Windows 7 Club

[Shou Miko]

Hallo,
i want install Windows 7 on my Ryzen APU with 4350G or 4650G.
Windows runs fine, but after i install the Graphic Driver i have a Black screen.

https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/w...eck-0x7e--system-thread-exception-not-handled

Only i found is this:
Can you help me please or idea for fix?
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If your motherboard vendor haven't released Windows 7 drivers you are forced to run 10 or 11 even their might be modded drivers for 7 but I won't personally take my chances.

Same with my XP rig I have a supported setup otherwise I will face various issues with unsupported stuff for my old XP games.

 

[lexluthermiester]

Is anyone here actually running 7 to confirm it's not tech sites misunderstanding a lack of support for a lack of launching?

"The main culprit, according to Valve, is the built-in Chromium-based browser that Steam actually uses to render the Steam store and other bits of the UI."

So, if users found a way to get updated chromium to work in 7... Like those 0Patch guys i linked above?
0patch Blog: 0patch Security-Adopts Microsoft Edge on Windows 7, Server 2008 and Server 2012

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The only concern there, is that they have a paid subscription for some of these updates and it's not clear which ones are free without a user trying.


If you actually game on 7 with age-appopriate hardware, odds are a modern linux install will run better and be totally reliable.
It's not my cup of tea, but DX9 era games have always ran well in WINE, and thanks to the steam deck just about everything else now does too.

I keep flipping the OS On my laptop because it has issues with fast-boot and wifi, but it also needs a new battery so i've been super lazy. 4th gen dual core i7 with liquid metal on a bare die, thing just never died.

Ah! I wondered about that. If this is the cause, then simply not allowing updates to the Steam Client going forward should keep a user's existing library intact.

 

[QuietBob]

The only concern there, is that they have a paid subscription for some of these updates and it's not clear which ones are free without a user trying.

It seems that the free plan does not include any patches for the OS, Office, or Edge. Personally, I'm not willing to commit to a paid subscription. To their credit, 0patch authors are very transparent as to what apps and vulnerabilities can be secured. They also openly state that these patches are applied at runtime, and not to actual files, akin to a memory hack.

i want install Windows 7 on my Ryzen APU with 4350G or 4650G.
Windows runs fine, but after i install the Graphic Driver i have a Black screen.

How did you manage to install the driver in first place? AMD do not offer Win7 graphics drivers for the 4350G/4650G. But they can still be used as basic display adapters with the Windows compatibility driver.

 

[Feenschubser]

How did you manage to install the driver in first place? AMD do not offer Win7 graphics drivers for the 4350G/4650G. But they can still be used as basic display adapters with the Windows compatibility driver.

Yes Sir ican use the Basic Driver, but i want the AMD Driver

 

[Pawelr98]

https://www.amd.com/zh-hans/support/kb/release-notes/icafe-windows-7-driver

Maybe try this?
It supports multiple GPUs.HD5000 series to newest RX6000 series

 

[Mussels]

Hallo,
i want install Windows 7 on my Ryzen APU with 4350G or 4650G.
Windows runs fine, but after i install the Graphic Driver i have a Black screen.

https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/w...eck-0x7e--system-thread-exception-not-handled

Only i found is this:
Can you help me please or idea for fix?
View attachment 293995

I've heard of this problem before, another user ran into it.

Heres a random google with a 'fix' to bring the screen back (ctrl-shift-B)
Solved: Re: black screen for Ryzen 5 4650G - AMD Community

Is the PC actually crashing (the bugcheck you posted) - or just losing the image and functioning normally?
Some users there commented about HDMI Cables which is entirely possible if its just sending a signal your display cant handle - displayport and DVI work much better if thats occuring
(The display and GPU can negotiate and say hey! We can do 4K 60Hz at 12 bit colour! but the cable can't, and bam - black screen)

If it is BSOD/crash related, and you're here because you're running windows 7 then you're probably out of luck there as it's never had windows 7 drivers released.

[SOLVED] - Ryzen 5 4650G, MSI X570, and Windows 7 BSOD ? (Compromise solution)

The Ryzen 5 4650G does work and work well in W7 once the proper driver package is installed. The sole drawback is the lack of a graphics driver for the integrated graphics on the CPU. The compromise solution is to install a graphics card.

 

[Feenschubser]

https://www.amd.com/zh-hans/support/kb/release-notes/icafe-windows-7-driver

Maybe try this?
It supports multiple GPUs.HD5000 series to newest RX6000 series

I test the Driver but not working.

I test the Driver from Winraid Forum for APU.

I test the HDMI Problem on 2 Maibard...DP + HDMI the other with VGA SUBD.
Same problems.

But the HDMI is the right Way.
I install Teamviewer and can see the Desktop and the AMD Software works perfekt.


Only in the Software the HDMI Link Cofig is emty under Windows 11 i have 8.1 Gbps x 4.


If i change the Resouluion on DP it works, under HDMI it crash.
I have 2 Monitor DP and HDMI.

All with Teamviewer, Monitor are Black.

Thanks for help

 

[Mussels]

The onboard graphics has no working driver for windows 7 - you need another graphics card, or another OS.

 

[lexluthermiester]

Yes Sir ican use the Basic Driver, but i want the AMD Driver

There are no Windows 7 drivers for AMD IGPs past ZEN1/RDNA1. None.

So your choices are:
1. Get a DGPU that still has Windows 7 Drivers available.
2. Run a newer version of Windows.
3. Hack the devil out of Windows 10/11 drivers to shoe-horn them into Windows 7.

There you go..

 

[Pawelr98]

I think it may be possible to do something.

At some point RX6600 didn't have Win7 drivers while the RX6600XT did.
I digged into the driver installation and it may be possible to make the driver work. In the end, official driver was released so I didn't try it but I think I still have some screenshots saved somewhere.

What GPU architecture is this APU?

 

[lexluthermiester]

I think it may be possible to do something.

At some point RX6600 didn't have Win7 drivers while the RX6600XT did.
I digged into the driver installation and it may be possible to make the driver work. In the end, official driver was released so I didn't try it but I think I still have some screenshots saved somewhere.

What GPU architecture is this APU?

RX6000 series is RDNA1
EDIT:

AMD Radeon RX 6600 XT Specs

AMD Navi 23, 2589 MHz, 2048 Cores, 128 TMUs, 64 ROPs, 8192 MB GDDR6, 2000 MHz, 128 bit

www.techpowerup.com

AMD Radeon RX 6600 Specs

AMD Navi 23, 2491 MHz, 1792 Cores, 112 TMUs, 64 ROPs, 8192 MB GDDR6, 1750 MHz, 128 bit

www.techpowerup.com

Oops, I was wrong, RDNA2!

Also FYI, There are Windows 7 drivers for both RX6600 and RX6600XT

https://www.amd.com/en/support/kb/release-notes/rn-rad-win7-rx6600-rx6600xt

https://drivers.amd.com/drivers/win7-radeon-rx6600-rx6600xt-adrenalin-software-21.09.07.01.exe

 

[Feenschubser]

I think it may be possible to do something.

At some point RX6600 didn't have Win7 drivers while the RX6600XT did.
I digged into the driver installation and it may be possible to make the driver work. In the end, official driver was released so I didn't try it but I think I still have some screenshots saved somewhere.

What GPU architecture is this APU?

Vega 8 i think.

i think i test a DGPU or Teamviewer
Thanks for Help

 

[lexluthermiester]

Vega 8 i think.

i think i test a DGPU or Teamviewer
Thanks for Help

this look nice:

Um, see the links in my above edit.

 

[Pawelr98]

I know there are drivers for 7 for the RX6000, I run 7 with RX6600 daily.

The thing I was doing back then was trying to install the driver on 7, when for some oddball reason AMD didn't release the driver for the 6600 non-XT. As I was doing the research, AMD released the driver.

As for the things you could do, there were files which told the driver installer what to do during the process. That is, what kind of GPU devices are supported, what exact files to use in the process and where to put them.
IIRC these were XML files present after unpacking.
I was cross checking entries between 7 and 10 drivers for the RX6600 and RX6600XT to figure out how I could make the driver work. Basically telling the installer to do the exact same things for the RX6600 as for the RX6600XT.

Vega is an older architecture which already had support under Win 7, so it's a bit odd that the driver won't install.

 

[Mussels]

On nvidia it was modding the INF file, where you could swap a device ID with yours - this is how you got desktop drivers onto laptop parts.
But if the designs aren't compatible, they wont work - or they would work in 2D but crash in 3D, and so on.

leshcat used to be a big name for AMD laptops and modded drivers, unfortunately they shut down and the website is now a bunch of spam ads.

There seems to be driver modders still doing this on guru3D, but i dont know if anyones bothered getting the AMD IGP working in 7.

Amernime Zone AMD Software: Adrenalin / Pro Driver - Release Discovery Remix 23.4.2 WHQL | guru3D Forums


The IGP is RDNA2
22.9.2 was the first driver to support the IGP, so i assume anything newer than that has a chance of working

They do say they're designed for windows 10, but they also bypass a lot of AMD's requirements (especially for laptops and APUs) for what drivers install on what hardware - so they may work for you

It has a UI with many options, i cant help with them but one of them may allow you to install these drivers to 7

 

[delshay]

I need to point something out here why I will do my best never to buy games on Steam with the termination of support in early 2024 for windows 7.

Let's say you have windows 11 the latest OS.. What has happen to Windows 7, will also happen to windows 10 & 11 when support ends. What i'm saying here is, if you want to access your games on steam, you will always be forced to update to the latest OS. This means those users like myself will be left with a chunk of there games being cut-off from older computers. I can explain why this is happening, but it's alreay being pointed out in this thread why this happening.

Short story, Windows 10 & 11 & any future OS beyond 11 will also suffer the same fate when support ends..

 

[Hachi_Roku256563]

Short story, Windows 10 & 11 & any future OS beyond 11 will also suffer the same fate when support ends..

This can be summarized as
Old unsecured computers cannot access the internet and anything tied to the internet
This is nothing new
Its kind of inevitable with online drm

 

[Mussels]

I need to point something out here why I will do my best never to buy games on Steam with the termination of support in early 2024 for windows 7.

Let's say you have windows 11 the latest OS.. What has happen to Windows 7, will also happen to windows 10 & 11 when support ends. What i'm saying here is, if you want to access your games on steam, you will always be forced to update to the latest OS. This means those users like myself will be left with a chunk of there games being cut-off from older computers. I can explain why this is happening, but it's alreay being pointed out in this thread why this happening.

Short story, Windows 10 & 11 & any future OS beyond 11 will also suffer the same fate when support ends..

You've definitely got the entire wrong attitude on that.
That bolded quote for example is a joke "The latest OS". Windows 10 is fully supported and it launched in 2015, 8 goddamned years ago with no end to it's support in sight.


1. Windows 7 launched in 2009, 14 years ago. There's no gaming PC out there from 2009 still running on it's original hardware and OS install.
2. Windows 7 can't RUN most modern games - it lacks directX 12, as the most obvious example. No USB 3 support, no NVME. Your hardware may work on it, but it wont on new hardware. Wait til boards are USB 4.0 only, and you wont have a chance outside of a VM. MS added some DX12 features to it to help it last longer, but it simply can't support newer hardware without breaking old hardware support.
3. Steam officially supports all operating systems, even ignoring steamOS. No other launcher does that. (Windows, Mac, SteamOS, all Linux variants)
(Many games run better in Arch than windows too, although it's imperfect)


Steams the one you should be using, because you can fire up linux mint, ubuntu or arch and get those games running ad infinitum, and you can always get old games working in a newer OS.
I tried running fallout 3 on windows 11, and it errored about needing GFWL - and do you know what windows 10 and 11 do? They give you a popup with the download to fix that.
The standalone versions of the game don't work this way, and require you to find third party websites with all the individual patches and fixes yourself.


Steam makes sure your games always work on modern computers in a modern OS - they don't demand that OS to be windows, they work fine on nearly 10 year old operating systems.


Vs other platforms like ubisoft where they shut down a server and even the singleplayer content is gone, or acti-blizzard just deleting overwatch overnight


Edit: There's a custom OS designed to use as much as possible of Steam OS 3.0, but with more hardware support here
LukeShortCloud/winesapOS: winesapOS - Game with Linux anywhere, no installation required! (github.com)