Possible global cooling?

[gumpty]

Why is the ice mass in Antarctica expanding then if its warming?

Sea ice increasing, land ice decreasing.

Anyway I think we are egotistical to think we are effecting the Earth in a significant way in such a short time.

It is us.

 

[TheMailMan78]

Sea ice increasing, land ice decreasing.



It is us.

Thanks but thats somewhat of a biased site. I mean it even has a section of political views. Honestly I'm no science major so I couldn't argue anyway. I just look at it from a common sense view. I like to read from NASA and NOAA.

 

[Wrigleyvillain]

I already give all my money to my wife. Take it up with her.

Ah so the new rig is hers then?

And, again, I'm not really here to debate the cause and, yes, there planet goes through cycles but it sure seems somethings different lately and you really don't believe the presence of 7 billion+ people more and more of whom are industrialized has no real effect on the ecosystem as a whole? That's kind of ridiculous. What's more ridiculous is how this has become a political, right vs. left issue.

Small populated islands in the far reaches of the Pacific are disappearing under the sea for Christ's sake.

But hey I live in the middle of North America I'm not having kids so what do I really care?

 

[Easy Rhino]

How do global climate nazis account for tens of thousands of years of warming before humans existed on this planet?

 

[TheMailMan78]

Ah so the new rig is hers then?

And, again, I'm not really here to debate the cause and, yes, there planet goes through cycles but it sure seems somethings different lately and you really don't believe the presence of 7 billion+ people more and more of whom are industrialized has no real effect on the ecosystem as a whole? That's kind of ridiculous. What's more ridiculous is how this has become a political, right vs. left issue.

Small populated islands in the far reaches of the Pacific are disappearing under the sea for Christ's sake.

But hey I live in the middle of North America I'm not having kids so what do I really care?

No of course it has an effect. I'm no denier. I just think its not as big an effect as some claim.

How do global climate nazis account for tens of thousands of years of warming before humans existed on this planet?

They can't and thats kinda my point.

 

[Wrigleyvillain]

How do global climate nazis account for tens of thousands of years of warming before humans existed on this planet?

There's Godwin's Law. And from a mod. Please close thread.

 

[Easy Rhino]

Scientists have NO clue as to how the Earth naturally warms and cools. The Earth has existed for billions of years we are told and yet 100 years of actual data records kept by actual people is supposed to be enough to suggest humans are ruining the planet by creating societies that protect us from the elements.

 

[TheMailMan78]

Scientists have NO clue as to how the Earth naturally warms and cools. The Earth has existed for billions of years we are told and yet 100 years of actual data records kept by actual people is supposed to be enough to suggest humans are ruining the planet by creating societies that protect us from the elements.

They have issues predicting ocean currents and yet they know why the Earth is warming.

 

[Easy Rhino]

Next they are going to say the science is settled, the dinosaurs were warming the earth too much which is why they went extinct! they drove too many SUVs!!

 

[Damn_Smooth]

I'm still waiting for smoking and red meat to turn out to be good for you. And then I will laugh until I go in to my last coughing up blood fit and the cancer finally does me in. But that last laugh will be mine.

 

[Easy Rhino]

it is hard to take a lot of science "reports" seriously. im sure most of them mean well but every few years peer reviewed reports come out that are completely opposite of a prior report.

i think the key to life is just to live and do what makes you happy so long as it doesnt negatively impact anyone else. if you live your life by following scientific trends you will go bananas and likely die from too much stress. granted, they don't release a report saying stress is now good for you!

 

[m4gicfour]

it is hard to take a lot of science "reports" seriously. im sure most of them mean well but every few years peer reviewed reports come out that are completely opposite of a prior report.

i think the key to life is just to live and do what makes you happy so long as it doesnt negatively impact anyone else. if you live your life by following scientific trends you will go bananas and likely die from too much stress. granted, they don't release a report saying stress is now good for you!

They already have. Scientists have found that small, manageable amounts of stress are actually a mood elevator. I.E. a rat placed in a maze, able to smell cheese, will be less "depressed" after accomplishing the goal (finding the cheese) than a rat of similar disposition placed directly in a box with the cheese. Sense of accomplishment I guess

I know I'm going to be asked for source but it was on a television program so I don't have it. I'd google for it but I'm eating lunch

 

[Wrigleyvillain]

And the evolutionary reason for feeling stress is to help keep your hunting and gathering ass alive.

 

[Easy Rhino]

well i know that SOME stress is good for you. i was being facetious.

 

[m4gicfour]

well i know that SOME stress is good for you. i was being facetious.

I know. Don't ask me how they test a rat's mood, either. I leave the psychic readings to the real scientists

 

[Wrigleyvillain]

Brain scans I guess but that was pretty funny!

 

[W1zzard]

Scientists have NO clue as to how the Earth naturally warms and cools

actually we have a pretty good high-level idea.

decent summary

 

[Easy Rhino]

actually we have a pretty good high-level idea.

http://img.techpowerup.org/110620/Capture2173.jpg
decent summary

lol im talking about over the course of billions of years...

 

[sneekypeet]

lol im talking about over the course of billions of years...

I dont want to step in like I am trying to discredit your thoughts. With the model W1zz provided and core sampling, they get a good idea of the gasses present at that time, and the amounts of each. With what we know of most of those gases, we can make a pretty educated guess as to the climate and close to real life conditions at almost any moment in time. As with most science it is an educated guess until it can be physically proven as fact. Until we build a time machine, and educated guess is about as good as we are going to get

 

[W1zzard]

you can start with a molten mass at time -X and run the simulation from there for X years to reach today's conditions

 

[Easy Rhino]

I dont want to step in like I am trying to discredit your thoughts. With the model W1zz provided and core sampling, they get a good idea of the gasses present at that time, and the amounts of each. With what we know of most of those gases, we can make a pretty educated geuss as to the climate and close to real life conditions at almost any moment in time.

hrm...sure that chart works so long as you dont take into consideration an ever expanding universe.

 

[W1zzard]

hrm...sure that chart works so long as you dont take into consideration an ever expanding universe.

expansion of the universe is not significant for within galaxies which are bound by gravity

expansion of the universe does not increase distance between atoms in your body either

 

[Easy Rhino]

you are saying surrounding galaxies have no impact on the gravitation pull of our sun?

 

[W1zzard]

you are saying surrounding galaxies have no impact on the gravitation pull of our sun?

simplified: since the universe is the same in any direction you look (homogenic and isotropic), the gravity from the rest of the universe outside our galaxy is the same from all directions, which cancels each other

 

[Easy Rhino]

so the universe is NOT expanding?