Windows XP forever? The OS that just won't die

[KainXS]

The way it is microsoft never expected xp to be so expandable, just about every pc you see nowadays has xp on it, even the ones that shouldn't, XP may have its quirks but if your on a older pc or even a newer pc with under 4GB of ram there shouldn't be any issues,'

you guys have your opinions but not everyone can afford vista or 7, and xp is cheap as hell now, so why not buy that.

I'm sitting on 7 vista ultimate keys and I still use xp on my budget pc lol, why, cause im used to it. I use it on my faster pc cause I have no choice but over vista I would pick xp, but I would pick 7 over xp anyday.

why not let agp die,
why not let 775 die,
why not let anything thats over 2 years old die,

stop your people, xp is still a good os

 

[erocker]

Why would I need anything more than XP on business computers? Windows XP.. Check! Microsoft Office.. Check!

 

[newtekie1]

you guys have your opinions but not everyone can afford vista or 7, and xp is cheap as hell now, so why not buy that.

Ummm...Vista is cheaper than XP(at least in the US)...so your argument that not everyone can affrod Vista doesn't really make sense...

Vista Home Basic: $85
XP Home: $90

Vista Home Premium: $90
XP MCE: $109

Vista Business: $120
XP Pro: $130

 

[Frick]

I have XP because I really didn't like Vista. Also, didn't have the money to get it legal or get the hardware to run it smoothly, so I never bothered. I did run the RC's for some time though.

But I will seriously consider Windows 7. It is time for it. When and if I get a computer that can run it somewhat smoothly.

Just a thought.. A lot of people dislike Vista because they bought it very early with crappy computers (remember when they sold systems with 512MB Ram and Vista Home Premium? ) My brother recently bought a cheap lappy with a 1.2Ghz Celeron wich is WAY to slow for even Home Basic. And then they blaim the OS for being bad when it's shipped with bad hardware.

This happened with XP too.

 

[AsRock]

BS...Windows 7 is the sex!

Then you must of had bad sex then.....

 

[newtekie1]

I have XP because I really didn't like Vista. Also, didn't have the money to get it legal or get the hardware to run it smoothly, so I never bothered. I did run the RC's for some time though.

But I will seriously consider Windows 7. It is time for it. When and if I get a computer that can run it somewhat smoothly.

Just a thought.. A lot of people dislike Vista because they bought it very early with crappy computers (remember when they sold systems with 512MB Ram and Vista Home Premium? ) My brother recently bought a cheap lappy with a 1.2Ghz Celeron wich is WAY to slow for even Home Basic. And then they blaim the OS for being bad when it's shipped with bad hardware.

This happened with XP too.

If the 900MHz Celeron in the EeePC can run Vista smoothly, the 1.2GHz is more than enough. Processor speed really doesn't affect Vista, any modern processor will run it, amount of RAM is what is important. From my experience Vista with 512MB of RAM is a lot more sluggish than XP, enable Readyboost and it is very close to XP but XP is still quicker. Move up to 1GB of RAM and Vista is pretty much just as fast a XP with 1GB, move to 2GB and Vista is actually faster than XP.

 

[farlex85]

We've reached a point where the majority, or at least many people, simply don't benefit from advances in personal computing. OS, Cpus, even video cards and such simply don't need to do much more than they do now, and in some cases do way more than people use them for. Most people surf the web, gaming is moving to counsels and away from graphical pushing, ect. Core 2 duo and XP aren't still around just b/c they're foolproof, or in any way superior to their successors, they are still around b/c a compelling reason to do more simply isn't there.

 

[Frick]

If the 900MHz Celeron in the EeePC can run Vista smoothly,

Seriously? Because that laptop has 2GB Ram and the OS pretty clean, so I though it was the CPU.. More info please!

 

[mandis]

Windows Xp x64 is better than Vista x64 in many ways. File transfer speed, responsiveness, memory footprint, just to name a few.

 

[FreedomEclipse]

If M$ just suddenly turned around & said fuckit, were dropping all support for XP since supporting so many platforms since it costs them money & also time wasted when our dev teams could be doing more important things - this would cause a mass revolt of pissed off XP users but since windows 7 is quickly becoming a viable option M$ could put in a marketting campaign something similar to trade in your old XP for upto 60-70% off the price of Windows7....It might not be the best campaign in the world but at least there is some incentive for them to move to win7 when its fully available.

when M$ first declared it would be taking XP off the shelves - everyone stood up & bollocked them for it - thats because I/they dont class VISTA as a viable option - even though its sold on 80% of computers & I have used it extensively for over a year. there are few issues with it that a majority of people dont/wont like namely how resource intensive it is/can be.

Im using Win7 7600 & when the time comes for its release I'l be talking to a lotta friends & family of mine to try n get them to move with the times too. because i truely believe that Win7 is the next step up.

Obviously - if their worried about the cost - the step forward doesnt have to be the legit way forward - they can just pay me £20 to install & configure everything for them.

so long as they have the hardware to run win7 sufficiently then thats how i be rollin

 

[newtekie1]

Seriously? Because that laptop has 2GB Ram and the OS pretty clean, so I though it was the CPU.. More info please!

You would be surprised how little horse power Vista actually requires. For how much flak it gets for being a resourse hog, it actually runs quite well on low end hardware. Once optimized, it runs almost as well as an optimized XP on the same hardware.

 

[pepsi71ocean]

i use XP, mainly because it works it is fast and compared to my friends Vista based build my system handles his all over the place in RWS.

However vista seems to bea tank, and a bear of an OS, which is why if i do upgrade it might be to Win7, otherwise im staying with XP till it dies.

 

[KainXS]

Ummm...Vista is cheaper than XP(at least in the US)...so your argument that not everyone can affrod Vista doesn't really make sense...

Vista Home Basic: $85
XP Home: $90

Vista Home Premium: $90
XP MCE: $109

Vista Business: $120
XP Pro: $130

I guess it depends where you live but I got my old xp pro for 55 bucks from my local pc shop

most times you can get xp for free though if you know how also and legally(no joke)

 

[farlex85]

i use XP, mainly because it works it is fast and compared to my friends Vista based build my system handles his all over the place in RWS.

However vista seems to bea tank, and a bear of an OS, which is why if i do upgrade it might be to Win7, otherwise im staying with XP till it dies.

Then your friend doesn't know how to handle windows and/or has ancient, and I mean ancient (<2gb of ram single core proc) hardware. Windows just kind of sucks, and most people don't take the time to do the little things to keep it snappy. XP, Vista, 7, they are all the same in this. So long as you do those little things and have 2gb of ram and a dual core Vista is faster than XP in virtually every way.

 

[pepsi71ocean]

Then your friend doesn't know how to handle windows and/or has ancient, and I mean ancient (<2gb of ram single core proc) hardware. Windows just kind of sucks, and most people don't take the time to do the little things to keep it snappy. XP, Vista, 7, they are all the same in this. So long as you do those little things and have 2gb of ram and a dual core Vista is faster than XP in virtually every way.

I built his computer, E6850@ 3.6GHZ, 2GB of Crucial Ram PC6400@ 1100MHZ, 5-5-5-15-2T, 8800GT1GB edition, AKIMBO series. Blood Iron P35 Mobo, 650watt PSu,

It should manhandel Vista, but it doesn't, it is very finicky about stability, it took almost a month of tuning to get Vista to run on his system, and that is a month of tweaking everything from timings to voltages and all the settings know to man.

But every time you open a program it brings up some safety message, and what not, some double click to get there, its a PIA. Even after disabling it for certain programs like OCCT, CPU-Z etic it still block them programs.

 

[Flyordie]

And a whole heap of XP users who never bothered to try Vista for themselves and just assumed it was rubbish after hearing it was.

I adopted Windows Vista in July 07. Haven't looked back since...
Even now, I am running 64bit and not a single issue.

You would be surprised how little horse power Vista actually requires. For how much flak it gets for being a resourse hog, it actually runs quite well on low end hardware. Once optimized, it runs almost as well as an optimized XP on the same hardware.

TRUE TRUE!
I think I have a SS somewhere..

 

[farlex85]

I built his computer, E6850@ 3.6GHZ, 2GB of Crucial Ram PC6400@ 1100MHZ, 5-5-5-15-2T, 8800GT1GB edition, AKIMBO series. Blood Iron P35 Mobo, 650watt PSu,

It should manhandel Vista, but it doesn't, it is very finicky about stability, it took almost a month of tuning to get Vista to run on his system, and that is a month of tweaking everything from timings to voltages and all the settings know to man.

But every time you open a program it brings up some safety message, and what not, some double click to get there, its a PIA. Even after disabling it for certain programs like OCCT, CPU-Z etic it still block them programs.

Did you disable UAC? I'm not sure what program your talking about, the only intrinsic safety warning with vista is UAC, which you can't disable for certain programs, you just have to turn it all the way off. Go to users and accounts in cp, users, and it's an option there. If something isn't stable then you probably did it wrong.

 

[pepsi71ocean]

Did you disable UAC? I'm not sure what program your talking about, the only intrinsic safety warning with vista is UAC, which you can't disable for certain programs, you just have to turn it all the way off. Go to users and accounts in cp, users, and it's an option there.

anything not certified by microsift gets flagged, Firefox, Opera, CPU-Z, GPU-Z CPU Hardware Monitor, OCCT, and alot of free games as well.

It says that its an unknow .exe and could be a virus and that you shouldn't open it unless you trust the source, ive hit the allow this program button several time but it will not move it to the accepted list for the life of god.

 

[KH0UJ]

For me I like Vista and windows 7, I just want to make it more perfect (someday its gonna be), XP also undergo that stage of imperfections before it became more reliable and flexible OS, I have Vista and win 7 on me right now but there`s a driver issue problems on my hardware, incompatibility issues IMO it needs more time to be as reliable as XP

 

[pepsi71ocean]

i just didn't like how heavy vista was as an OS, that is why i still prefer XP, but if win 7 is as light as XP and has more power like vista would have then i would consider moving over, but right now the cost factor is the major decision on that, the money doesn't exist for an upgrade to which i believe is unnecessary to facilitate the job.

 

[farlex85]

anything not certified by microsift gets flagged, Firefox, Opera, CPU-Z, GPU-Z CPU Hardware Monitor, OCCT, and alot of free games as well.

It says that its an unknow .exe and could be a virus and that you shouldn't open it unless you trust the source, ive hit the allow this program button several time but it will not move it to the accepted list for the life of god.

Vista does not do that. The only thing Vista will do is as I said if UAC is enabled (which it is by default) will ask you every time you open a program whether you chose to run it (so as to not allow unauthorized programs to run). It will continue to do this until you turn it off. Turn it off. The only other thing that could vaugely relate to what your saying is unsigned drivers, which Vista won't do by default. There are of course ways around this, but none of the programs you listed are effected by this and thus this is not your issue. Your issue here is either UAC or some non-Vista related program or user error.

i just didn't like how heavy vista was as an OS, that is why i still prefer XP, but if win 7 is as light as XP and has more power like vista would have then i would consider moving over, but right now the cost factor is the major decision on that, the money doesn't exist for an upgrade to which i believe is unnecessary to facilitate the job.

Vista is only heavy in that is has a lot of services running. Disable them. Presto. Still it's nice w/ 7 they are already disabled.

 

[pepsi71ocean]

Vista does not do that. The only thing Vista will do is as I said if UAC is enabled (which it is by default) will ask you every time you open a program whether you chose to run it (so as to not allow unauthorized programs to run). It will continue to do this until you turn it off. Turn it off. The only other thing that could vaugely relate to what your saying is unsigned drivers, which Vista won't do by default. There are of course ways around this, but none of the programs you listed are effected by this and thus this is not your issue. Your issue here is either UAC or some non-Vista related program or user error.



Vista is only heavy in that is has a lot of services running. Disable them. Presto. Still it's nice w/ 7 they are already disabled.

Im getting his computer back on Monday or Tuesday for more "repair" work, so im play around with his settings, as you say that is most likely the cause of most of these issues that he speaks of.


Lately he has been comparing that his 8800GT will act up on him, and that windows just is slow in general, so i think it could be driver related.

 

[farlex85]

Im getting his computer back on Monday or Tuesday for more "repair" work, so im play around with his settings, as you say that is most likely the cause of most of these issues that he speaks of.


Lately he has been comparing that his 8800GT will act up on him, and that windows just is slow in general, so i think it could be driver related.

Google how to turn off UAC that will help. I'd wager the other part is either he is messing something up or he has some preconceptions causing attribution error (psychological phenomenon erroneously attributing results to incorrect causes). Diagnosis: disable UAC install latest drivers and evga precision (to turn the fan up to prevent overheating) and tell him you overhauled the OS and Vista should be raging now. He'll proclaim how you're a miracle worker and made speed out of that bad bad Vista......

 

[newtekie1]

I guess it depends where you live but I got my old xp pro for 55 bucks from my local pc shop

most times you can get xp for free though if you know how also and legally(no joke)

I've found copies of Vista for sale really cheap locally, but in general Vista isn't any more expensive than XP, and Win7 is actually looking to be slightly cheaper(due to the MSRP on Home Premium being $10 cheaper than Vista and XP MCE).

And I got Vista Business for free...legally...

anything not certified by microsift gets flagged, Firefox, Opera, CPU-Z, GPU-Z CPU Hardware Monitor, OCCT, and alot of free games as well.

It says that its an unknow .exe and could be a virus and that you shouldn't open it unless you trust the source, ive hit the allow this program button several time but it will not move it to the accepted list for the life of god.

Vista definitely doesn't do this if set up properly, even with UAC enabled!

 

[Melvis]

See this is the type of answer you would get from someone who still reads 4 year old forum posts about the pre release of vista.

Naaa ive never read any forums about Vista ever....It's all from first hand experience or from other people that have said how bad it is. I didn't mind windows 7 at all, i was impressed how well it worked for a Beta Version (Build 7000) and seem to run pretty fast and used alot less resources. My next Build will have Windows 7 as my main OS thats for sure. Until then ill stick with XP since it does everything i need it for.

When it comes to cost XP is around $120 and under, Vista HP is around $160 and Vista Ultimate is like $700