X99: will it still be good when Skylake is here?

husseinHr · Jul 13, 2015

So yeah... Skylake is coming soon with that Z170 stuff. Had no clue about this until recently...

Should I stick to plan A (X99 build) or wait till Skylake comes? I personally think I'll be fine with X99, but I don't know the prices, etc, of the new chipset or whatever.

INSTG8R · Jul 13, 2015

Yeah you're fine. Skylake would actually be more of a downgrade IMO.

hat · Jul 13, 2015

People are still using SB-E (x79 skt 2011) happily. Hell I'm happy with my 1155 i5 2400.

FireFox · Jul 13, 2015

hat said:
People are still using SB-E (x79 skt 2011) happily. Hell I'm happy with my 1155 i5 2400.

+1
I am more than happy with my 1155 + my i7 3770K :toast:

m6tzg6r · Jul 13, 2015

skylake is only quad core at best so there is only so much it can do compared to x99 with its 6 or 8 core options.

R-T-B · Jul 13, 2015

I'd go X99... But I've been on a six-core binge since X58.

Frick · Jul 13, 2015

INSTG8R said:
Skylake would actually be more of a downgrade IMO.

This.

FordGT90Concept · Jul 13, 2015

X99 has hexacore processors and more importantly, more PCI Express lanes (depends on processor). If you intend to install more than one graphics card, X99 is going to be the obvious choice.

There are rumors Intel scrapped Broadwell-E in favor of Skylake-E.

sneekypeet · Jul 13, 2015

FordGT90Concept said:
X99 has hexacore processors and more importantly, more PCI Express lanes (depends on processor).

Looking at the Asus X99 E WS product page, it seems to imply processor makes no difference as to the lanes the board can supply. Could be marketing madness, and I have not tried to fill more slots to see what lanes I get, but this is how it reads to me.

MxPhenom 216 · Jul 13, 2015

sneekypeet said:
Looking at the Asus X99 E WS product page, it seems to imply processor makes no difference as to the lanes the board can supply. Could be marketing madness, and I have not tried to fill more slots to see what lanes I get, but this is how it reads to me.

5820k can offer max of 24 lanes
5930k can offer 40 lanes
5960k can offer 40 lanes.

Depending on the chip you have depends on how many pcie lanes you have and how the pcie slots are setup for multi GPU.

sneekypeet · Jul 13, 2015

MxPhenom 216 said:
5820k can offer max of 24 lanes
5930k can offer 40 lanes
5960k can offer 40 lanes.

Depending on the chip you have depends on how many pcie lanes you have and how the pcie slots are setup for multi GPU.

I agree, but look at the specs at the rating for each configuration...
40-Lane CPU-
7 x PCIe 3.0/2.0 x16 (single x16 or dual x16/x16 or triple x16/x16/x16 or quad x16/x16/x16/x16 or seven x16/x8/x8/x8/x8/x8/x8)
28-Lane CPU-
7 x PCIe 3.0/2.0 x16 (single x16 or dual x16/x16 or triple x16/x16/x16 or quad x16/x16/x16/x16 or seven x16/x8/x8/x8/x8/x8/x8)

https://www.asus.com/us/Commercial_Servers_Workstations/X99E_WS/specifications/
They list more lanes than what a 40 or 28 lane chip would provide

GhostRyder · Jul 13, 2015

husseinHr said:
So yeah... Skylake is coming soon with that Z170 stuff. Had no clue about this until recently...

Should I stick to plan A (X99 build) or wait till Skylake comes? I personally think I'll be fine with X99, but I don't know the prices, etc, of the new chipset or whatever.

Skylake (With the Z170 chipset) is going to be nice but the X99 will be more powerful at the end because even with the expectations of Skylake its not going to be much of a step up in performance from the Broadwell and Haswell chips. Plus your getting 6 physical cores (all the way to 8) and 12 threads versus 4 cores and a possible 8 threads which while not demanded for gaming is more beneficial in the long run.

Depending on what your plans are, the 5820K is a good value and I would get it over waiting for a Skylake processor

MxPhenom 216 · Jul 13, 2015

sneekypeet said:
I agree, but look at the specs at the rating for each configuration...
40-Lane CPU-
7 x PCIe 3.0/2.0 x16 (single x16 or dual x16/x16 or triple x16/x16/x16 or quad x16/x16/x16/x16 or seven x16/x8/x8/x8/x8/x8/x8)
28-Lane CPU-
7 x PCIe 3.0/2.0 x16 (single x16 or dual x16/x16 or triple x16/x16/x16 or quad x16/x16/x16/x16 or seven x16/x8/x8/x8/x8/x8/x8)

https://www.asus.com/us/Commercial_Servers_Workstations/X99E_WS/specifications/
They list more lanes than what a 40 or 28 lane chip would provide

PLX chip....

sneekypeet · Jul 13, 2015

MxPhenom 216 said:
PLX chip....

Right, but this is an exception to the rule of worrying about lanes by CPU choice. That is where I was going with it.

FordGT90Concept · Jul 13, 2015

The number of PCI Express lanes is determined by the width of the QuickPath Interconnect. Higher end processors have more QPI connections and thus, more total bandwidth available. It doesn't matter much when there are PLX chips on the motherboard but PLX motherboards tend to be much more expensive than non-PLX motherboards.

Z170 drastically increases the number of PCI Express lanes to even beat the 5820k but, again, 5820k has six cores versus four. When you look at the price difference between the platforms, do the changes (more DIMMs and two more cores) really justify the extra cost? I think not unless you do stuff that is heavily multithreaded and benefits from a lot of RAM. X99 just isn't appealing to me because it is a full tock (Broadwell) and tick (Skylake) behind. It'll be a whole 'nother year before X99 catches up to Z170 with the launch of Skylake-E. It's not clear Skylake-E will even run on X99.

peche · Jul 13, 2015

Knoxx29 said:
+1
I am more than happy with my 1155 + my i7 3770K

same here...despite i tottally want knoxx's 3770K for my rig.... :rolleyes:

FireFox · Jul 13, 2015

peche said:
same here...despite i tottally want knoxx's 3770K for my rig....

Just because you have written totally with double tt I won't give it to you :roll:

peche · Jul 13, 2015

Knoxx29 said:
Just because you have written totally with double tt I won't give it to you

dorsetknob · Jul 13, 2015

There are going to be Lots of Resentful people around after they upgrade to skynet

people will Remember Arni saying "" I'll Be Back"" and they will want to go back to Haswell/broadwell ect because Skylake is not going to deliver what they expect as an UPGRADE

64K · Jul 13, 2015

dorsetknob said:
There are going to be Lots of Resentful people around after they upgrade to skynet

people will Remember Arni saying "" I'll Be Back"" and they will want to go back to Haswell/broadwell ect because Skylake is not going to deliver what they expect as an UPGRADE

If they upgrade to Skylake without reading some reviews and therefore have an idea what Skylake will offer them then what can you do to help people like that? For someone on Haswell/Broadwell there is little reason to upgrade to Skylake unless you want some feature that it offers. Just like there was no reason for me to upgrade from Ivy Bridge to Haswell but these small 10% incremental increases in performance do add up over time so for me I plan a Skylake build unless it turns out to be a steaming turd. The reviews will tell. If it isn't what I hope it to be then I will wait for Cannonlake.

crazyeyesreaper · Jul 13, 2015

Didnt a few leaked benchmarks show Skylake is about 6% faster than Haswell overall? With that being heavily influenced by the IGP being 29% faster.

CrAsHnBuRnXp · Jul 13, 2015

I still really want to see an i5 2500k vs i5 6500k (stock and oc) comparison to see what the improvement margin is (or isnt)

peche · Jul 13, 2015

CrAsHnBuRnXp said:
I still really want to see an i5 2500k vs i5 6500k (stock and oc) comparison to see what the improvement margin is (or isnt)

me too.....

I'm pretty sure that my ivy bridge will last 2 years more being powerful, so no need to move on from my system, hopping that a video card will help me to get better textures on most games, looking forward to a GTX 970 at minimum, gigabyte obviously!

I will be seat watching the bullfight between skylake and all the existing processors/ games / apps / benchs and related topics,

Regards,

horik · Jul 13, 2015

peche said:
me too.....

I'm pretty sure that my ivy bridge will last 2 years more being powerful, so no need to move on from my system, hopping that a video card will help me to get better textures on most games, looking forward to a GTX 970 at minimum, gigabyte obviously!

I will be seat watching the bullfight between skylake and all the existing processors/ games / apps / benchs and related topics,

Regards,

After adding an SSD for OS and some games and then upgrading the video card (got an GTX 970), now I may change my mind about an upgrade to Skylake.

peche · Jul 13, 2015

horik said:
After adding an SSD for OS and some games and then upgrading the video card (got an GTX 970), now I may change my mind about an upgrade to Skylake.

nothing to envy to those new generations!
Regards,

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