Which one should I go with Core i5 8400 vs core i5 8500(or 8600) vs Ryzen 5 2600

[king of swag187]

Well now no need to be rude. Upgraded from a E5 2658 to a i7 3930K fixed all stuttering on my Fury X

 

[cucker tarlson]

There's stuttering if your cpu bottlenecks too much, it's common knowledge.

 

[dirtyferret]

I would personally go with the 8600 assuming the price difference between it and the 8400 is not extreme. Then again I would go with the 8600k over all of them.

 

[king of swag187]

Yep, but its not all ways the CPU, GPU can bottlneck ofc
But anyways, if you have to choose any of these (don't) get a 8600K

 

[saknid]

Considering different comments and reviews and googling...I am down to 2 options either to go with 8400 or with ryzen 5 2600-

Pros for 8400-- Better in game experience, over all better performance than amd ryzen 5 2600, better in terms of cooling and heating.
Pros for 2600-- Better for multi-threaded operations, amd said to support am4 for long time period.

However, One question I was thinking that even amd supports am4 I do have to change cpu from 2600 and have to upgrade to next upgraded version after 2.5+ years, and same will go with 8400. Please correct me if I am wrong. 1 plus point will be with 2600 that upgrade may not cost me a motherboard.

 

[king of swag187]

Yes, but if you get a decent 300 series motherboard (H370-Z370) you can upgrade to the 9900K, which will last a long time

 

[Vya Domus]

2600X instead of 2600.

 

[Mighty-Lu-Bu]

So I was looking to upgrade my system currently configured as

Core i5 4440
8 gb ddr 3
Gtx 1060 6gb

I wanted to upgrade my cpu and related components which one would be good to go with...where I can get good gaming fps (in games like pubg cod battlefield injustice nd other heavy games).

My budget is around 20k Inr to 24k inr. Please suggest.

Personally, I would go with the Ryzen 5 2600X- its in the same price bracket as the i5-8500, but it is slightly faster.

A comparison can be seen here:

http://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel-Core-i5-8500-vs-AMD-Ryzen-5-2600X/m447884vs3956

It is important to note that both processors are extremely close in their single core performances, but the 2600X decimates the i5-8500 in multi-core performance. Overall the Ryzen option is just a better processor.

 

[John Naylor]

Is this a gaming box ? Doing anything else ? You may be concerned with one or more of these:

https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/AMD/Ryzen_5_2600/20.html

• Gaming performance lower than competing Intel Core i5 chips
• Limited overclocking potential
• Memory still a bit more problematic than on Intel
• Lacks integrated graphics [useful if plan to use 2nd screen]

As for gaming fps, with the rare exception (most notably ROTR) .... it's mostly 8600 > 8500 > 8400 > 2600x > 2600. But look at the tests and decide for ya self.....the numbers speak for themselves:

https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/AMD/Ryzen_5_2600X/13.html

Ryzen is a great processor if your usage plays to its strengths.... that is you need both workstation and gaming performance. Very few peeps fit that profile. Of course any choice is user specific ... a 4WD SUV w/ locking hubs is a better choice if ya live in the northeast, but of little use and a waste of cash and mpg for a soccer mom living in Arizona. If you don't routinely run workstation type apps ... and by that I mean ones that actually use more than 4 cores (AutoCAD for example is considered a workstation app but gets squat out of the additional cores) .... Intel is the better choice.

 

[Vya Domus]

Ryzen is a great processor if your usage plays to its strengths.... that is you need both workstation and gaming performance.

This idea that Ryzen is only meant for those of us that also do workstation type stuff is absolute nonsense. To OP, if you're limited to this price range do yourself a favor and pick a 2600X, games are ever hungrier for more threads.

... and by that I mean ones that actually use more than 4 cores (AutoCAD for example is considered a workstation app but gets squat out of the additional cores) .... Intel is the better choice.

Oh really ? Then everyone that uses AutoCAD should go with a 7350K, OC it and call it a day, right ? Yeah, no one ever did that, see how how twisted this argument can get and how little sense it can make ?

Intel manages some single digit better figures at the same price range in terms of games and loses in terms of most of everything else. Ryzen is good at everything. And mind you all the tests that you see are done with cards like 1080ti, with something like your 1060 the difference in going to be exactly zero. Might as well pick the CPU with more threads and better prospects for platform longevity.

 

[Mighty-Lu-Bu]

Get the Ryzen 5 2600X and you will be happy!

 

[saknid]

Its always this complicated while choosing anything over anything such as a cpu...well can not get both so I am choosing to go with 8400, It does not mean I dont like ryzen 5 both cpu's have shown almost same performance for bucks. I am choosing intel because I will be building another cpu after 8 to 9 months for my younger brother I will get him ryzen for sure he is in Mechanical engineering and he uses pc for multiple things....Still thank you guys

 

[king of swag187]

Why is everyone recommending Ryzen? Stop
Just get a 8400-8600, whichever is cheaper and call it a day, will run faster than Ryzen with the option of a 9900K in the future

 

[saknid]

Why is everyone recommending Ryzen? Stop
Just get a 8400-8600, whichever is cheaper and call it a day, will run faster than Ryzen with the option of a 9900K in the future

Because ryzen series is no doubt promising...with budget

 

[grammar_phreak]

If you want the Core i5-8400, 8500, 8600, 8600k, or the forthcoming 9600k then you will have to replace your motherboard and RAM. The same goes for Ryzen. As far as Intel goes, I'd look at the 8400 unless you can find the 8500 or 8600 on sale. Ryzen along with an AM4/b450 motherboard has more promise because the AM4/b450 board should support the Zen2 processors that should come out sometime next year.

If you're going to play games on a 60hz monitor then you'd be hard pressed to see the difference between the i5-8400 and the Ryzen 5 2600. Af this point you might as well go with Ryzen since it offers more overall processing power. If you're gaming on a 144hz monitor and you're trying to squeeze out as many FPS as possible then Intel will do the trick because it offers better single threaded performance.

The likes of the Core i7-4790k can compete with the Core i5-8400 to the 8600 depending on the task. All you would have to do is update the motherboard's BIOS in order for it to accept the Core i7-4790k. This may be worthwhile if you can find one for around 14k INR to maybe 18K, but anything over that then you might want to look at a full upgrade. I'd say look at upgrading to the 4790k if you can find one at a good price.

Your post is a Prime Example of people opting to upgrade the entire system over just upgrading the CPU. Actually most people do this.

 

[saknid]

If you want the Core i5-8400, 8500, 8600, 8600k, or the forthcoming 9600k then you will have to replace your motherboard and RAM. The same goes for Ryzen. As far as Intel goes, I'd look at the 8400 unless you can find the 8500 or 8600 on sale. Ryzen along with an AM4/b450 motherboard has more promise because the AM4/b450 board should support the Zen2 processors that should come out sometime next year.

If you're going to play games on a 60hz monitor then you'd be hard pressed to see the difference between the i5-8400 and the Ryzen 5 2600. Af this point you might as well go with Ryzen since it offers more overall processing power. If you're gaming on a 144hz monitor and you're trying to squeeze out as many FPS as possible then Intel will do the trick because it offers better single threaded performance.

The likes of the Core i7-4790k can compete with the Core i5-8400 to the 8600 depending on the task. All you would have to do is update the motherboard's BIOS in order for it to accept the Core i7-4790k. This may be worthwhile if you can find one for around 14k INR to maybe 18K, but anything over that then you might want to look at a full upgrade. I'd say look at upgrading to the 4790k if you can find one at a good price.

Your post is a Prime Example of people opting to upgrade the entire system over just upgrading the CPU. Actually most people do this.

Thanks for sharing

 

[Mighty-Lu-Bu]

Why is everyone recommending Ryzen? Stop
Just get a 8400-8600, whichever is cheaper and call it a day, will run faster than Ryzen with the option of a 9900K in the future

Because the Ryzen 2600X is a better value; it's cheaper, has identical single-core performance, it has vastly superior multi-core performance, it has similar overall performance and its 3.6Ghz vs 3.10Ghz.

 

[Melvis]

Why is everyone recommending Ryzen? Stop
Just get a 8400-8600, whichever is cheaper and call it a day, will run faster than Ryzen with the option of a 9900K in the future

No! your the one that needs to stop....everything you have been saying so far in this thread is pure speculation, we have already seen leaked benchmarks of the 9700 and it was very underwhelming so much so I thought it was actually a 6core and had to be corrected. IS the 9900K going to beat the 2700X? yes it will but it wont beat it by a landslide like you said. Also your not 100% guaranteed the 9900K will even work on all Z370 boards (they actually recommend you get a Z390) and its basically a dead skt, end of life is this yr! and you don't think AMD will have something that will beat it in the next 2-3yrs time? Then what are you going to get for that skt Z370? Nothing.........Just think how expensive that 9900K is going to be to even upgrade to it, the 8core CPU that is already out by intel is over $800 here, and the 8700K is $560, Do you think your going to get twice the performance for twice the price? I dont think so. So please just stop! its got very annoying.

 

[yeeeeman]

Since he has a GTX1060, that won't be bottlenecked neither by AMD/Intel. So, just choose the 2600X cause it has more compute power and you are assured to get an upgrade path when Zen 2 arrives. I wouldn't buy any locked i5 cpu from Intel.

 

[king of swag187]

I wouldn't buy a locked CPU anyways, I totally agree. Compute power matters very little to anyone who primary games, and by 3 years from now, AMD will have likely built something better than the 9900K, but Intel will have builten something better than that, and AMDs processor will be built for AM5, not AM4 anyways

 

[saknid]

I did not replied at that time but I choose ryzen 2600x with 3200mhz ram (8 GB*2), Thanks for suggestions. It was really helpful back then. Thank you again everyone.

 

[HenrySomeone]

Well, 8400 would have been faster both then and now, you will however (most likely) be able to upgrade to something like a 3700X on the cheap in a year or two, while 9900k is almost certainly going to hold its value for years to come, so there is that...

 

[cucker tarlson]

value (perf per dollar)

1600AF
3600
10400F

performance (gaming)
10400F
3600
1600AF

all 3 are very good purchases

I did not replied at that time but I choose ryzen 2600x with 3200mhz ram (8 GB*2), Thanks for suggestions. It was really helpful back then. Thank you again everyone.

well you bought 1600af for more money but still good value

Well, 8400 would have been faster both then and now, you will however (most likely) be able to upgrade to something like a 3700X on the cheap in a year or two, while 9900k is almost certainly going to hold its value for years to come, so there is that...

that may be but now it's poor value against 10400f which is basically as good as current ryzen 7 and previous core i7 in gaming.absolutely no one should buy a s.1151 and 8400 now.

 

[R0H1T]

Well, 8400 would have been faster both then and now, you will however (most likely) be able to upgrade to something like a 3700X on the cheap in a year or two, while 9900k is almost certainly going to hold its value for years to come, so there is that...

9900k selling for under $400 now isn't what I'd call hold its value. Heck all the non HT parts from Intel have been killed by their own refreshes, if you're talking about being locked into a socket with little to no upgrades available except 9900k then that's a separate debate.

 

[jesdals]

Well if we are talking futur upgrade i would go for a AMD ryzen combo with a B450 motherboard supporting ryzen 3xxx in the future. E.g. the MSI mortar og tomahawk