Shogun 2 : total war

[entropy13]

Only a costly victory is possible, but you can't replicate the results of what really happened (except a different side winning)?

What really happened? Well 81k v. 88k. The 88k won with minimal casualties and the 81k around 32k casualties. lol

 

[yogurt_21]

intesting, didn't try the demo but I haven't met a battle i couldn't win in the tw series in a long time. Playign the original shogun tw for 1000+ hours seems to give you an edge on how things work in their games.

 

[Easy Rhino]

well i think i will be purchasing it later tonight on steam. of course, im hoping it is a midnight release but knowing my luck and steams track record im not holding my breath.

 

[alucasa]

well i think i will be purchasing it later tonight on steam. of course, im hoping it is a midnight release but knowing my luck and steams track record im not holding my breath.

The Shogun 2 product page on my Steam says it has 18 hours until unlock which translates to about 9AM tomorrow.

 

[Mr McC]

Some gameplay footage:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-pRkx7fIdQ

 

[crazyeyesreaper]

the Historical Battle is not impossible it can be won, your at a disadvantage use tactics and terrain to your advantage,

you have superior cavalry root the enemy in place with yari ashigaru and katana troops then surround and attack them from behind with cavalry the Historical battle can be easily wont with proper tactics. This isnt your kiddie game where you smash your force against another and watch an arcade battle that has no tactics and you win anyway because it was designed for you to always win. lol its a historical battle you play the side that got its ass HANDED to it royally, think outside the box a little

 

[erocker]

I'm a horrible RTS player. That being said, I absolutely loved the opening cinematic of the demo. Very awesome.

 

[crazyeyesreaper]

nothing really RTS about it erocker, its rock paper scissors play it as such and you epic win lol

 

[Easy Rhino]

is there a way on steam to set it to automatically start downloading when it becomes available? like if it is preordered it just sits in a queue but you have to actually activate it. id rather have steam start to download automagically.

 

[crazyeyesreaper]

lol im not sure if that can be done or not im waiting for my Discs to arrive, i bought the limited edition because steam dosent offer it, aka i want the other faction that ordering on steam screws me out of especially at the same price.

 

[alucasa]

is there a way on steam to set it to automatically start downloading when it becomes available? like if it is preordered it just sits in a queue but you have to actually activate it. id rather have steam start to download automagically.

Nope. It's strange that they didn't let users pre-load it since they do that for pretty much all popular titles. I guess the publisher didn't approve it.

 

[Easy Rhino]

lol im not sure if that can be done or not im waiting for my Discs to arrive, i bought the limited edition because steam dosent offer it, aka i want the other faction that ordering on steam screws me out of especially at the same price.

all of the factions will be playable after the mods start coming out for it. just like all of the other total wars.

 

[crazyeyesreaper]

well sort of Hattori faction is exclusive to Limited edition i will not pay for it off steam as DLC when its the same price as the regular version, and you cant add what dosent exist, last of what im aware the Hattori faction are a few extra files, and Shogun II is now using a full binary system so it will be far harder to access data of that type. Overall we shall see but i at least wanted the full faction list without having to pay extra so i can easily wait an extra day.

 

[alucasa]

Hattori leads a faction in shogun 2?

Hah.

 

[crazyeyesreaper]

yea the Iga Ninjas were predominately leg by the Hattori or at least there famous ninja from that region, so the Hattori faction of Iga will be playable with the limited edition, where as in the non limited edition there just a generic faction with nothing special about them.

historical battle dosent interest me, as Shogun the original did them far better
and the extra 1000 koku from bestbuy or w.e i dont need either, but i do prefer to have the full faction list.

 

[Mr McC]

yea the Iga Ninjas were predominately leg by the Hattori or at least there famous ninja from that region, so the Hattori faction of Iga will be playable with the limited edition, where as in the non limited edition there just a generic faction with nothing special about them.

historical battle dosent interest me, as Shogun the original did them far better
and the extra 1000 koku from bestbuy or w.e i dont need either, but i do prefer to have the full faction list.

I would also like the full faction list, will this be released later as DLC on Steam? It seems a lot of others are concerned about this issue:

http://forums.steampowered.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1770997

 

[crazyeyesreaper]

no idea how there gonna handle it but this is why i ordered my hard copy version, to me it seems Creative Assembly screwed the pooch tired of bestbuy and gamestop deals on extra content steam users should be rewarded as well because of steam they actually see a higher profit margin from there product then the physical boxed copy. Kinda mind numbing ignorant to reward brick and mortor with stupid crap and screw the end customer over who wanted ease of use, and gives you more money respectively

 

[Easy Rhino]

business strategy aside, i think i will head down to gamestop and pickup a hardcopy tomorrow. i would also like the added clan for the same price out of the gate. i mean, it really makes no difference to me except possibly the price of gas. gamestop is 8 miles away. so 16 miles round trip. i can be in and out of there and back in my house installing in about 25 minutes. it will take about an hour to download/install this game using steam under the best conditions. so the only thing i am losing out on is the amount of gas i will burn driving 16 miles which for me is about a half gallon or at the going rate $3.59/2 = $1.80. is $1.80 worth the time i will save downloading and installing the extra content? you betcha!

 

[crazyeyesreaper]

damn right its why i pre ordered off amazon 2 months + ago ill get my LE tomorrow around 5pm

 

[yogurt_21]

I'm a horrible RTS player. That being said, I absolutely loved the opening cinematic of the demo. Very awesome.

the original was full of cinematics, all assaninations, spy infiltrations, sabotages, as well as displomatic requests were all done by cinematics.

I found it alot more immersive than later total war titles.

also shogun was always a shorter campaign due to how few areas there were to conquer that always helped with the "casual rts" gamer rather than the more hardcore type.

yea the Iga Ninjas were predominately leg by the Hattori or at least there famous ninja from that region, so the Hattori faction of Iga will be playable with the limited edition, where as in the non limited edition there just a generic faction with nothing special about them.

historical battle dosent interest me, as Shogun the original did them far better
and the extra 1000 koku from bestbuy or w.e i dont need either, but i do prefer to have the full faction list.

might be an argumetn against the steam copy due to auto update, but with all previous total wars all you had to do was edit a file to make all factions playable. doubt this will be different.

 

[Easy Rhino]

hopefully tomorrow night we can get a group of us together and slaughter some noobs in a match.

 

[crazyeyesreaper]

yea see the way it works now with shogun II is every minor faction is a seperate faction this time around that has full diplomatic ability etc, Hattori faction is either playable or not, theres no magical check box this time around, Creative Assembly kicked modding to the curb with Shogun II via EVERYTHING being Binary system now, meaning you cant just unlock the Hattori faction like before, with a simple txt edit, the days we could do that are gone, we can edit troop sizes and the like but not much else, they did things this way because of the rampant piracy of Empire Total Wars, DLC packs. thus everyones getting screwed in the ass this time around.

litterally you could make the hattori faction playable in a sense maybe, but they wouldnt get there faction specific colors or there bonuses, among other things, meaning most of the options that make them another faction worth playing get stripped away as well.

now if someone pirated the LE then yea they would have the files on hand to use the faction but in terms of a simple edit that wont work this time. Because all factions are playable from the get go, always have been, Medieval II, Empire, Napoleon, and now Shogun II all main factions are playable from the get go, it was only Rome that you had to beat the game with the Romans or, edit a txt file to unlock them all.

 

[yogurt_21]

yea see the way it works now with shogun II is every minor faction is a seperate faction this time around that has full diplomatic ability etc, Hattori faction is either playable or not, theres no magical check box this time around, Creative Assembly kicked modding to the curb with Shogun II via EVERYTHING being Binary system now, meaning you cant just unlock the Hattori faction like before, with a simple txt edit, the days we could do that are gone, we can edit troop sizes and the like but not much else, they did things this way because of the rampant piracy of Empire Total Wars, DLC packs. thus everyones getting screwed in the ass this time around.

meh the only difference between .txt and .bin is the editor you use to open it. won't be much longer after the game launches that you can unlock the other factions.

there's only 2 ways to restrict version 1 is have it pre-installed and unlock it with a command once the item is purchased, version 2 is to have the content sperate and downloaded after purchase in the case of dlc it's only a few files. In the case of 2 it just takes 1 leak and everyone has it which is why most opt for version 1 and try to use more daunting commands for the unlock. (or do it with steam and not allow modified games to launch)

in any case pushing towards dlc will just make me wait for a combined pack with expansion as will many others and they'll lose out on as epic a launch as they would have had they not tried to be douchebags.

 

[crazyeyesreaper]

pretty much, but since Limited edition is the same price as the regular on steam, i ordered off amazon got it $5 cheaper and it will arrive here tomorrow. so it was win win for me no real downside. That said it is agian BS, they are kicking the users who actually give them more money in the nuts. lol makes no sense,

 

[alucasa]

Personally, I don't care to Hazo's faction. I usually pick one of weakest clans available in a scenario and make their days glorious.
Though I never play as Uesugi since I admire Uesugi Kenshin as well as Naoe Kanetsugu. I can never imagine myself playing as him. I generally never attack Uesugi lands, either, lol