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imo bump down to gtx460 or 5850.
 

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that board you linked uses a different chipset, so you lose the extra PCI-E lanes of the 890FX

fast ram aint that neccesary, but 1600Mhz stuff will be a help if you're OCing (unless you get a BE chip, in which case multi OC ftw)
 
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If I get the 1090T, you say I don't need DDR3-1600, then how slow can I go?

The UD3H that I mentined in my last post always had the 890GX chipset. (First mentioned in post 51) It has a decent accomplishment list at HWBot. My logic is that if people are using this board when submitting to HWBot, then it's got to be a decent board.

I really want the Gigabyte UD5 or the MSI GD70 because they're cheaper. But I'll see if I can find the Forumula. If I can find a deal, I'll consider it. Can I go wrong with the Gigabyte or MSI board?


More thoughts about graphics? I was thinking 5870. JrRacinFan says 5850. Noise is really important to me so I'd like to stay away from Fermi. 5770 CF could also be an option. That seems to perform about equal to a 5870.
 

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If I get the 1090T, you say I don't need DDR3-1600, then how slow can I go?

The UD3H that I mentined in my last post always had the 890GX chipset. (First mentioned in post 51) It has a decent accomplishment list at HWBot. My logic is that if people are using this board when submitting to HWBot, then it's got to be a decent board.

I really want the Gigabyte UD5 or the MSI GD70 because they're cheaper. But I'll see if I can find the Forumula. If I can find a deal, I'll consider it. Can I go wrong with the Gigabyte or MSI board?


More thoughts about graphics? I was thinking 5870. JrRacinFan says 5850. Noise is really important to me so I'd like to stay away from Fermi. 5770 CF could also be an option. That seems to perform about equal to a 5870.

my advice is 1333Mhz for the slowest, aim for CL6 or 7 if possible.

while 5770 performs similar to 5870, remember that ram doesnt add, nor does memory bandwidth - so it caps out earlier at high res/high settings.
 
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Good points. No more 5770 CF. The performance difference is small anyway. So I guess the question now is 5870 or 5850. I was thinking about the 5870 so it'll last longer and be worth more when I sell it.
 

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Good points. No more 5770 CF. The performance difference is small anyway. So I guess the question now is 5870 or 5850. I was thinking about the 5870 so it'll last longer and be worth more when I sell it.

i went with the same reasoning when i got a 5870
 
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I'm very happy with my single 5870 while gaming at 1920*1200 resolution. I can't tell a difference between this 5870 and the pair of GTX280 cards it replaced except for less heat and fan noise.
 
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Alright my final config will look similar to this:
  • CPU - AMD 1090T or 1055T
  • Mobo - Asus Crosshair IV Formula
  • RAM - 4GB of DDR3-1600 RAM (advice/suggestions please)
  • GPU - 5870 reference

I worry about the cost of the Crosshair. If I can't find one for a good price, then my fallback is the MSI 890FXA-GD70 or the Gigabyte GA-890FXA-UD5 in that order.

I also need advice on what RAM kit to get. First, what kind of timings should I be looking for? Second, is there one brand that's just awesome or is pretty much every brand is good if you get the right specs.

Thanks. I hope to start buying next week.
 

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First off stay away from ocz. The reaper kits are ok but everything else is meh.

Look for 1600 cl7. Up to u if u want to pay xtra for the ch4 but personally id go with whatever is least expensive of those choices.
 

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First off stay away from ocz. The reaper kits are ok but everything else is meh.

I had a tri channel kit of OCZ Platinum's and they were awesome imo.:)

But i agree the Reapers are in fact awesome to.:rockout:
 
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Alright.

I'm having an extremely hard time finding a used X6. They seem to be in high demmand and when I do find one, it's never more than 20% off. Guess that's the best I'm gonna do.

But I see lots of X58/9x0 boards/cpus out there. I was thinking that what if I built X58 based system then traded it for a X6? That will let me try out both CPUs and ultimately get the X6 that I want. Couple of questions though:

1) Good strategy? Or terriable idea? If it matters, I love getting new parts and don't mind swapping out things.

2) Is that a fair trade? I would have a X58 board and a Ci7 920 and I would get one of the X6's and a 890FX board. I'm primarily concerned about cost/value, not performance.

3) So let's talk about X58 parts. Ci7 920 or 930? Which motherboard? Really keep in mind resale value as this will be traded within a couple of months.


Thanks again people. :toast:
 

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Alright.

I'm having an extremely hard time finding a used X6. They seem to be in high demmand and when I do find one, it's never more than 20% off. Guess that's the best I'm gonna do.

But I see lots of X58/9x0 boards/cpus out there. I was thinking that what if I built X58 based system then traded it for a X6? That will let me try out both CPUs and ultimately get the X6 that I want. Couple of questions though:

1) Good strategy? Or terriable idea? If it matters, I love getting new parts and don't mind swapping out things.

2) Is that a fair trade? I would have a X58 board and a Ci7 920 and I would get one of the X6's and a 890FX board. I'm primarily concerned about cost/value, not performance.

3) So let's talk about X58 parts. Ci7 920 or 930? Which motherboard? Really keep in mind resale value as this will be traded within a couple of months.


Thanks again people. :toast:


1.If you built an X58 system, that in it self should be good enough for pretty much anything. the i7's are on par and most of the time exceed the performance of the AMD x6 CPU's.(but for a bit of a higher cost.). If your goal is to just swap parts, then have at it, but just keep in mind you won't be doing a massive overhaul moving to an X6, and if anything, you'll be losing performance in some situations moving away form an i7.

2. AMD's Phenom II X6 CPU's are great chips and yes you will see some great value in those actual parts themselves. On the other end though, you are sacrificing performance to an extent. But if performance isn't the priority as you said, then i say go for it.

3. Go with a i7 930 and a good mobo with some great features on it, like USB3, SATA III, etc the more future proof the better, then again, if you're selling it to someone who doesn't know much about hardware, you could possible pick up a lower end X58 board and chip and possibly get around the same cash as you would selling it to someone who is more informed(but that would be ripping them off to an extent). You'll be able to sell those parts for a boat load. BUT, i really have a feeling you're getting ripped off, i mean you're willing to buy parts that exceed an X6 platform to an extent and yet you know your going to just sell it anyways in a couple months to go with something that isn't as beefy. I understand you want the X6 badly, but really, why lose if you can gain by going with the X58?

Really, if you have enough cash to go X58, then why not just go X58?. The AMD X6 CPU's are utterly fantastic, but that's something i would recommend for people who: A. can't afford the X58 platform. B. just want to play games and maybe the occasional video encoding, benchmarks etc. C. loves the company AMD so they feel as though they have to support them even if they lose performance. D. already own a mobo that when updated can support the X6 CPU's.

But this is just IMO, i sure many others will offer just the opposite insight as to why it would be a great move.
 
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I totally understand where you're coming from. I'm not stuck on the X6.. I just needed to make a decision and go with it.

My main issue with X58 is the heat, but more specifically, the noise that comes with that. And I'm not your typical user when it comes to noise.

Water cooling is a strong possibility in the future and you need a 120x3 rad just for the i7. If you add the GPU in, you might need another triple rad and then you have to factor in space requirements and such.

I do like swapping parts though, so maybe do the i7 thing and and trade it for an X6 + cash? Then I could sell the X6 stuff because they're so popular and get an i7 setup again.

There are sooo many X58 boards out there. I don't have any need for more than 2 GPUs and I really like color schemes. MSI's blue and black boards and EVGA's all black boards look amazing. I can settle for one of Gigabyte's blue theme too, but preferably one of the former.

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I totally understand where you're coming from. I'm not stuck on the X6.. I just needed to make a decision and go with it.

My main issue with X58 is the heat, but more specifically, the noise that comes with that. And I'm not your typical user when it comes to noise.

Water cooling is a strong possibility in the future and you need a 120x3 rad just for the i7. If you add the GPU in, you might need another triple rad and then you have to factor in space requirements and such.

I do like swapping parts though, so maybe do the i7 thing and and trade it for an X6 + cash? Then I could sell the X6 stuff because they're so popular and get an i7 setup again.

There are sooo many X58 boards out there. I don't have any need for more than 2 GPUs and I really like color schemes. MSI's blue and black boards and EVGA's all black boards look amazing. I can settle for one of Gigabyte's blue theme too, but preferably one of the former.

Thanks!

I see where you're coming from.;)

At the end of the day it's up to you and what you think is best for the money. And if you like swapping parts and thats mainly what you want to satisfy, then i say go for it. Just make sure you get what you need and you don't waste a bunch of money trying to get there.
 
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