this was an attempt to invalidate Intel's trademark.[3] In 1997, Intel filed suit against AMD and Cyrix Corp. for misuse of its trademark MMX. AMD and Intel settled, with AMD acknowledging MMX as a trademark owned by Intel, and with Intel granting AMD rights to use the MMX trademark as a technology name, but not a processor name" - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MMX_(instruction_set)

    And you're saying an individual should throw away moral convictions and choices for pure performer when either processor will do what one needs, and while one is slower by 20%, it also costs 50% less. While I may be an enthusiast, if I have a more ethical choice I will make that choice. If a third manufacturer of x86 had something that could compete with AMD and Intel in gaming, then I would consider them were they ethical. If they had a clean slate I would probably buy only from them until they broke the law.

    Saying that ethics should have no say in what a person buys is why the USA's economy sucks right now and most manufacturing is done in China, where laborers are in near-slave labor states and child labor is common.

    Do you have a problem with people buying ethically and explaining to others the ethical side of purchase choice? In the end it is up to the OP, but I personally buy AMD on an ethical basis. If you have a problem with that, then I'm sorry you don't value morality, but I do.
     
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    Look, I just posted about which CPU performs better, If you want to turn it into a political or ethical battle, Please take this over to http://www.generalnonsense.net/

    I am not going to argue with you.
     
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    I am not intenting to argue, but you stated that;
    "Your biasing your decisions off of ethical reasons? I though this was a PC enthusiast forum??? BTW AMD has more than likely had their fair share of problems ethically as well.

    Fanboy's talk, Perfomance walks."

    Which implies that you say that someone should not make choices based upon morality. That should be up to an individual's choice, however one should know all sides of something before making a decision. If you have a problem with ethical choices, and feel that enthusiasts should only make decisions based on performance alone, I'm sorry but I disagree on you and that I feel each should make decisions based on one's own values as well as performance.

    Thank you and have a nice day. It is up to the OP's opinion, not ours.
     
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    Your right, Let the OP decide on what he wants. My opinion has be expressed on which CPU is fastest. I will leave it at that
     
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    yes it is the OPs opinion, and from what i have read so far, he never asked which CPU is ethically better. He asked whats the best he could get in the 300-350 Pound range.

    Also from the article i linked earlier "For $190, a stock Core i5-2400 gets you more gaming prowess than any AMD CPU can hope to deliver right now, even overclocked."

    All in all there is no argument as to what he should get, if you don't like Intel its your choice, but you have no right to come into a thread and be overbearing with your opinions.
     
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    The FX processor has better price/perfomance without overclocking and can achieve the performance of a stock i5-2500k through overclocking (http://compare-processors.com/amd-fx-4100-vs-core-i5-2400/2517/ The 2500k is clocked somewhat higher, however some FX41xx processors can reach nearly 5ghz and therefore make up the difference in IPC. The difference between the 2400 and fx is ~20%). While the i5 is superior in performance, it also costs twice as much. AM3+ also likely will have a longer upgrade path, should it be of any consequence. ANd you asked also why would he want to get a "crappier PC." Well, ethics might be a reason to the OP, even if he did not explicitly ask about it.

    Once again, thank you and have a nice day, and the end decision is up to the OP.
     
  8. crazyeyesreaper

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    AMD sucks Intel wins fact,

    FX4100 is an utter crap chip feel like pissing away your money buy it

    but only a moron would waste money in a crap economy on an inferior product,

    i3 2100 decimates the FX4100 i5 chip will further slaughter it

    FX4100 marketed as a quadcore but its really a dual core with HT for the AMD theme

    lets face it if an i3 2100 beats an FX 8150 in gaming why would you piss money away on an FX4100, hell save up a few extra $$ grab an i5 2400 and using turbo clocks boost it to 3.8ghz and call it a day.



    http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu/display/amd-fx-8120-6100-4100_6.html#sect0

    FX 4100 is essentially crap its slower then a Phenom II quadcore for christ sake

    Intel i3 2100 pushing 1600-1866mhz memory has the same memory bandwidth as an FX series chip at 1866

    IPC is faster on Intel so many games
    Bad Company 2
    Shogun 2
    Skyrim
    WoW
    etc
     

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    As an AMD fan and FX user I will be glad to say in the $100 to $130 price range you are better off with Intel for your CPU. For the price, their chips such as the 2400 and 2120 are better than their AMD price equivalent in general. If you are not getting at least an FX-8000 series, don't bother. Hopefully the updated Piledriver core will be better clock for clock and on low thread count games.

    And yes in some games that are not CPU limited or run only 1 or 2 threads, you are better off with an AMD APU. But the FX-6000 and up will be better with CPU limited games (RTS and Battlefield 3). While it will lag behind Sandy Bridge in the same price range, it is not enough in most cases to matter.
     
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    I find it funny as the FX-4100 beat the i3 in modern multi-threaded games there. Oh and it has an unlocked multiplier so you can OC it, unlike that i3 which costs $20 more.
    http://compare-processors.com/amd-fx-4100-vs-core-i5-2400/2517/
    oh that FX-4100 is only 20% slower than that i5.
    http://compare-processors.com/amd-fx-4100-vs-core-i3-2120/2446/
    Oh look that FX-4100 is slightly faster than an i3-2120, and the i3 also costs more and doesn't have an unlocked multiplier.
    i3-2120: Intel Core i3-2120 Sandy Bridge 3.3GHz LGA 1155 65... $127
    FX-4100: AMD FX-4100 Zambezi 3.6GHz (3.8GHz Turbo) Socket A... $109
     
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    you are blowing air out of your behind http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/gaming-fx-pentium-apu-benchmark,3120-9.html

    that FX4100 is at 4.5ghz and loses to a Phenom II @ 4ghz most of the time. It still doesn't touch the i5 2400 or the 2500K @4ghz. Repeatedly linking the same website doesn't help your argument either.
     
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    yea dude blow your benchmarks out your ass

    3dmark 06 CPU BENCH isnt a game

    Passmark is just crap
    Super Pi is worthless

    that site is just crap, considering looking up any other review site AND user reports right here say otherwise

    ive built FX series rigs for customers they under perform in the majority of games vs Intel right now

    only exception is the FX 8120 which is damn good value for money
     
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    Care to link to a website which hasn't shown a bias against AMD for years?
    http://www.guru3d.com/article/amd-fx-8150--8120-6100-and-4100-performance-review/10
    http://www.legitreviews.com/article/1766/12/
     
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    you can believe what you want Vulpesveritas but right now an entire community is disagreeing with you

    considering your a newbie here with no system specs with no real posts of merit vs people that actually review hardware for a living, your not really saying much of anything worth value

    regardless 300-350 euro

    2500k + Z68 + decent cooler call it a day, hell could probably grab a 2600k + Z68 for 350 euro

    2600k = $225 euro
    http://www.scan.co.uk/products/inte...-34ghz-hd3000-igp-850mhz-8mb-cache-95w-retail
    Z68 supporting SLI + Crossfire $120
    http://www.scan.co.uk/products/giga...r3-sata-iii-6gb-s-raid-sata-pcie-20-(x16)-atx

    total cost $340
     
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    And I honestly don't care. I've made statements based upon what benchmarks I've seen, speculations made based upon such benchmarks, and by my own moral choices.

    If you don't think that any of them hold any worth, then that's your own opinion.
    Thank you and have a nice day.
     
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    Its at the point where your just trying to troll now....:slap:

    Edit: The OP has wisely bowed out of this crapfest anyways, hes made his decision already
     
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    regardless 300-350 euro

    2500k + Z68 + decent cooler call it a day, hell could probably grab a 2600k + Z68 for 350 euro

    2600k = $225 euro
    http://www.scan.co.uk/products/intel...che-95w-retail
    Z68 supporting SLI + Crossfire $120
    http://www.scan.co.uk/products/gigab...-(x16)-atx
    total cost $340

    2500k = $166 euro
    http://www.scan.co.uk/products/inte...-33ghz-hd3000-igp-850mhz-6mb-cache-95w-retail
    Z68 supporting SLI + Crossfire $120
    http://www.scan.co.uk/products/gigab...-(x16)-atx
    total cost $286

    if you cant afford a 2600k grab the 2500k save a few bucks done deal


    essentially since the OP IS BUYING A 2ND 5870 AKA CROSSFIRE

    only a god damn idiot would buy an FX4100 to push a dual gpu setup lolololol
     
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    Quite honestly I'm 19. I had an old athalon 64 before I moved. My mother kept that. I don't have the money for a rig like most here do. I have a Phenom II X4 laptop, and have been *gasp* only really been able to do schoolwork with it. I don't have extra money to spend. I read constantly online in my free time, trying to learn everything I can about computers, specifically computer hardware. So want my "rig" info? Phenom II X4 N930 with Radeon HD 4250 integrated, 4GB DDR3-1066 in an HP laptop.
    And the only reason I have internet is because my neighbor lets me use his wifi.
    More so I just wish people could quit making such a huge deal out of this. Quite honestly, I tried to give the OP more information, and everyone is raining down on my head saying that morals have no place here. So eh I feel that I am being trolled personally and I try to make counterpoints as effectively as possible. I have a defensive nature.

    But honestly, this is getting far to off topic. Regardless of anything else, Intel has superior single-thread performance and there are few games right now which utilize more than four threads.

    Ethical choices are up to the individual, Intel performs better, AMD prices to be competitive. End of line.
     
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    You honestly have alot more to learn, People you are talking to are not young, they have done IT work for MANY years and have college degrees. Two of the people that post here are REVIEWERS for hardware such as CPU's, GPU's, Motherboards and EXC!

    They know what they are talking about.
     
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    it happens im broke as shit still got a badass rig but it means i had to earn it alot of it with help from this community,

    ethics and morals are good to have but when it comes to getting the most for your $ thats what should matter most when it comes to PC hardware. CPUs AMD might be nicer, but lets face it Foxconn makes stuff for everyone including AMD and Intel their supposedly one of the most evil corporations ever :roll: so take it for what you will.
    ANd when it comes to MULTI-GPU aka SLI and CrossfireX Intel dominates due to better IMC performance and better IPC the OP is going 5870 xfire, hes gonna need CPU performance to get the best out of that setup only Intel will provide that. as even an FX 8150 is only comparible in performance to Intel's Nehalem lineup, with Sandybridge being 15-20% faster W1zzard right here at TPU did a comparison of all 3 architectures with a single GPU and thats what the difference was 10-20%, 8150 at $260 was 10-20% slower then a $200 2500k for price to performance AMD lost, AMD still has its good side aka multi-threaded performance sadly most games are still only 2 threads at best.
    In this kind of community its performance that matters 9 times out of 10
     
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    orite guys thanks again ive always been an intel fan since the use of my i7 920.
    so i will be sticking with them.
    thank you every one for your comments.
     
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    Just wanting to mention ... that Asus board. Get it! Coming from a stock q8200, the only other thing worthwhile would be Sandy bridge in this modern day. If you weren't looking at a multi gpu configuration, then I would say to go this route instead just so you can get that SSD quicker ....

    Asus M5A97 PRO 970 Socket AM3+ 8 Channel HD Audio ...
    AMD Bulldozer FX-6 6200 Black Edition 3.8GHz Socke...
    Corsair Vengeance Performance Memory Module 8gb.. ...

    PAY ATTENTION TO THE CPU, It's the newer stepping
     

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