Nvidia PhysX 8.07.18 driver ( Geforce 8/9/GT200 series )

[Kursah]

PhysX is all about the amount of shaders and the speed they run on. More shaders and/or faster shaders = more PhysX power.

That's how I have come to believe the CUDA PhysX program, but it's not just about that, aside from how efficient they can make them for physX, using drivers none-the-less! If PhysX really takes off, this could be a huge thing imo. It's got enough buzz already.

It would be completly unlogic if Nvidia adds deticated shaders for physx because that would be a waste of power.

Yes, but has either NV or ATI done everything how we would view as logical? I'd think it'd be kind of cool if a new 55nm Ageia PPU, with 128-256 memory "built" into a graphics card, or an Ageia PPU built into the GPU could be interesting..what would it do to die sizes? heat output? overclocking? Who knows! Will it ever happen? Probably not, but it could.

But if NV designed a shader specifically for PhysX programming, that aren't counted in the mainstream shaders, yeah it may be kind of "shady", but I could totally believe it happening.

And you have to think of what your saying, 2 GTX280 cards should always be faster then one.

I don't necessarily think he meant a 2nd 280, but more-so a card like the 8600GT p_o_s_pc was referring to.

Whether or not it's more than heresay, I dunno..I'm not worried, I enjoy my games atm, PhysX or not..sure it's a neat gimmick that to me has more promise than DX10 did at launch, and DX11 does from hype, because we can actually experience it and have been able to unofficially for quite a bit. All these technologies will eventually lead to the consumer winning with better gaming experiences, it's just the time it takes to get everything dialed in I suppose, and set all the facts straight.

 

[JRMBelgium]

I really don't care about it all that much. My next card will be an ATI card for sure.

 

[Kursah]

I really don't care about it all that much. My next card will be an ATI card for sure.

That's cool, I suppose it's nice the thread you started has enough that care to keep it going then!
I can't make a call like that for "next" upgrades...I've had plenty of ATI and NV cards over the years...I go with what fits the budget at the time and gets the performance I want at that particular time, has the positive stuff I want and the negative stuff I'm willing to deal with...the NV GTX 260 won this round...my next could be an ATI, Intel, NV...who really knows? Not a big deal atm.

 

[p_o_s_pc]

I am with Kursah i can't say if i am getting nv or ATI next. I have had 6 Nv cards and 4 ATI cards.

 

[Mussels]

PhysX is all about the amount of shaders and the speed they run on. More shaders and/or faster shaders = more PhysX power.

It would be completly unlogic if Nvidia adds deticated shaders for physx because that would be a waste of power.

And you have to think of what your saying, 2 GTX280 cards should always be faster then one.

way to misquote and take my comments completely out of context.

CUDA is all about the shaders - PHYSX is not. Cuda emulates the physx hardware on the 8x/9x series hardware, while the GT200 cards can easily have a dedicated physx chip, or dedicated part of the main chip (who says it has to be shaders? they own ageia and could have a new chip on there)

you totally misquoted me on the 'two is faster than one' as i was talking about PHYSX. since shaders are taken away from say, a G92 card to use to process physx, you get a small FPS hit (and a massive reduction of CPU usage). Using a second card for physx would free that GPU power back up. On a card with dedicated physx hardware, adding another card for *PHYSX* will not improve FPS - adding it for *SLI* would

 

[JRMBelgium]

I am with Kursah i can't say if i am getting nv or ATI next. I have had 6 Nv cards and 4 ATI cards.

The reason why I am ditching Nvidia after 7 Nvidia GPU's is because the company has done nothing but leeching of gamers the last couple of years.

I remember a webcast where Michael Haro or Hara ( don't remember the exact name ) from Nvidia announced that the G92 was going to have 1 Teraflop power, that the next-gen cards were going to be 3 times as fast. Not only that, the guy clearly sad that they would get released by the end of 2007.

I am sure that Nvidia already was already at a pretty advanced stage at that time, because otherwise they wouldn't make such announcements. The specs were probably identical to the GTX280 becides the fact that it would be based on a G9 core. But there is nothing that a couple of extra shaders couldn't solve. Afterall, they sad 1 Gigaflop.

But when ATI released such crappy cards Nvidia thaught "how, let's back off here, ATI can't compete with our Geforce 8 products so why release new products if we can still make a lot of money with this old crap. Then they released the 8800GT and the 8800GTS to compete with the slightly better HD3 cards and Nvidia won the battle once again by doing nothing but reducing the size of the chip.

Then Nvidia released the Geforce 9 cards. Each and every one of them is a Geforce 8 product with a new label on it. The only card that I actually consider as "new" is the 9800GX2, but the correct name would have been 8800GX2. How many thousands of gamers bought a Geforce 9 card thinking they were buying a new product? Come on now, Nvidia had to lock the 9600GT so that it couldn't beat the 8800GT in benchmarks.

I actually know a guy who upgraded from a 8800GT to a Geforce 9800GTX ( and he doesn't overclock ), talk about a waste of money. And this is not a guy who has a lot of money, he actually had to save for quite some time to come up with it. The local shop recommended this "brand new product" to him.

Now look at all the news about all the crappy products Nvidia has solled over the years. It's a good thing that they lost a lot of money because of it. And now there are rumors going around that even the G92 cards have the same problem, wich means that it's only a mather of time before a lot of G92 products start to overheat ( if the rumors are true offcourse ).

And I really LOVE the latest stunt Nvidia pulled. Releasing their "pack" at the same day as ATI releases their 4870X2 so that ATI gets less media-attention. This is what I am going to do from now on. I am going to buy an HD4 card, Nvidia can release their GT300 or Geforce 10 but I wait untill ATI releases their HD5 card.

First Intel pays hundreds of companies to prevent AMD sales, they get sued by AMD and the trails have been delayed, delayed and delayed once again... Now Nvidia has been pulling of a lot of stunds to leech money from consumers.

We need AMD/ATI to survive, because if they don't, we can say "bye bye" to PC gaming. Because there is no way in hell we will be able to afford new hardware if Intel and Nvidia don't have anyone to compete with. Not only that, it will slow down the development process a lot. You don't have to be an AMD fanboy to know this is true.

Since I know about Creatives strategy with their faulty drivers, I decided to stop buying creative products. I sold my Creative Zen and I will not buy an X-FI card.

This is why I don't buy Apple hardware/software:
- XP is now, 6 years old? And all the latest software still runs 100% fine on it. Not only that, new software will work on it for years to come.
- Ever tried installing the latest software like CS3 on a MAC OS that is a couple of years old? A lot of professional editing software requires the latest OS, and that will never change.
- Have you seen the latest Apple advertisements? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oaN1Nz1Dyls

Hey, I might be a little extreem about this, but I know that many people feel the same way...
Sure, every company screws the consumers every once and a while, but once it becomes a consistant strategy, I say "bye bye, I'll buy somewhere else...".

Some people forget that consumers can controll what companies do and not the other way around.