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It is one of the best boards out there. That’s why the chances to run 4x32GB @3200MHz (or even higher) are high.
 
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Read all that and felt compelled to add some more “4 sticks” data points for a saturday afternoon. I’ve got two Asrock x570 Taichis. One has a 3600x and 4x16GB hyperX 3200C16 sticks from their qvl list and is totally fine. The other has a 5600x with 4x32GB crucial 3200C16. Those crucials are not on the Asrock qvl list for Vermeer but are for Renoir and are also totally fine. Maybe I should do some stressful testing to prove the point, but I’ve run out of memory on both of them and its been business-as-usual, and their xmp profiles are reported correctly.....unlike when i first tried some corsair sticks that were not on the qvl list and it was 2166mhz for the win.
 

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Read all that and felt compelled to add some more “4 sticks” data points for a saturday afternoon. I’ve got two Asrock x570 Taichis. One has a 3600x and 4x16GB hyperX 3200C16 sticks from their qvl list and is totally fine. The other has a 5600x with 4x32GB crucial 3200C16. Those crucials are not on the Asrock qvl list for Vermeer but are for Renoir and are also totally fine. Maybe I should do some stressful testing to prove the point, but I’ve run out of memory on both of them and its been business-as-usual, and their xmp profiles are reported correctly.....unlike when i first tried some corsair sticks that were not on the qvl list and it was 2166mhz for the win.
Honestly speaking, neither are my sticks.

I have two Corsair Vengeance LPX 3200MHz CL16 kits, the part number of which is CMK64GX4M2E3200C16. That kit is on my motherboard's QVL list, with one difference: my kits are v3.40, while the kit that's on the QVL list is v3.44. That difference, to my understanding, can be significant. Moreover, the QVL entry for that RAM pertains to two sticks, not four – while my intention is to run four of them. Unfortunately, I had no way of knowing the exact revision number of the modules for my kits when I ordered them. Oh well, I hope it's gonna be okay.
 
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It doesn't matter if they're b-dies or not its the way they're put together. Corsair keeps messing this up. Every week there's another user with issues with their corsair ram, no joke.

Instead of raising the voltage, run the ram at a lower speed then work your way up.

I got your thinking but if it's new ram screw that and buy some thing much more compatible like the Patriot \ G Skill memory
 
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Fair enough. Thanks a lot!


The Crosshair VIII Dark Hero board I have should be one of the highest-end AM4 ASUS boards. I'd therefore assume that I have a better chance at "pushing it" with the RAM on that board rather than with lower-end ones. With that being said, my significant other has a B550-based ASUS PRIME B550-PLUS motherboard at work, running a 5900X with 128GB (4x32GB) of RAM at 3200MHz. That board is a cheaper one, yet her machine at work is completely stable.
It won't make a lick of difference. The IMC and everything related is on the cpu die. The only thing that differentiates the Dark from the other CH boards are the improved vrms and their tweaked bios oc method. And as you confirmed the cheap 550 board achieved something your current board has yet to. I'd be curious to know what ram your SO is using in that setup, same or different brand?

I got your thinking but if it's new ram screw that and buy some thing much more compatible like the Patriot \ G Skill memory
I've suggested that plenty of times though there's always someone who takes issue to that.

Unfortunately, I had no way of knowing the exact revision number of the modules for my kits when I ordered them. Oh well, I hope it's gonna be okay.
Therein lies the problem with Corsair.
 

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It won't make a lick of difference. The IMC and everything related is on the cpu die. The only thing that differentiates the Dark from the other CH boards are the improved vrms and their tweaked bios oc method. And as you confirmed the cheap 550 board achieved something your current board has yet to. I'd be curious to know what ram your SO is using in that setup, same or different brand?
I am not sure how accurate the statement about my board not being able to achieve 4x32GB at 3200MHz is. You see, I had one defective module and I am yet to receive a replacement kit. I can tell you this: even with the bad kit installed (in the 4x32GB configuration, that is), the only test that would fail was the Hammer Test. The same test would also fail when the defective kit was tested alone, in a 2x32GB configuration.

With regards to the RAM that my significant other is using at work, these would be different modules. Namely, two 2x32GB G.Skill Ripjaws V 3200MHz CL16 kits (part number F4-3200C16D-64GVK), making it four modules in total. Being constrained by the dimensions of the cooling solution that I use (Noctua NH-D15 chromax.black), I was unable to purchase such kits myself.
 

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My faulty ram never failed a stress test. I would keep having files corrupt or games crash after updating. I suspect you have 1 kit with a slight instability. Like I said I have system with Corsair branded 4 sticks of ram with no issue at 3200mhz it's not stressing the board or the CPU. It's just unstable
 

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My faulty ram never failed a stress test. I would keep having files corrupt or games crash after updating. I suspect you have 1 kit with a slight instability. Like I said I have system with Corsair branded 4 sticks of ram with no issue at 3200mhz it's not stressing the board or the CPU. It's just unstable
Then that would not be faulty ram, but rather a compatibility problem between the memory and the motherboard. That is where QVL testing comes in handy. I have had that happen with Corsair as far back as P35/X48.
 

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Then that would not be faulty ram, but rather a compatibility problem between the memory and the motherboard. That is where QVL testing comes in handy. I have had that happen with Corsair as far back as P35/X48.
How would RAM not fail stress testing that's specifically tailored to common use cases and edge cases alike, and yet would fail in real-world usage scenarios? Even though I recognize that this is possible, I fail to see how.
 
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I am not sure how accurate the statement about my board not being able to achieve 4x32GB at 3200MHz is. You see, I had one defective module and I am yet to receive a replacement kit. I can tell you this: even with the bad kit installed (in the 4x32GB configuration, that is), the only test that would fail was the Hammer Test. The same test would also fail when the defective kit was tested alone, in a 2x32GB configuration.

With regards to the RAM that my significant other is using at work, these would be different modules. Namely, two 2x32GB G.Skill Ripjaws V 3200MHz CL16 kits (part number F4-3200C16D-64GVK), making it four modules in total. Being constrained by the dimensions of the cooling solution that I use (Noctua NH-D15 chromax.black), I was unable to purchase such kits myself.
The point is, it's not the board that determines any of this. It is the memory itself and the cpu. As far as the defective pair, that's not really in debate. It's the assumption that a more expensive board will net a better memory result which isn't actually accurate since the memory controller/fabric etc is on die.

Ah, she's using Gskill... much improved chance of success with that brand.
 

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How would RAM not fail stress testing that's specifically tailored to common use cases and edge cases alike, and yet would fail in real-world usage scenarios? Even though I recognize that this is possible, I fail to see how.
Because the ram and motherboard aren’t talking to each other properly through software, in this case the uefi software and not bios. If the ram is passing stress but not passing real life then it is a settings issue in bios or compatibility issue. I have had to overclock systems in the past to get them to run because they can’t do it at stock settings because of capatibilty. Come to think of it it was usually with Corsair ram :D
 

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Because the ram and motherboard aren’t talking to each other properly through software, in this case the uefi software and not bios. If the ram is passing stress but not passing real life then it is a settings issue in bios or compatibility issue. I have had to overclock systems in the past to get them to run because they can’t do it at stock settings because of capatibilty. Come to think of it it was usually with Corsair ram :D
To the best of my knowledge, the interface between these components should not be specific to any RAM brand or model (apart from setting frequency, voltage and timings through XMP, DOCP and the like).

The point is, it's not the board that determines any of this. It is the memory itself and the cpu. As far as the defective pair, that's not really in debate. It's the assumption that a more expensive board will net a better memory result which isn't actually accurate since the memory controller/fabric etc is on die.

Ah, she's using Gskill... much improved chance of success with that brand.
This does not seem to be black and white though. I've read comments where people said they were able to run four sticks of my exact same RAM on Ryzen-based systems without a problem – even at 3200MHz. I understand that one's mileage may vary here.

You know something, after having used Corsair RAM (4x4GB 1600MHz DDR3) in my main system since January 2011, I've been baffled to read these negative opinions. My experience with Corsair memory has been nothing but great, through literally thousands of hours of use.

Life seems to have become much more complicated now, shopping-wise. Gone are the days when you could just install any PC100 SDRAM modules into a 440BX-based motherboard and forget about their existence. 1998, those were some golden times.
 
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This does not seem to be black and white though. I've read comments where people said they were able to run four sticks of my exact same RAM on Ryzen-based systems without a problem – even at 3200MHz. I understand that one's mileage may vary here.

You know something, after having used Corsair RAM (4x4GB 1600MHz DDR3) in a my main system since January 2011, I've been baffled to read these negative opinions. My experience with Corsair memory has been nothing but great, through literally thousands of hours of use.

Life seems to have become much more complicated now, shopping-wise. Gone are the days when you could just install any PC100 SDRAM modules into a 440BX-based motherboard and forget about their existence. 1998, those were some golden times.
Corsair used to be good years ago. Today, I wouldn't touch their ram. Search the forums, every week someone's got issues.
 

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To the best of my knowledge, the interface between these components should not be specific to any RAM brand or model (apart from setting frequency, voltage and timings through XMP, DOCP and the like).


This does not seem to be black and white though. I've read comments where people said they were able to run four sticks of my exact same RAM on Ryzen-based systems without a problem – even at 3200MHz. I understand that one's mileage may vary here.

You know something, after having used Corsair RAM (4x4GB 1600MHz DDR3) in a my main system since January 2011, I've been baffled to read these negative opinions. My experience with Corsair memory has been nothing but great, through literally thousands of hours of use.

Life seems to have become much more complicated now, shopping-wise. Gone are the days when you could just install any PC100 SDRAM modules into a 440BX-based motherboard and forget about their existence. 1998, those were some golden times.
That's what you would think, but they are. Memory and motherboard manufacturers usually hold a QVL list to show what their products are compatible with. I cross checked both pairs of my ram against my mobo with each CPU I own and went with them.. and I have no problems.. I even went so far as to match my M.2s lol. That probably wasn't needed, but it was my first brand new build in about a decade and I didn't want to build a frustration box.. had enough of those. At the same time there are people who never check QVL and don't have an issue.

You and similar lucky gents might have just got lucky, I hear they use mixed chips on their sticks.. so maybe you guys got the good stuff early on. I cant confirm nor deny, to me its just hear say.

Yes, but at the same time no.. Its only complicated if you let it be. If you have an idea what you want, its quite easy to narrow things down, at least at Newegg. The forums are a tremendous wealth of information, google too.. though it can be tough to wade through all the feces.

For all I know I could just be talking shit lol. I only commented based on my personal experience eons ago. But surprisingly it somehow still seems relevant..
 

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My faulty ram never failed a stress test. I would keep having files corrupt or games crash after updating. I suspect you have 1 kit with a slight instability. Like I said I have system with Corsair branded 4 sticks of ram with no issue at 3200mhz it's not stressing the board or the CPU. It's just unstable
Did you run MemTest86 (not the MemTest86+) and if you did – did you run the Hammer Test?
My faulty kit would otherwise pass all other tests but this one.

That's what you would think, but they are. Memory and motherboard manufacturers usually hold a QVL list to show what their products are compatible with. I cross checked both pairs of my ram against my mobo with each CPU I own and went with them.. and I have no problems.. I even went so far as to match my M.2s lol. That probably wasn't needed, but it was my first brand new build in about a decade and I didn't want to build a frustration box.. had enough of those. At the same time there are people who never check QVL and don't have an issue.

You and similar lucky gents might have just got lucky, I hear they use mixed chips on their sticks.. so maybe you guys got the good stuff early on. I cant confirm nor deny, to me its just hear say.

Yes, but at the same time no.. Its only complicated if you let it be. If you have an idea what you want, its quite easy to narrow things down, at least at Newegg. The forums are a tremendous wealth of information, google too.. though it can be tough to wade through all the feces.

For all I know I could just be talking shit lol. I only commented based on my personal experience eons ago. But surprisingly it somehow still seems relevant..
Which is why I said "apart from setting frequency, voltage and timings through XMP, DOCP and the like". After frequency, voltage and timings are set (either by SPD, XMP, DOCP, etc.), the RAM modules should not receive any "special treatment" from the system firmware (again, to the best of my knowledge).

The modules I have seemed to be on the QVL list when I ordered them – the part number matched one for one. However, the QVL lists v3.44 for that part number, while the part number of my RAM is v3.40. It's too bad that such uncertainty exists and that revision numbers are not embedded into the part number itself. Thing is that stores around here don't usually carry a large variety of brands (I can't seem to be able find Patriot RAM locally, for instance), and ordering hardware online is less relevant because of the shipping times (that is, if I had to RMA a product, that round trip would take about a month – and that's some downtime I wouldn't want to incur). Given these factors – and the fact that there are only a few kits that would be compatible with the dimensions of my cooling solution – the choice I had was clear.

I've been working with computers since the mid-90's, and believe it or not – this is the first time ever that I get a faulty RAM module in one of my personal computers.
 
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Did you run MemTest86 (not the MemTest86+) and if you did – did you run the Hammer Test?
My faulty kit would otherwise pass all other tests but this one.

Which is why I said "apart from setting frequency, voltage and timings through XMP, DOCP and the like". After frequency, voltage and timings are set (either by SPD, XMP, DOCP, etc.), the RAM modules should not receive any "special treatment" from the system firmware (again, to the best of my knowledge).

That's patently untrue. The only information contained in XMP are VDIMM (usually 1.35V), the speed of the profile, and the primary timings (tCL, tRCD(RD/WR), tRP, tRAS, and tRC) and possibly VSOC. All other timings, procODT, CADBUS drive strengths, minor voltages on the CLDO rail, command rate and Geardown, are all determined by the board upon RAM training during first POST. Guess what tells the board how to train? The AGESA firmware and its vendor implementation, obviously.

You're running the hardest possible stress on the UMC. 4 dual rank DIMMs. With the right kit, I don't doubt that you should be able to do 3200MT/s on 4 2R DIMMs; your average upper midrange 6-layer Tomahawk is QVL'd for 3600 on that setup.

Your repeated emphasis on the "Hammer test" in MT86 doesn't shed any useful light on what needs to be done to solve this problem.

No one worth their salt in the DRAM overclocking community uses slow-ass Memtest86 in testing, outside of initially verifying once that a newly purchased RAM kit is free of hardware defects. It's slow as hell, runs outside of Windows (kinda defeats the purpose of a memtest, you don't use your computer in DOS), doesn't work the CPU like any respectable memtest should, and I don't even know if it tests the full capacity of DRAM. Run HCI Memtest, Karhu, or Testmem5 with the anta777 Extreme1 config, and see if you get errors (the % coverage at which errors show in HCI, or the # of errors in a run of TM5).

If you get through HCI to 1000%+ coverage without problems, or at least 2-3 runs of TM5 anta without errors, move onto tests that will stress the UMC. An hour or two of Prime95 Large FFT, OCCT's memory test might also work.

All links in here: MemTestHelper/DDR4 OC Guide.md at master · integralfx/MemTestHelper · GitHub

That's all without stating the obvious: you're mixing and matching 2 Corsair kits. Corsair is by far the worst offender in mixing various ICs from different vendors under the same "product number". Not even the "revision number" on the sticker properly identifies what the IC is. You can only use Thaiphoon Burner to help you make an educated guess. There's dozens of different ICs out there from Samsung, Micron, SK Hynix, and Nanya, each has differing preferences to timings and speeds, and reacts differently to voltage (VDIMM).

You can't expect predictable results when you're mixing kits. The QVL is designed for a single kit of 4 DIMMs, which is assured to contain the same ICs across 4 sticks. That's not what you have.
 
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That's patently untrue. The only information contained in XMP are VDIMM (usually 1.35V), the speed of the profile, and the primary timings (tCL, tRCD(RD/WR), tRP, tRAS, and tRC) and possibly VSOC. All other timings, procODT, CADBUS drive strengths, minor voltages on the CLDO rail, command rate and Geardown, are all determined by the board upon RAM training during first POST. Guess what tells the board how to train? The AGESA firmware and its vendor implementation, obviously.
I stand corrected. Thanks for clarifying this.

You're running the hardest possible stress on the UMC. 4 dual rank DIMMs. With the right kit, I don't doubt that you should be able to do 3200MT/s on 4 2R DIMMs; your average upper midrange 6-layer Tomahawk is QVL'd for 3600 on that setup.
I am aware that my choice of configuration complicates things, no doubt about that. I had no other choice of configuration to achieve that amount of RAM though.

Your repeated emphasis on the "Hammer test" in MT86 doesn't shed any useful light on what needs to be done to solve this problem.

No one worth their salt in the DRAM overclocking community uses slow-ass Memtest86 in testing, outside of initially verifying once that a newly purchased RAM kit is free of hardware defects. It's slow as hell, runs outside of Windows (kinda defeats the purpose of a memtest, you don't use your computer in DOS), doesn't work the CPU like any respectable memtest should, and I don't even know if it tests the full capacity of DRAM. Run HCI Memtest, Karhu, or Testmem5 with the anta777 Extreme1 config, and see if you get errors (the % coverage at which errors show in HCI, or the # of errors in a run of TM5).

If you get through HCI to 1000%+ coverage without problems, or at least 2-3 runs of TM5 anta without errors, move onto tests that will stress the UMC. An hour or two of Prime95 Large FFT, OCCT's memory test might also work.

All links in here: MemTestHelper/DDR4 OC Guide.md at master · integralfx/MemTestHelper · GitHub
The Hammer Test is the only test that could iron out that defective RAM module (or kit, for that matter). I already purchased HCI MemTest Pro and will be running it again after I receive the replacement kit. Thanks for all the other useful tips, I will be implementing them!
 
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File corruptions are usually related to CPU spread spectrum, some SSD and GPU just don't like it when BCLK is raised even by 1mhz (100mhz to 101mhz).
Some quick googling and I find that the Asus TUF x570 don't even have option in the BIOS to disable CPU Spread Spectrum, which is just ridiculous.
My advice is to change to another motherboard brand.
 
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I would sooner suspect storage drives or connections. RAM is stable in TM5 using extreme config for hours. I would run chkdsk for bad sectors on the drive, and try a different SATA port with a new cable.

Edit: Are the ports controlled by a single controller or 2? Try a differently colored one if available.
 

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I would sooner suspect storage drives or connections. RAM is stable in TM5 using extreme config for hours. I would run chkdsk for bad sectors on the drive, and try a different SATA port with a new cable.
I already suspected a storage issue, and ruled it out. I have three drives, two NVMe drives and one SATA SSD. Corruption happens when installing content to any of them.

No, different controllers.
 
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I already suspected a storage issue, and ruled it out. I have three drives, two NVMe drives and one SATA SSD. Corruption happens when installing content to any of them.
You should start your own thread, no need to hijack it.
 

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You should start your own thread, no need to hijack it.
this threads a continuation of the same issue, x570 with zen2/3 (same IMC) and 4x32GB of RAM



As has been figured out, half the issue is that corsair sell a product and fit 50 different physical devices under that label... it's bloody hard to match up RAM sticks with out buying a 4 pack initially because a revision change could mean different timings, or entirely different brand IC's
 

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You should start your own thread, no need to hijack it.
This thread had been without activity for five months before I added my reply, which was on the same issue (in the meantime, OP had his issue resolved). I didn't think it was a problem. Apologies for any inconvenience.
 

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This thread had been without activity for five months before I added my reply, which was on the same issue (in the meantime, OP had his issue resolved). I didn't think it was a problem. Apologies for any inconvenience.
We do have a policy for making a new thread *unless* your issue is exactly the same as the OP's.

In this case, finding out his solutions was worth posting here (sadly: it was buying different RAM)
 
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