Stop the Internet Blacklist

[1Kurgan1]

I just heard about this and I can't believe what I am seeing here, I'll be signing the petition myself, I hope the rest of you do as well, this is unreal!

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The Senate Judiciary Committee has scheduled a markup Nov. 18 on S. 3804, Combating Online Infringement and Counterfeits Act.

Remember to contact your representatives to let them know your opinion on the proposed bill. To find out who are the senators on your state and their contact information, you can visit the U.S. Senate website, by clicking here

In the United States, a new law proposal called The Combating Online Infringement and Counterfeits Act (COICA) was introduced last week, and there will be a hearing in front of the Judiciary Committee this Thursday.

If passed, this law will allow the government, under the command of the media companies, to censor the internet as they see fit, like China and Iran do, with the difference that the sites they decide to censor will be completely removed from the internet and not just in the US.

http://demandprogress.org/blacklist/

edit by w1zzard: bill text is here: http://www.govtrack.us/congress/billtext.xpd?bill=s111-3804
PLEASE read it. it's short

 

[FordGT90Concept]

I already did...
New US internet blacklist bill introduced (COICA)

 

[digibucc]

with the difference that the sites they decide to censor will be completely removed from the internet and not just in the US.

us sites makes sense, but how could they "delete" international sites?

 

[Munki]

us sites makes sense, but how could they "delete" international sites?

I think its technically because the US has complete control over the internet. I guess?

 

[digibucc]

I think its technically because the US has complete control over the internet. I guess?

how did i not know that? i would assume us has the MOST control over the internet, but i can't possibly believe they have COMPLETE control. I don't see how that is even possible, the internet is a technology, not an entity. even if they did control the entity of what we know as "the internet" (which they don't) , the fact that it is a technology understood technically by many many people across the world - means i don't see how they can really control it, just the current implementation.

that's like saying goodyear controls all tires in the world. yeah maybe they are the biggest, and have the most resources to continue - but they don't control the technology, they are just the most prolific.

 

[Frick]

I think its technically because the US has complete control over the internet. I guess?

They don't. What about sites that are hosted in other nations?

 

[KainXS]

damn this is gonna seriously suck

wheres TPU's servers?

 

[W1zzard]

doesnt the bill specifically say "dedicated to illegal file sharing" ? if yes then those sites are already illegal in the us and will be taken down by ANY hosting provider in the us already

dmca complaints work really well unless you get some hosting at special isps that dont care about them - and those isps are outside of the us anyway

 

[Reefer86]

its refering to deleting US websites, ie stopping there providers, which would of cause stop other countries seeing them if they don't exist, its just worded for those that no nothing about the internet, tech or that servers actually host websites.

basicly the internet is not governed or owned by anyone. but if the hosting is in that country then the government of that country can take them to court to remove it.

 

[KainXS]

you know I cannot seriously see this happening only for file sharing wiz I call BS on that, I know how my country works and i can see the BS coming

 

[Munki]

how did i not know that? i would assume us has the MOST control over the internet, but i can't possibly believe they have COMPLETE control. I don't see how that is even possible, the internet is a technology, not an entity. even if they did control the entity of what we know as "the internet" (which they don't) , the fact that it is a technology understood technically by many many people across the world - means i don't see how they can really control it, just the current implementation.

that's like saying goodyear controls all tires in the world. yeah maybe they are the biggest, and have the most resources to continue - but they don't control the technology, they are just the most prolific.

They don't. What about sites that are hosted in other nations?

I'll just back down to my comment cause I can't remember enough to hold a intelligent argument.

 

[W1zzard]

where is the text of this bill ?

 

[KainXS]

If I had to guess I would say the IANA controls the internet and it has ties to the US Government

its been a problem for a long time that should be fixed before they step into this pile of horsesh*t

 

[REDDLINE]

What the US will be doing is exactly like the internet censorship in the People's Republic of China, They not only block access to a website but monitor many things the People are currently browsing.

These are technically the rules of the internet that China has in place:

No unit or individual may use the Internet to create, replicate, retrieve, or transmit the following kinds of information:
Inciting to resist or breaking the Constitution or laws or the implementation of administrative regulations;
Inciting to overthrow the government or the socialist system;
Inciting division of the country, harming national unification;
Inciting hatred or discrimination among nationalities or harming the unity of the nationalities;
Making falsehoods or distorting the truth, spreading rumors, destroying the order of society;
Promoting feudal superstitions, sexually suggestive material, gambling, violence, murder;
Terrorism or inciting others to criminal activity; openly insulting other people or distorting the truth to slander people;
Injuring the reputation of state organizations;
Other activities against the Constitution, laws or administrative regulations.

Which includes anything related to those topics, so many things about other countries too.

If it does happen, many things will change.

 

[REDDLINE]

So really, they arent shutting down websites, they are just making it inaccessible within the country.

 

[digibucc]

I'll just back down to my comment cause I can't remember enough to hold a intelligent argument.

most people would argue unintelligibly regardless, i would do as you.

 

[W1zzard]

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/billtext.xpd?bill=s111-3804

full text of the bill

 

[Batou1986]

Basically if this passes they will have the power to restrict access to anything some stupid government agency decided is not fit for us to see.

The stupid ass ppl in Hollywood trying to wrestle more money from our pockets only see this as a way to stop piracy, they never stop to think what would happen when the government has free reign over the web past the scope of there interests.

I think i'll be writing to my congressman soon and i encourage everyone else here in the future USSA to do so as well.

Didnt Obama recently position someone as the Internet czar ?

 

[W1zzard]

guys PLEASE READ THE TEXT OF THE BILL

 

[digibucc]

guys PLEASE READ THE TEXT OF THE BILL

really. it's very specific and very short.

 

[W1zzard]

the only new thing is that they may modify DNS records for evil websites.

so when going to www.thepiratebay.org you end up where the forum link takes you instead of the intended site. using an ip address would still work

even when in effect the bill would not do anything it intends to achieve. it will stop people who cant google "how to bypass COICA" from downloading illegal music, everyone else will still be fine

 

[Batou1986]

There are limitations in this bill, but what you guys who are saying well it don't say anything about censoring the internet don't realize is how every time they pass something like this it always seems to deviate into a big issue like the Patriot Act for example.

As for the piracy problems there are better ways to deal with that.
Secondly there's a lot of stuff shared p2p that's legal content which would be swept under the rug with all the illegal stuff because of this.

This solution is about as smart as buying a new car because you got a flat tire.

 

[REDDLINE]

it will stop people like your grandma from downloading illegal music, everyone else will still be fine

Hah, made me lol.

 

[W1zzard]

Secondly there's a lot of stuff shared p2p that's legal content which would be swept under the rug with all the illegal stuff because of this.

from the bill:

Internet sites dedicated to infringing activities

[...] an Internet site is ‘dedicated to infringing activities’ if such site--

[...]
‘(A) primarily designed, has no demonstrable, commercially significant purpose or use other than, or is marketed by its operator, [...]

 

[Wile E]

I'm against it. I'm pretty much just against the govt censoring anything. The govt likes to twist things, so how long before this censorship bleeds over into other types of websites?

That said, it's not that huge of a deal, as it will likely be easily bypassed.