System build, Do you think it will be good?

[Cooldog]

For Under $350 on what I'm Buying
Do you think that this would be a good build for a gaming comp to play game like supreme commander? or do you Think there's something better for the Money From http://www.Newegg.com ?
And It should give me a Huge boost from my old system right?, Look Under "System Specs" for old System.
Buying:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103471
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813138128

Note that i haven't bought them yet.

Planing to Buy Soon:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820145590

Already Have and Going to Use:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814125083
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820145590

And I'm not that good in seeing if they work together, but from what I looked at they do.

Not Sure if the Power can run it all:
Thermaltake TR2 W0070RUC 430W ATX Power Supply

 

[LittleLizard]

yes, they are going to work together, but i dunno if the motherboard will support the phenom 2 out of the box, maybe it will need a bios udpated. u have another am2 cpu to flash the bios ?

 

[Cooldog]

yes, they are going to work together, but i dunno if the motherboard will support the phenom 2 out of the box, maybe it will need a bios udpated. u have another am2 cpu to flash the bios ?

Im not sure if it means anything but the motherboard and the CPU was in a combo deal.

I have a AM2 that i was using.

 

[Altered]

If your not dead set on AMD this would be a better choice for the roughly $300 you have on a motherboard and cpu.
You have a $275 mobo and a $100 mobo that $375.00
Intel Core 2 Duo E8500 Wolfdale 3.16GHz 6MB L2 Cache $187.00
Just about any P35 or P45 board many good ones to chose at the $100.00 mark
That leaves $88 bucks toward a better video card. Many 8800 series cards are getting down to this area with mfr and sales and they are way faster than your card.

The CPU you picked is good but way way over kill not that this 8500 isn't is is a extremely good chip.

Just my .02

Thats a good point on the combo deals you might find a deal to save enough to get a new VGA card as well.

 

[spearman914]

If your not dead set on AMD this would be a better choice for the roughly $300 you have on a motherboard and cpu.
You have a $275 mobo and a $100 mobo that $375.00
Intel Core 2 Duo E8500 Wolfdale 3.16GHz 6MB L2 Cache $187.00
Just about any P35 or P45 board many good ones to chose at the $100.00 mark
That leaves $88 bucks toward a better video card. Many 8800 series cards are getting down to this area with mfr and sales and they are way faster than your card.

The CPU you picked is good but way way over kill not that this 8500 isn't is is a extremely good chip.

Just my .02

Thats a good point on the combo deals you might find a deal to save enough to get a new VGA card as well.

The $88 left over, u should be able to get a $90 4830, if not $90 MIR 4830 on egg.

 

[Cooldog]

If your not dead set on AMD

Only reason i chose AMD was to stick with what i already had, bud ill look into getting Intel, it would be a change for me.

The CPU you picked is good but way way over kill

i chose the possessor because i didn't want to be kicked out of games on supreme commander for have a comp that was to slow, and my 2.1 GHz CPU was to Slow and i was trying to get the best so i didn't have to buy another in a couple years when even Better games come out.

 

[LittleLizard]

the phenom 2 is perfect for what u want, my only concern was the mobo, but if was a combo deal i guess it comes with the latest bios, if not, well, just put ur old cpu and flash it, then put the phenom and be happy

 

[Cooldog]

I found this on the combo page

Newegg.com cannot guarantee the compatibility of Combo items. Please contact the manufacturer(s) directly if you have issues or concerns regarding compatibility.

 

[ShadowFold]

All 790GX boards will support PII's. It's built into the core.

 

[spearman914]

I found this on the combo page

Newegg.com cannot guarantee the compatibility of Combo items. Please contact the manufacturer(s) directly if you have issues or concerns regarding compatibility.

99.9% of combos are compatible. Only one time newegg sent me a BIOSTAR board instead of an asus board once and it wasn't compatible before i did a bios flash.

 

[Cooldog]

99.9% of combos are compatible. Only one time newegg sent me a BIOSTAR board instead of an asus board once and it wasn't compatible before i did a bios flash.

ok thx

I have a NOOB question,
How is a 3.0 Ghz x4 core (like the one i am getting) better then a 3.2 GHz Dule core, other then the L1/L2 Cache being x4? and what is L3 Cache?

 

[ShadowFold]

Well its got a good architecture for one. And the extra two cores will help out in multithreaded games.

 

[spearman914]

ok thx

I have a NOOB question,
How is a 3.0 Ghz x4 core (like the one i am getting) better then a 3.2 GHz Dule core, other then the L1/L2 Cache being x4? and what is L3 Cache?

L3 cache is just advanced L2. Don't worry about cache to much since they won't make a huge difference. In some situations the quad is better and some is vice versa. Like GTA IV is multi threaded, obviously the quad will perform much better, if it's not then the dual is slightly better.

 

[Cooldog]

Will using a mod that make the game use more then 2 core slow it down much, or should it still be just as good if not a little worse?

 

[JrRacinFan]

Hiya Cooldog! Just looking at your planned out budget build. That Biostar board I am 99.999999% sure it will support the P2. Also just giving some advice, buy the board and a new video card first. Save your money as P2 will come down in price a little. Up your budget soem for the ram cause these are definitely worth: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231166.

EDIT:
psu will be fine if you stick with single video card.

 

[LittleLizard]

Hiya Cooldog! Just looking at your planned out budget build. That Biostar board I am 99.999999% sure it will support the P2. Also just giving some advice, buy the board and a new video card first. Save your money as P2 will come down in price a little. Up your budget soem for the ram cause these are definitely worth: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231166.

EDIT:
psu will be fine if you stick with single video card.

the point isnt if is going to support phenom 2 or not. is if it will support it OUT OF THE BOX or if it requires a bios flash

 

[JrRacinFan]

the point isnt if is going to support phenom 2 or not. is if it will support it OUT OF THE BOX or if it requires a bios flash

I understand that. But even if it doesnt support it out of the box he has an older AM2 chip that he can flash with.

 

[LittleLizard]

I understand that. But even if it doesnt support it out of the box he has an older AM2 chip that he can flash with.

i know, look up, i already posted about that, but let keep on topic

 

[ShadowFold]

As I've said in other threads, all 790GX boards support Phenom II out of the box.

 

[JrRacinFan]

i know, look up, i already posted about that, but let keep on topic

We are on topic.

Also you asked about dual vs. quad in gaming, Cooldog, I'll just put it an analogy:

Picture both a 4x4 pickup truck(quad) and a sports car(dual) both speeding on a highway at 90MPH. Now picture pulling a boat trailer the same mass behind both, the 4x4 would be more efficient in the long run but the sports car could possibly pull it faster but by using more gas(energy, heat energy).

Now what happens if you do this everyday with both, odds are the sports car will breakdown before the 4x4 will.

In other words, you can multitask things IN THE BACKGROUND while gaming on a quad and it will hold a future to it with newer multi-threaded games.

As I've said in other threads, all 790GX boards support Phenom II out of the box.

And ... if it doesn't?

 

[LittleLizard]

We are on topic.

Also you asked about dual vs. quad in gaming, Cooldog, I'll just put it an analogy:

Picture both a 4x4 pickup truck(quad) and a sports car(dual) both speeding on a highway at 90MPH. Now picture pulling a boat trailer the same mass behind both, the 4x4 would be more efficient in the long run but the sports car could possibly pull it faster but by using more gas(energy, heat energy).

Now what happens if you do this everyday with both, odds are the sports car will breakdown before the 4x4 will.

In other words, you can multitask things IN THE BACKGROUND while gaming on a quad and it will hold a future to it with newer multi-threaded games.

And ... if it doesn't?

agree, a phenom 2 is probably way better than a c2d because it has a high base clock like the c2d BUT it has 2 more cores AND an unlocked multiplier

 

[ShadowFold]

And ... if it doesn't?

It will

 

[Cooldog]

I'm not to worried about having good video so i don't need to upgrade the Video card, as long as im not lagging the game -5 in 40 min im fine

 

[LittleLizard]

It will

more easy. JrRacinFan and Shadowfold bet that his will or wont support pII out of the box.
The bet: 15 dollars thru paypal

DO IT PLEASE, BE HONORABLE PERSON

 

[Cooldog]

Also is it fine to use 2 diff types of ram at the same time? that's the only reason i put that type of ram is because i already have 2 of it.