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Phenom II (Vs. i7 and C2Q) gaming benchmarks

Discussion in 'General Hardware' started by Sonido, Dec 23, 2008.

  1. Sonido

    Sonido New Member

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    This is quite interesting. pcgameshardware.com has done some gaming benchmarks with these CPU's. I'm quite impressed with Deneb's performances. It almost matches the i7's 940 scores! It's a Phenom II 940 vs. i7 940 vs. C2Q 9550. The most interesting thing, however, is not how well Phenom II scales against i7's 940, but how C2Q 9550 scales with i7's 940.

    *Note*: The Intel platform is on DDR3, while the AMD is on DDR2. Also, this Phenom II is an ES. The final product's scores could be totally different (good or bad).

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    The first thing I noticed here was how great the Phenom II works here. I also noticed that the i7 didn't have that much of lead against it's last gen cousin.

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    In regards to the results above, I would say the same. It seems that if you currently have a C2Q there's really no need for an upgrade just yet. Unless, you're Fit. :toast: Hardware Junkie's UNITE!

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    Here is where you can see Intel's QPI really come into play. Even though the Phenom II is doing extremely well, Intel's interface of 6.4 GHz is really showing it's potential. HyperTransport 3.1 has already been ratified. It provides 3.2 GHz (6.4 Bi-directional) with performance pretty much even with QPI. (I will make a new post for this info, as it is quite interesting for those who want to upgrade to AM3.)

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    Again, Intel's QPI mixed in with DDR3 shows it's power, but Phenom II is doing incredibly well. I'm glad to say AMD has finally gotten off their asses, even if it's a bit late.

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    I believe this is totally due to the DDR3 setup. As even the C2Q beats out the i7's current flagship the 940. (There isn't an incredible amount of a lead by the i7 to begin with, but it is enough to edge out the C2Q gen.)

    Overall, I would say that the up and coming Phenom II will most certainly be one to look out for, being able to hold it's own against Intel's current flagship and proven C2Q. The Intel i7 940 is looking to be a beast, boasting an incredible 6.4 GHz link. If you have a C2Q 9000 series CPU, you can hold out until Sandy Bridge is out by 2H-3Q '09, or just go AMD ;)

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    The new line of AMD's still suck. Intel are just greatness.
     
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    Wow that is amazing. Considering how much cheaper an AMD platform is compared to an i7 platform. I am so glad I just ordered a DFI 790GX :D
     
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    this is good news hope this isn't smeared like some of the other benchies out there, i'm really looking forward to the p2 940 i want one reall bad lol

    although they're running the benches in some of these at higher res, could skew the bench given a gpu possible bottleneck, but hey whatever the numbers look good even at high res, it shows some competition with a much lower pricetag hopefully.
     
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    Apparently, I should of put up more hi-res images as you cannot see the potential of the Phenom II's. I'm not saying it will trump the i7's, in fact I think both are great. But, like I said, there's no point in upgrading from a Q9xxx to a current i7. I just think Deneb is what will bring AMD from the slums. Hopefully, this won't turn out to be another Barcelona.

    Sweet! How much did it run out? I'm going AM3 probably in 2H of '09. My rig is still going strong.
     
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    Don't make empty comments such as this. Did you even look at the graphs? Don't you find it suprising that PII actually beats a Core i7 with Crysis?!!
     
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    157$ after shipping. Got a DFI LanParty Dark 790GX. I would go AM3 but I don't think I could afford a board+DDR3.
     
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    I will wait for heavily multi-threaded games, and application before I say anything.

    Maybe the upcoming game Empire Total Wars.
     
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    I took a look but only a LITTLE better then the 920 and only 1-2 frames better then my Q9550. Seems my current quad will be fine for a while and still be getting the same frames as a 920/Phenom X4
     
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    I didn't find it surprising. For multithreaded things that can't use 8 cores, the HT actually makes it slower. It ends up mixing together Virtual cores with physical ones, due to the way Windows assigns the cores. Turn off HT, and the results are very different.
     
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    Actually I'm quite amazed with these results. Can't wait to get that 945 BE ES...just a few more days. :)
     
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    For the same price, so going by your first statement that would make me think anything in that price range sucks, including your proc?
     
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    CDdude55 Crazy 4 TPU!!!

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    Only a couple of frames apart, still happy to see AMD competing, nothing earth shattering tho:) still happy with my QX6700 for gaming.

    Core 2's should still be smoking for gaming for years to come.
     
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    Are these being dug up again!? Seriously I swear I've seen them before and just like before I want to ask the question:

    How is it impressive when the clocks are different? Are we supposed to be impressed by stock procs? :confused:
     
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    He's trying to fight the Bat! His relation to this thread is way off. I wanna know where did the i7's 920 come from..

    DDR3 is going to go down coming the end of this month. Since DDR2 is becoming cheaper and cheaper, DDR3 has to compete by lowering it's prices as well. Not to mention that DDR3 is becoming mainstream.

    Current games are barely doing multiprocessing; And the ones that do are only two threads. I doubt we will see that many games that utilize 4 threads, not to mention 8.

    I see what you are trying to say, but that comment was totally unnecessary. It barely had any relation to what I posted.
     
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    Because not everyone OC's, I know a lot of gamers who just leave their proc's and videocards as they sit. If you buy something good off the bat, the OC will help, but isn't needed by all to get 3-4 fps more.
     
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    Iv always preferred AMD, but I like having beastly setup and AMD couldint offer that after the rapeage of C2D and C2Q. This P2 940 is competing with a $500 intel processor! price/performance AMD will beat Intel this gen. (at least for a lil) because you will now get an unlocked multiplier CPU at 1/3 price of intel's unlocked multiplier, with reasonable competition.

    AMD(ATi) beat nVidia in cards (finally) and they will beat intel for processors (hopefully)
     
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    Yes and no--these speeds were chosen by AMD and Intel as optimal frequencies for these processors (not to say just in terms of performance and TDP... but things like future expansion of the line main, low, and high end versions as well). These processors are pretty much at the same freq (.07 MHz isn't going to do squat) and performing closely. You are correct, Binge. Scaling might be a different thing, but, you've seen the speeds Phenom II can hit. Even if it scales worst than i7's, it can hit a higher freq to hopefully match it.
     
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    I find it amazing that the old phenom did, too...
     
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    Not entirely false, but there's no actual virtual core. It's the extra ALU Intel thinks is really needed. With it off, you might actually get the same performance results. The thing is that, if Windows assigns 4 ALU's from two cores instead of one from each one, you can get a bottleneck. According to Intel, the redesign of HT with backside fixed that issue.
     
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    OK, I'm going AMD here, but don't kid yourself people. The PII is not a i7 killer. It will match Penryn, or maybe slightly better. It will be a good VALUE compared to Intel. Oh, and lets not turn this thread into a fanboy flame war. Let's just be happy that maybe...just maybe, AMD offered a processor worth buying this generation.
     
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    The i7 are marketed as enthusiast chips x58 is an enthusiast chipset. I've gotten more than 3-4 fps with my OC. People who do not OC will buy something OCed by a company for them if they really are gamers without the know-how. If there are just some careful kids who would not OC stuff their parents paid for MAYBE, but even as a kid 3.0GHz vs 2.8GHz would not be the same. But wait... I just forgot something! None of this matters because any kid without the access to OC his computer is probably in the same school system as the kid that can afford the XBox360, so he'll most likely own a console because that's what the little sh*ts talk about all day with their Gears of War and Halo.

    ::EDIT:: sorry Paul... someone reposted these scores... I had to comment.
     
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    It's a known issues with Windows.

    The Windows don't understand there are HT or Not, What it see are, 8 cores.
    And that's mean if your game/application support 2 threads, it will run on 1 core only.

    I'm getting tired with all these benchmark, and I already saw this days/weeks ago, someone else posted them here.

    Soon, Phenom II will come out, we will know soon.
     

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