Phenom 9950 (2.6GHz) will be the last 65nm proc. AMD with 4 cores

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Phenom 9950 (2.6GHz) will be the last 65nm proc. AMD with 4 cores
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[DanishDevil]

Source?

 

[yogurt_21]

probably becaue they're swapping to 45nm

 

[DanishDevil]

I agree yogurt. Seeing what the change from 90nm to 65nm did for the 5000+ Black Edition, I'm really excited to see how a 45nm Phenom Black edition will overclock

 

[exodusprime1337]

ooooo, very exciting, now only if there was concrete evidence, or even a timeline as to when these badboys will be here, i'm holding out for quad and praying my 5000 blacky holds out long enough. 3.45 isn't bad but if i had a quad amd at 3.45 i'd be relatively happy i must say.

 

[candle_86]

well the B3's are shipping now, and AMD showed of the first 45nm already, so id say by Q3-Q4 the AMD 45nm should arrive. Most of the bugs of the Barelona design have been worked out this should be a simple die shrink

 

[hat]

If they can make 45nm why would they make 65nm anymore :/

 

[DanishDevil]

If I had to guess, they'll probably do something similar to their move with the 6400+BE and have a cool chip for a good deal to get rid of the last of their 65nm processors. My money's on a Phenom 8 Series (Tri-Core) Black Edition.

 

[FlipIt]

The source is in Russian but im sure that's true i mean the web site is serious heres the link: http://overclockers.ru/hardnews/28643.shtml

 

[Darknova]

If they can make 45nm why would they make 65nm anymore :/

Exactly, they've fixed the cache bug and can make 45nm. Why continue making 65nm? 45nm is cheaper to produce as you get more on a wafer. Hence why the E8400 from Intel is cheaper than the E6850 which are the same speed

 

[btarunr]

Something tells me AMD is rushing in SandTiger.

 

[Widjaja]

AMD as long as it does everything the first Phenoms were expected to do.

Beat Intel and run properly.

 

[Basard]

Maybe they are already done with 65nm, shipping them all out, and producing 45 as we speak. Tomorrow they will be making 32nm.... and Intel will be doing 25nm at that point, but still shipping 45 cuz AMD is playin catchup. Who knows. I'm sure AMD would ship their 45nm if they were worthy of shipping. If they are already talking 45nm then I'm sure they are manufacturing a few, being as they had them on demo at CBIT.

I know I'd love to see a phenom at 3.5Ghz, with 4mb shared cache. But that wont happen until this time next year I'm guessing.

AMD's always got a few tricks up their sleeves. But Intel though, they got a few up their pant-legs as well.

 

[trog100]

I agree yogurt. Seeing what the change from 90nm to 65nm did for the 5000+ Black Edition, I'm really excited to see how a 45nm Phenom Black edition will overclock

errrr.. being as the 6400+ 65nm chip still outperform the 5000+ 45nm chip i cant see as the die shrink did much for amd..

a "simple die shrink".. well yes.. gee wizz the phenom is now a world beater.. faith is powerfull thing.. he he he

trog

 

[DanishDevil]

I think it did a lot. The 6400+ can outperform the 5000+ by about .2Ghz on average. I haven't seen a ton of 6400+ chips going over 3.4 or 3.5. And it cut the cost by about 60%. Price/performance ratio is really what I'm speaking of; I should have been a bit more specific.

I don't have a lot of money to use on computer components, so when I could get ATi's flagship GPU for $250 I squealed. When I can spend $110 (less now) on a processor that I can change two settings on in the bios and be up there with the big boys of AMD overclocks in the 3Ghz range, I squeal.

I guess I'm just the perfect buyer for who they're marketing to - overclockers who don't want to spend a lot of money on individual components, and don't want a whole lot of trouble to be able to do it.

And I never said that the Phenom was a world beater. I'm just excited to see AMD get off their ass and release a quad core that overclocks well, and I think that might be why they're running off to 45nm.

Think about it, they just suffered a massive failure with the TLB bug. Now that they've fixed that, and their competitor's going 45nm, they're (hopefully) going to make sure that they do it right this time.

I am not a member of the AMD Church, I just believe in the market that they're selling to, and I'm largely a part of that market.

 

[largon]

ghost101
AMD has only one chip plant (FAB36) online atm. The other FAB30-38 is offline and in the middle of 300mm / 65nm transition.

Something tells me AMD is rushing in SandTiger.

Fusion/Bulldozer (including Sandtiger) has been put to ice for now (see page 16), instead they aim to release "Swift" (45nm K10 + embedded R6-gen GPU) in mid-2009.

 

[btarunr]

ghost101
AMD has only one chip plant (FAB36) online atm. The other FAB30-38 is offline and in the middle of 300mm / 65nm transition.

Fusion/Bulldozer (including Sandtiger) has been put to ice for now (see page 16), instead they aim to release "Swift" (45nm K10 + embedded R6-gen GPU) in mid-2009.

Thanks for the PDF. The box of my Windsor 5400+ reads "Diffused in Germany or Singapore, made in Malaysia or China" what does 'diffused' mean?

 

[ShadowFold]

Man I gotta get me a 790FX and save for a 45nm quad! Go AMD!

 

[trog100]

I think it did a lot. The 6400+ can outperform the 5000+ by about .2Ghz on average. I haven't seen a ton of 6400+ chips going over 3.4 or 3.5. And it cut the cost by about 60%. Price/performance ratio is really what I'm speaking of; I should have been a bit more specific.

I don't have a lot of money to use on computer components, so when I could get ATi's flagship GPU for $250 I squealed. When I can spend $110 (less now) on a processor that I can change two settings on in the bios and be up there with the big boys of AMD overclocks in the 3Ghz range, I squeal.

I guess I'm just the perfect buyer for who they're marketing to - overclockers who don't want to spend a lot of money on individual components, and don't want a whole lot of trouble to be able to do it.

And I never said that the Phenom was a world beater. I'm just excited to see AMD get off their ass and release a quad core that overclocks well, and I think that might be why they're running off to 45nm.

Think about it, they just suffered a massive failure with the TLB bug. Now that they've fixed that, and their competitor's going 45nm, they're (hopefully) going to make sure that they do it right this time.

I am not a member of the AMD Church, I just believe in the market that they're selling to, and I'm largely a part of that market.

they suffered a massive failure with the phenom.. period.. they could have equally sold an underclocked version of the 65nm chip unlocked the multilier and sold to the "perfect market" at cheaper prices.. that would have overcloked wonderfully..

the point i make is the shrink didnt make the chips go any faster.. i see no reason to assume the phenom shrink will make it go any faster either..

the phenom is a failure.. tooo late and tooo slow.. they had one shot and they missed.. the bug isnt the problem.. the problem is the chip needs to run at least 50% faster than it does out of the box and then overclock some more.. ..

i should keep out of these misty eyed amd dreamer threads..

trog

 

[largon]

btarunr,
"Diffused in Germany or Singapore" means the silicon chip is fabricated in FAB36 (Dresden Germany) or Chartered 7 (Singapore). "Made in Malaysia or China" on the other hand is the assembly plant - AMD has 2 such plants: the older is in Penang (Malaysia), the newer is in Suzhou (China).

 

[candle_86]

they suffered a massive failure with the phenom.. period.. they could have equally sold an underclocked version of the 65nm chip unlocked the multilier and sold to the "perfect market" at cheaper prices.. that would have overcloked wonderfully..

the point i make is the shrink didnt make the chips go any faster.. i see no reason to assume the phenom shrink will make it go any faster either..

the phenom is a failure.. tooo late and tooo slow.. they had one shot and they missed.. the bug isnt the problem.. the problem is the chip needs to run at least 50% faster than it does out of the box and then overclock some more.. ..

i should keep out of these misty eyed amd dreamer threads..

trog

well clock for clock with out the TLB patch the phenom is faster than core2 when they downclocked it. Also the big reason overclocking would be better at 45nm has alot to do with the cache. A 4mb cache is huge and power hungry and runs hot, if you shrink it, the power drain is lower, heat is lower and you dont have to blow the board to push it. I could honestly say a die shrink would be a blessing for AMD right now. Also there tri-core is where its at, to be honest in this multithreaded world of today id rather have a tri core than a dual core anyday. AMD has a winner on there hands with that alone and with dully semprons spotted the Celeron just became old news again and worthless. Right now AMD holds the price/preformance war, as overclocking is luck of the draw, ive seen core2's hit 3ghz and fail past that, and ive seen them do 4ghz, its luck of the draw anytime with an OC, so that should never be a factor, stock preformace is where it matters, because if you get a shit ocer your screwed that simple, so right now AMD is standing very well, and id rather buy there stuff over Intel simply because i have never trusted intel and i never will, i cant forgive them for the death of my rig (in 2005, also there is a pun there, see if you can catch it)

 

[largon]

clock for clock (...) phenom is faster than core2

In a very limited group of applications it seems.

cache is huge and power hungry

Care to disclose the power consumption figures of the L2/L3 in Phenom since you can tell it's infact "power hungry". Atleast on 90nm K8 a 1MB L2 eats <10W... Anyways, fabrication process scale is not AMD's problem for what comes to L2 cache as with the introduction of K10 AMD's L2 has finally reached comparable to that of Intel's (~14mm^2/MB) - though, due to 45nm Penryn has left 65nm K10 far behind as it sports density of 6mm^2/MB. Too bad AMD's L3 lags ~30% behind their L2.

Celeron just became old news again and worthless

Conroe-L based E2000-series is old news too - but it surely isn't worthless. Sempron X2 is very, very late to the party.

overclocking is luck of the draw, ive seen core2's hit 3ghz and fail past that, and ive seen them do 4ghz

You need to update your knowledge about Core 2 OC'ing... Such overclocks with a GØ-stepping Conroes basically boils down to a bad mobo (VIA chipsets, eg.) or a clueless user.

stock preformace is where it matters

I think not.
I don't give a flying monkey's behind about stock performance.

PS.
I don't see the pun. Maybe it's the definition of the word I'm thinking...
Anyways, how did Intel cause your rig's death?

 

[trog100]

folks have to realize why cpus can overclock.. the manufacturer needs a safety margin.. lets say 10%.. they shouldnt really dare less.. only in desperation..

the high end amd chips are in desperation land.. the 6400+ is sold with less than the desired 10% safety margin.. so is the phenom..

so in the real world anything should clock up a bit within this 10% range..

so why do intel chips clock up 100% in extreme cases and even 50% at the high end.. simple.. they are sold underclocked in the first place..

intel simply set their chips to fit market slots and prices governed by amd.. its a rigged market.. u dont actually get what u pay for.. pure market manipulation..

in an honest world it wouldnt be possible to buy a cheap chip and make it go the same as an expensive chip.. all would be sold at their real performance with the standard 10% safety factor..

i think the amd tri-core if the price is right will sell.. the "any fool knows three is better than two" will see to that..

the phenom tri-core will have the edge over the intel dual.. the market believes the multicore scam.. its been brainwashed..

trog

 

[Widjaja]

folks have to realize why cpus can overclock.. the manufacturer needs a safety margin.. lets say 10%.. they shouldnt really dare less.. only in desperation..

the high end amd chips are in desperation land.. the 6400+ is sold with less than the desired 10% safety margin.. so is the phenom..

so in the real world anything should clock up a bit within this 10% range..

so why do intel chips clock up 100% in extreme cases and even 50% at the high end.. simple.. they are sold underclocked in the first place..

Good example:-
X2 3800+ vs X2 4800+ 939skt.

They both overclock to around the same limit.

 

[bakedinspace]

Well on the subject of the 9950, I hope to have mine benched as soon as my RAM, and heat sink get here.