Something is wrong and I think it is the vid card...

de.das.dude · Jun 30, 2010

Its your RAM i think.

FordGT90Concept · Jun 30, 2010

One (or more) of the chips aren't stable with a 50 MHz overclock.

If the PSU was the problem, it would have acted up when the CPU and GPU were under 100% load. There was no difference with or without the CPU loaded--even in temps. The only thing that makes a difference is that minor adjustment in clockspeeds.

AlthonMicro told me to reinstall the Catalyst drivers, which I did, and it is still unstable at factory default (875/1250).

overclocking101 · Jul 1, 2010

if it was the ram it would be quite obvious. this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hfrWBKltCI0&feature=player_embedded shows you what happens when the memory is unstable. i mean if thats what you want to believe more power to you but thats not what it is.

FordGT90Concept · Jul 15, 2010

If it isn't the RAM, it's the GPU, either way, it is a hardware issue. The card will be shipped out on RMA Friday morning.

yogurt_21 · Jul 15, 2010

even if it is the card might be worth checking your comps power draw with a kil-a-watt. I remeber that my 620w liberty wouldn't run an am2 with crossfire x1800's.

as a reference two x1800's pull around 220watts at load. and the cpu was pulling far less than yours as it was my fx-62 at stock, 125w tdp vs your 130w tdp at stock and yours is at 4GHZ so pulling much more than that.

according to wiz's review the 5870 pulls 166w load and 212w maximum, combien that with you're oced cpu and you're either at or over my x1800 crossfire load which the liberty couldn't handle

so check the power load with a kil-a-watt and see. You can still rma the card but if they say it's fine, you need to try the rig with a newer psu of the same or higher wattage.

FordGT90Concept · Aug 11, 2010

I got the card back on RMA about two weeks ago and it has been working great. It does not appear to be the same card I sent them (they originally sent me one with a bent bracket--this one isn't bent at all). It is stable (at least 30 minutes, user stopped, max temp of 78C), at stock (875/1250, factory overclock), in FurMark.

My CPU is at stock and always has been. My system draws probably 350W max which is 56.4% of the PSU's capability. The Liberty 620w can handle well over 700w burst power (e.g. for on startup). Ideal PSU load is between 30-70% (peak efficiency is around 50%). It's perfect.

DannibusX · Aug 11, 2010

Excellent, Ford. Glad it's fixed.

FordGT90Concept · Oct 12, 2010

I was playing Empire Earth and it did it again (first time on this card). I'm going to have to RMA it AGAIN (third RMA).

It only worked flawlessly for two months to the day.

Solaris17 · Oct 12, 2010

3 RMA's its not the card. check the mobo or PSU. check caps and fets/controllers around the PCI-E slots and of course the power phases on the board itself.

FordGT90Concept · Oct 12, 2010

If it were something wrong with the system, why would changing the card with the exact same model fix it for 2 months?

Solaris17 · Oct 12, 2010

FordGT90Concept said:
If it were something wrong with the system, why would changing the card with the exact same model fix it for 2 months?

because if you have weak regulators, caps or a fluctuating PSU then your slowely deteriorating the card until it starts to fail because everything is out of spec.

Goodman · Oct 12, 2010

Solaris17 said:
3 RMA's its not the card. check the mobo or PSU. check caps and fets/controllers around the PCI-E slots and of course the power phases on the board itself.

because if you have weak regulators, caps or a fluctuating PSU then your slowely deteriorating the card until it starts to fail because everything is out of spec.

I agree 100% on this

FordGT90Concept · Oct 12, 2010

Solaris17 said:
because if you have weak regulators, caps or a fluctuating PSU then your slowely deteriorating the card until it starts to fail because everything is out of spec.

The system started out with a 8800 GT that was BSODing (RMA'd and the returned card went in a different machine).

The first card had a fan going noisy and I don't remember what else (it was the reference design).

The second card did it pretty much the day I got it.

I had a HD 5670 in there during the RMA process and it presented no problems.

The third card worked fine for two months then it starts displaying the same problems as the second.

I should also note that sometimes, when I cold boot the computer, the power LED slowly flashes and the computer never actually starts. I have to either hit reset or hold the power button down and try again (it always successfully boots on the second go).

Hmm...

If/when it does it again, maybe I should move the HD 5870 to another computer and see if it artifacts too. If it doesn't, it's my motherboard or PSU, if it does, it is the card.

Solaris17 · Oct 12, 2010

FordGT90Concept said:
The system started out with a 8800 GT that was BSODing (RMA'd and the returned card went in a different machine).

The first card had a fan going noisy and I don't remember what else (it was the reference design).

The second card did it pretty much the day I got it.

I had a HD 5670 in there during the RMA process and it presented no problems.

The third card worked fine for two months then it starts displaying the same problems as the second.

I should also note that sometimes, when I cold boot the computer, the power LED slowly flashes and the computer never actually starts. I have to either hit reset or hold the power button down and try again (it always successfully boots on the second go).

Hmm...

If/when it does it again, maybe I should move the HD 5870 to another computer and see if it artifacts too. If it doesn't, it's my motherboard or PSU, if it does, it is the card.

thats a good start for sure.

Mathragh · Oct 12, 2010

I got the same issues as you described while i accidentally turned down the voltage from 1.1V to 1.0V at 3D clocks.(i made the mistake quite often >.> so i got to recognise it pretty quickly)

So I agree here, if the card isnt the problem, then surely your Mobo or PSU just isnt providing adequate power.

FordGT90Concept · Oct 12, 2010

You'd think that I'd have more problems (like CPU would die) if it were the PSU and it would happen during higher-load times (like when I was playing Mafia II). I think that if it isn't the card, it has to be the motherboard.

I played Empire Earth for about 4 hours and it hasn't done it again. I might run Furmark the coax it out in a few hours. If Furmark can make the card do its thing then that's easy to check on the other computer too (run Furmark and see if the exact same thing happens).

AsRock · Oct 12, 2010

Mussels said:
its not the 25Mhz it cant take, but that its likely just got the wrong voltagse set at stock. when you change the clocks its over-riding them with voltages set by the CCC, not by the BIOS (changing from low 3D volts to high 3D volts, etc)

+2

I have had what GT's getting with 2900XT and 4890 when voltage was not high enough for the GPU clock speed.

Lowering the GPU \ mem speed would solve the issue or higher voltages.

FordGT90Concept · Oct 12, 2010

Exactly that (the vertical bars in my picture)? They can be different colors depending on what was showing when it happened.

cheezburger · Oct 12, 2010

FordGT90Concept said:
Wha? Won't that void the warranty? Also, it is a Vapor-X non-reference Sapphire design. I don't know if it would still classify as "early."

I think I'll run FarMark for an hour and see how that goes...

vapor-x came out shorty after reference so pretty much they all use the same bios consider any 58xx that manufactured before week 34 are all used the reference bios. so best bet you are on the bad bios..congratulation! also it may be the driver issue and the bug in the game that conflicts with driver/bios which cause crash or frozen/non respond. try to update the new driver to see if it works better plus flash the bios too + DLing the newest game patch.

and about warranty, as long as you flash it back they won't find out...trust me they won't..

FordGT90Concept · Oct 13, 2010

The game has played at least 30 hours without any problems and it is already current. I could/should try updating the drivers but that isn't likely to fix the hardware problem.

Edit: Furmark ran for exactly an hour with a peak temp of 74C. It did not glitch at all during that time. :confused:

Mathragh · Oct 13, 2010

FordGT90Concept said:
Edit: Furmark ran for exactly an hour with a peak temp of 74C. It did not glitch at all during that time.

Its probably more likely to be caused by sudden power usage changes then, like going from a non graphic intense scene to a very graphic intense scene.

and even then, it probably based in chance aswell.

cant you measure the voltage on your gpu somewhere on your graphics card during load?
It might show a sudden drop in voltages at some point.

FordGT90Concept · Oct 22, 2010

I'm thinking it's not the graphics card. It is something else but I don't know what. Fallout New Vegas has done the same thing three times (about once a day) but what's different is the entire computer locks up (audio freezes, the bars appear). I find if I let it sit for about 10-15 seconds, it goes back to normal like nothing ever happened. If it were the GPU to blame, you'd think the audio wouldn't lock up either. I think USB/Windows locks up too because ctrl+alt+del doesn't work until it resumes.

I've not seen any BSODs.

What application would show the GPU volts vs time?

Edit: It did it again in Fallout New Vegas but this time, I had to hard restart. It didn't snap out of it.

Edit: After upgrading to Catalyst 10.10, it hasn't done it again. Instead, the game just locks up (AppHangB1) but I still hear the audio loop just like it did before. I can ctrl+alt+del to and terminate Fallout without having to hard restart the computer. I guess that means the graphics drivers have something to do with it.

Edit: Nope, did it again. :confused:

Edit: And it's right back to the vid card. While playing FNV, it went to the nasty screen, then left, then dumped to the desktop with a crash message and Windows balloon saying the AMD display driver stopped responding and was recovered.

Deleted member 67555 · Oct 25, 2010

That usually happens when you OC to much...maybe it can't handle the factory OC or again the Voltages are off or your PSU isn't stable enough

FordGT90Concept · Oct 25, 2010

I put the factory overclock back down to stock (850/1200) last night. I don't think it did it again but I really haven't played enough for it to happen.

What's odd is that it always happens when GPU load really isn't that great. One time it did it, I went into ATI Overdrive and the temp was still like 32C. The card was pratically idle. Under great load (70C in Furmark) it didn't do it.

It has to be something with my computer though because I don't hear about people having the same problems.

I don't have a spare PSU powerful enough to run my system.

brandonwh64 · Oct 25, 2010

Check ram timings and voltages, also download memtest86 and burn it to a Cd then boot with it and let it run for about 2-4 hours to see if it errors, if so then its the ram. also could be something on your DFI board going out.

I didnt read the entire thread so before i get flamed for going over more info i thought i should mention that LOL

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