REAL Phenom-II Benches!

[christof139]

I did have Medievil Total War 1 on my AMD rig.

As far as the upgrade path, even some of the AM2 board do not support the current Phenoms due to vendor support. It happens. Any Intel chipset from 975X and on can take current cpus, vendor dependent. 680i is the only relatively recent intel chipset that cannot take current cpus, and that's nVidia's fault, not Intel's.

AMD pulled the same socket switch that Intel is now with the 939 days. Top end on 939, bottom end on 754. Then when AM2 released, they abruptly dumped them.

AMD is no better than Intel in this respect. And while they may be focusing on retaining backwards compatibility now, don't you think that may have a bit to do with their cpus not being up to snuff with Intel? Seems like a wasted resource to me when you are this far behind. That development money would be better spent elsewhere. I know I'm sure willing to upgrade a board if there are perceivable benefits to doing so.

METWVI ONE will not run on NVIDIA 8000 series cards. I can if I want to give you the links to prove this to you. It is complete BS that METWVI ONE will run on any NVIDIA 8000 series and above video card. The troops move opposite to where you order them to go, the screen is all screwed-up, and with tweaks at best you can use the little overview screen to try and control your toops but that is a complete flop. There is a ton of info. available about this at the two well known METW and RTW mod sites.

Yes, some of the AM2 boards will not support the present Phenom CPU's but many do. I know what you mean about the jump from 754 to 939 and 940, but Intel made many more socket changes than AMD and many people have complained about this.

AMD is not that far behind Intel by any means, and the Opterons still are faster in the server market than the Intel Xeons. Fastest computers in the world are Opterons.

Many people and businesses are satisfied with the present line of AMD CPU's just as many are satisfied with Intel CPU's, just as in the past many people were satisfied with the slower Intel Prescotts and many people were not and liked the AMD Athlons better, same for the slow Intel PD's compared to the better Athlon X2's.

The more the merrier seems also to make for the better and CHEAPER.

Chris

 

[cdawall]

This GHz to GHz is very simple shit you just should pay attention.
PII is way way of in efficency even AMD prove that with THEIR OWN SLIDES they PERSONALY proved that PII at 3GHz is at same level as Q9XXX at 2.6 so it is not my point. For person that uses CPU at stock clocks it is OK product but what about all people here that we use ours CPU 24/7 OCed for the same money you chose PII capable of 4GHz (yet to be proven that CPU was not selected not to mention that AMD were promising Phenoms I at 3 GHz at even they show benches of those real PHANTOMS) and Q9XXX capable of 4GHz and if we take in consideration lower efficency of PII 3GHz to match 2.66 I don`t see salvation for AMD.

i should pay attention check my previous rigs i have run both AMD and intel do you think maybe just maybe i have scaling figured out? you cant compare ghz to ghz the way you are.


and why do you think i got thanks for my post? maybne because its wrong lol. click my HWBOT if you dont believe me

 

[christof139]

The metal technologies in the Intel cpus do not account for their IPC advantage. It accounts for their OCing and power profiles.

The pipeline design of the chip is what dictates it's IPC advantage. Along with branch prediction, cache routines, etc. Quite simply, Intel is still ahead there.

And if AMD keep just rehashing the old K8 design until 2010, they are digging their own grave. it is outdated.

Yeah, and the metal gateways have a lot to do with the speed of info. transfer. I bet there is not that much difference at all except for the metal in the silicon, and if there was than the AMD chips would be very poor performers and they are not. AMD has also made other as of now unknown changes and tweaks to the arcitecture and probably coding, but they have not realeased any info. other than stating they did this and tests are showing this to be true. If someone wants to spend over $1,000 for a CPU that only performs 10% - maybe 20% faster and sometimes the same % as a sub $300 or $200 chip then that is their perogative, as I and most people would rather do something else more worthwhile with my money.

Chris

 

[Wile E]

METWVI ONE will not run on NVIDIA 8000 series cards. I can if I want to give you the links to prove this to you. It is complete BS that METWVI ONE will run on any NVIDIA 8000 series and above video card. The troops move opposite to where you order them to go, the screen is all screwed-up, and with tweaks at best you can use the little overview screen to try and control your toops but that is a complete flop. There is a ton of info. available about this at the two well known METW and RTW mod sites.

Yes, some of the AM2 boards will not support the present Phenom CPU's but many do. I know what you mean about the jump from 754 to 939 and 940, but Intel made many more socket changes than AMD and many people have complained about this.

AMD is not that far behind Intel by any means, and the Opterons still are faster in the server market than the Intel Xeons. Fastest computers in the world are Opterons.

Many people and businesses are satisfied with the present line of AMD CPU's just as many are satisfied with Intel CPU's, just as in the past many people were satisfied with the slower Intel Prescotts and many people were not and liked the AMD Athlons better, same for the slow Intel PD's compared to the better Athlon X2's.

The more the merrier seems also to make for the better and CHEAPER.

Chris

My brother played completely thru METW1 on my AMD rig, which has a Palit 8800GT 1GB in it. Now, I don't play RTS games, so I don't know if that's Viking Invasion or what, but it is METW1. I just went down and checked the case. So that said, if we are even talking about the same game (which I'm not too sure we are), that situation is not a 100% repeatable one.

And as far as this AMD vs Intel thing, AMD's market share has been steadily declining since the release of Core 2. This is because of the enthusiast community. We may not account for the majority of sales, but we are the most vocal, and normal people see this, and it sways their decisions. AMD cannot afford to lose much more market share, so if PII is not able to clock as high, or cannot achieve the same price to performance as Intel, it's going to hurt them, even tho it wouldn't matter to normal users, the enthusiasts would bring the sales of PII down.

 

[[I.R.A]_FBi]

The technology of AMD is about the same technology that Intel has just released in their new CPU's and is actually more advanced than the Intel Core 2 line. What is giving AMD problems is the fact that they have not yet began to use hafnium or simialr metal gateways in their silicon as Intel has done for 2-years now, and this micro architechture is what actually made the Intel Core 2 line so good and effective and not Intel's Core 2 macro architecture whixh was more primitive than AMD's macro architechture used in the Athalon X2 and the Phenom I series.

christ, care to go deeper into this?

 

[Wile E]

Yeah, and the metal gateways have a lot to do with the speed of info. transfer. I bet there is not that much difference at all except for the metal in the silicon, and if there was than the AMD chips would be very poor performers and they are not. AMD has also made other as of now unknown changes and tweaks to the arcitecture and probably coding, but they have not realeased any info. other than stating they did this and tests are showing this to be true. If someone wants to spend over $1,000 for a CPU that only performs 10% - maybe 20% faster and sometimes the same % as a sub $300 or $200 chip then that is their perogative, as I and most people would rather do something else more worthwhile with my money.

Chris

Metal gateways have everything to do with achievable frequencies (thus the OCing comment) and the amount of power used. It has nothing to do with the fact that Intel does 4 IPC and AMD only does 3. That has everything to do with pipeline structure.

And compared to Intel, AMD is poor performing. Most people just don't need the extra processing power for mundane everyday tasks, so they'd never notice. People that do use their cpus to the extent of their abilities notice the difference very quickly. My old E6600 at 3.2GHz completely embarrassed my 6000+ at 3.5GHz. At the time, they both cost within $15 of each other.

 

[eidairaman1]

This seems to be a 1 Sided Topic which Intel Users are Speaking so i say the thread should be locked down, anyone agree?:shadedshu

Im going to say this right now I'm getting tired of the filibustering Intel users are doing, I mean ya Intel is in the lead, who cares anymore? Intel users seem to be Trolling every AMD Related topic anymore, if you can't stay out of topics that doesn't relate to the products you want then you have a serious ego problem that needs to be addressed.

 

[kid41212003]

There is no reason for it to be locked down, there is no rule violation.

 

[Wile E]

This seems to be a 1 Sided Topic which Intel Users are Speaking so i say the thread should be locked down, anyone agree?:shadedshu

Hey, I am only speaking in fact. I have no preference to brand. I just want what performs the best.

 

[eidairaman1]

Do you have a job I mean seriously look at the post count you have. There is no need for the pointless arguing that is going on here, that's the reason I said that. Some time ago this Site used to be cool, but if all the fanboys are bitching, it seems this site has dropped to a level of a Site I used to go to that will remain nameless and thus pushed me to move here and it seems I'm going to have to go find another Site to give people advice to.banghead:

 

[eidairaman1]

Hey, I am only speaking in fact. I have no preference to brand. I just want what performs the best.

Another Point is, Intel is this Intel is that, we already know that, stop talking about them, Iswear people would follow them if they had a religion, seems people are pushing this stuff into Fanaticism.

 

[kid41212003]

Do you have a job I mean seriously look at the post count you have. There is no need for the pointless arguing that is going on here, that's the reason I said that. Some time ago this Site used to be cool, but if all the fanboys are bitching, it seems this site has dropped to a level of a Site I used to go to that will remain nameless and thus pushed me to move here and it seems I'm going to have to go find another Site to give people advice to.banghead:

, and you were the person who asked the thread to be locked? You just attacked another member.

 

[BrooksyX]

So how about them Phenom II benches...

(trying to change the subject to back on topic )

 

[wolf2009]

So how about them Phenom II benches...

(trying to change the subject to back on topic )

look in the OP

 

[[I.R.A]_FBi]

yeah, them benches

 

[Wile E]

Do you have a job I mean seriously look at the post count you have. There is no need for the pointless arguing that is going on here, that's the reason I said that. Some time ago this Site used to be cool, but if all the fanboys are bitching, it seems this site has dropped to a level of a Site I used to go to that will remain nameless and thus pushed me to move here and it seems I'm going to have to go find another Site to give people advice to.banghead:

Yeah, I work 40hrs. It's called insomnia. There is no arguing or fanboyism going on from me. It is all debating and facts. Just because you don't like the facts, doesn't mean you need to attack me, or that the thread needs locked. Seems a bit immature to me.

Another Point is, Intel is this Intel is that, we already know that, stop talking about them, Iswear people would follow them if they had a religion, seems people are pushing this stuff into Fanaticism.

It's not fanaticism. Intel is better for OCers, power users, and enthusiasts like us, plain and simple. For normal people, it doesn't matter, and I have already stated that, but this forum is not populated with normal people.

Btw, I also own an AMD rig.

 

[BrooksyX]

look in the OP

I saw it, I was asking what you guys think.

 

[christof139]

So how about them Phenom II benches...

(trying to change the subject to back on topic )

Yeah, they look interesting and just fine.

There are also benches out for the Kuma Athlon X2 7750 and 7550 and they perform well and in most games near as well, as well, or better than some AMD and Intel quad cores at higher resolutions. Quite amazing.

Now, I don't know wheter to get the present X3 8750, or a X2 7750, or wait unitl the Phenom II X3's and X4's come out. By the end of next year there will be a lot of them floating around.

Chris

PS: Did any of you see the staements floating about that AND has apparently change some of their microarchitecture?? Seems they have from what I have read here and there.

 

[Wile E]

Yeah, they look interesting and just fine.

There are also benches out for the Kuma Athlon X2 7750 and 7550 and they perform well and in most games near as well, as well, or better than some AMD and Intel quad cores at higher resolutions. Quite amazing.

Now, I don't know wheter to get the present X3 8750, or a X2 7750, or wait unitl the Phenom II X3's and X4's come out. By the end of next year there will be a lot of them floating around.

Chris

I'd say wait for Phenom II.

 

[[I.R.A]_FBi]

Yeah, they look interesting and just fine.

There are also benches out for the Kuma Athlon X2 7750 and 7550 and they perform well and in most games near as well, as well, or better than some AMD and Intel quad cores at higher resolutions. Quite amazing.

Chris

At higher res cpu is being relied on less. also .. they're at a nice price point and nice cpu power but the energy usage sucks

 

[eidairaman1]

Yeah, I work 40hrs. It's called insomnia. There is no arguing or fanboyism going on from me. It is all debating and facts. Just because you don't like the facts, doesn't mean you need to attack me, or that the thread needs locked. Seems a bit immature to me.

It's not fanaticism. Intel is better for OCers, power users, and enthusiasts like us, plain and simple. For normal people, it doesn't matter, and I have already stated that, but this forum is not populated with normal people.

Btw, I also own an AMD rig.

Sorry you got flustered but this was to the Reply of Kid, but got to admit i loved how you called me an asshole and then changed the wording so quick as so you wouldn't get in trouble with the mods.

Just because 1 company is doing better than the other doesn't mean it needs to push it on them that's like oppression. Also I'm looking at it from this standpoint, if Company B is doing better than Company A and Company A falls thru, Company B will most likely not release anything better aka like Microsoft, and then Jack up the Pricing and then they will most likely fall thru because they cant maintain their business. People are more educated about Computers now then they were In the early 2000s/ Late 90s, but they still have yet to learn business practices of Monopolizing Corps.Look at During the Early 90s Late 80s, IBM Released the "First" PC, well They were Over Freaking 5000 Dollars, Then Came along IBM Compatible Machines that Seriously forced them to lower Prices to a Decent level, Along with Apple.

 

[Binge]

NO!

They proved that the Phenom II performs equivalently to a processor for about £900 cheaper


Phenom II 940: about £150-£200
Qx9770: £1,092.49

http://overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=CP-217-IN



Qx9000 series are expensive, you need to be able to afford them before you could OC them to 4 GHz whether they made efficiency versions or not!

A QX9770 is not the greatest proc intel made... it just has an unlocked multi.

 

[christof139]

At higher res cpu is being relied on less. also .. they're at a nice price point but the power usage sucks

Yeah, I saw that the power usage was high, but I could live with that as they performed well on all tests. Similar to the Prescotts in a way concerning the heat and power usage. Thy're just stop gaps anyway until the new X2's come out in June. Just about every review I read has given them good ratings per the tests.

For ~$80 it would be OK and interesting for awhile until the newer Phenom II X3's and X4's come out.

I still have an E4700 system to put together, and a new PD 940 to either sell or replace my P4 571 Pres. in a BTX system. The 571 is nice stock.

Chris

 

[kid41212003]

No one's talking about business here, we're talking about Phenom II.

People buy HD4000 series, because of its performance and price, if AMD cpu can do the same, everyone would buy it. It's simple.

It's not our fault that AMD can't put out a CPU to compete with Intel, it's their business.
They need to put out an CPU that perform better, at a reasonable price.

We don't talk about Dragon platform, we're talking about a single CPU, and how it competes with the current Intel cpu.

 

[Wile E]

Sorry you got flustered but this was to the Reply of Kid, but got to admit i loved how you called me an asshole and then changed the wording so quick as so you wouldn't get in trouble with the mods.

Just because 1 company is doing better than the other doesn't mean it needs to push it on them that's like oppression. Also I'm looking at it from this standpoint, if Company B is doing better than Company A and Company A falls thru, Company B will most likely not release anything better aka like Microsoft, and then Jack up the Pricing and then they will most likely fall thru because they cant maintain their business. People are more educated about Computers now then they were In the early 2000s/ Late 90s, but they still have yet to learn business practices of Monopolizing Corps.

I called you an asshole, then realized that I don't really think you are one. It was just an asshole-ish comment, coming from someone I really don't have a problem with, so I reworded it. Trust me, if I really thought you were an asshole, I would've left it.

As far as the topic, I started off just pointing out flaws in the benches, and then making the obvious clock to clock comparisons between PII and Yorkfield. I still just think that AMD needs to do better. I really want them to release a product that's competitive in terms of performance per clock and OCability. Even if they adjust their prices to make a good price to performance comparison to Intel, Intel can just do the same, and if they are still behind on the performance per clock area, and can't OC far enough to compensate, the majority of the enthusiast community is going to continue to hammer them. That's bad publicity, and it's gonna hurt AMD even more.

They need something bigger than what these preliminary PII benches are showing us.