NVIDIA GeForce GTX 480 Fermi

[erocker]

Meh, I think people know what it is now. It's not spectacular by any means. People do have a choice. There will be plenty of air cooled versions and if someone buys one without knowing these are hot cards that need very good airflow it's on them. I know a Lamborghini's suck a lot of gas and break down often but that's not the reason I'd buy one.

 

[20mmrain]

Meh, I think people know what it is now. It's not spectacular by any means. People do have a choice. There will be plenty of air cooled versions and if someone buys one without knowing these are hot cards that need very good airflow it's on them. I know a Lamborghini's suck a lot of gas and break down often but that's not the reason I'd buy one.

You got a point there..... but I would compare this more too.... a Bently...... Fast enough and comfortable...... but by no means fast enough to compete with a Enzo.

But well spoken none the less Erocker

 

[entropy13]

Lamborghinis suck a lot of gas because of the big engines, but they're quite efficient compared to American "super cars" with big engines.

GTX 480 would be more like American super cars than European.

 

[20mmrain]

Lamborghinis suck a lot of gas because of the big engines, but they're quite efficient compared to American "super cars" with big engines.

Nvidia would be more like American super cars than European.

+1 But my comparison was more GTX 480 vs 5970 .... but I think yours might of flowed out better!

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I wonder how many heads are rolling for this screw up at Nvidia. I mean a card with specs like this one should easily be way more powerful than what it is. I mean they stilled pulled off a Engineering marvel of a video card. And Fermi actually works..... But with how hot it runs. I can't expect that the longevity of these cards are expected to be very long.

 

[erocker]

Lamborghinis suck a lot of gas because of the big engines, but they're quite efficient compared to American "super cars" with big engines.

GTX 480 would be more like American super cars than European.

I was using Lamborghini as a somewhat generic term, but you seem to know your cars. The newer Ford GT comes to mind then. Now that sucks fuel! (drives way nicer IMO )

The 5850 is a supercharged Elise.

Now look what I'm doing.

Cheers.

 

[entropy13]

I was using Lamborghini as a somewhat generic term, but you seem to know your cars. The newer Ford GT comes to mind then. Now that sucks fuel! (drives way nicer IMO )

The 5850 is a supercharged Elise.

Now look what I'm doing.

Cheers.

Well an Elise isn't as fast as the Ford GT, so yeah the 480 is faster than the 5850, but the Ford consumes more.

 

[phanbuey]

5850 = caterham super 7

 

[TheMailMan78]

Lamborghinis suck a lot of gas because of the big engines, but they're quite efficient compared to American "super cars" with big engines.

GTX 480 would be more like American super cars than European.

And you do not know much about American engines then if you think that. But thats a disscussion for another thread. PM me if you want details.

The fact is that Nvidia screwed up this round and was too ambitious. They made a card that runs hotter then the competition. They made a card that uses more power than the competition. They also made a card that despite having a 6 month later due date .... is only about 10% better then the competition.
With from what I hear Nvidia was having money problems to begin with. I don't think this will be the end for Nvidia. But I think we might see a couple of low years from them. I think we might also see things like the market share start to become more 50/50 over the next year or two.

But while I have always been more in favor for the red team..... these problems that Nvidia could start having still doesn't make me excited. All these problems mean that price wars are probably out of the question. I think that is bad news for everyone.

Let's hope with maybe some driver tweaks and a little bit of reworking like (a 8800gt to a 9800gt or a GTX 280 to a GTX 285) Nvidia can pull this technology off.... and we can see even better technology in the future as well as some decent price wars happening in the future.

Although while these cards are listed for sell everywhere know one has one. So Maybe after non reference designs come out and we actually get to play with them..... they might not be as bad as they seem. (except for the heat issue.) That I am still not sure how they can control that with out a really beefed up air cooler if not having to be water cooled.

When I saw this ..... I didn't think it was a good sign.....

http://www.evga.com/products/moreInfo.asp?pn=015-P3-1489-AR&family=GeForce%20400%20Series%20Family

http://forums.techpowerup.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=34757&stc=1&d=1270605752

The only way EVGA can produce a FTW edition card is to have this thing water cooled. That isn't good at all!

Honestly I think Nvidia will come back the next round and blow ATIs socks off. Fermi as I predicted is Nvidias HD2900. We know what that lead to

 

[entropy13]

And you do not know much about American engines then if you think that. But thats a disscussion for another thread. PM me if you want details.

Obviously off-topic...

Ok, I don't know much about American engines. I wonder why there are more Japanese cars over here than American cars, even though the American cars are cheaper (because of "trade concessions" we have with the US in place every since they "gave us" independence).

I'm not pertaining to the high-end cars though, but rather the Honda Civic, City, Toyota Altis, Vios, and the Ford Focus, Lynx, the Chevrolet cars that I forgot the names. When it comes to the expensive vehicles over here its usually European cars, so you can't really compare the American high-ends over here.

 

[Wile E]

Well for sure if you had a loop..... but for people like me (who haven't invested in a loop yet) and for most of the other people in the world..... it won't be practical.

Face it even most gamers it wouldn't be practical for.

I think allot of Nvidia people were waiting for this card to come out and be the next big thing...... I believe most of those same people were waiting for it ..... so that they could upgrade their aging 8800GTX's or their 9800GTX's. I know I have heard allot of people claiming that.
So If I were someone waiting for this card..... and put all my eggs in one basket.... I would be upset too.

I mean sure they could always buy from ATI..... but come on .... call it fanboyism call it what ever you want. But card loyalty is just a fact of enthusiast life and if your brand comes out with a bomb .... your going to be a little bit angry. Especially if you need special equipment that you don't have to run it.

But with that said .... once I get my loop I would gladly play with a GTX 480 FTW too (If someone gave it to me). I bet you a good water loop could get that card down to at leeast 80c LOL



I don't know man....$649.99 for really mild extra performance. That seems like a big jump to me From $499.99 or $549.99. You could get a card that is 30% to 40% more powerful for about the same price.

Practicality is not a concern at the top end, period. You don't buy top end cards to be practical.

That said, $650 is actually a fair price for the eVGA water cooled card. The stock card is $500, and the full coverage blocks generally go for in between $120-150. An enthusiast would really save any money by buying a reference card and an aftermarket full coverage block.

 

[Apocolypse007]

I was using Lamborghini as a somewhat generic term, but you seem to know your cars. The newer Ford GT comes to mind then. Now that sucks fuel! (drives way nicer IMO )

The 5850 is a supercharged Elise.

Now look what I'm doing.

Cheers.

so is this the 5970?

http://www.autointhenews.com/insanely-fast-now-has-a-face-the-2011-hennessey-venom-gt/

 

[Deleted member 24505]

yeah but can it go around corners.

I think the 5970 is a ariel atom (awesome little motor)

 

[KainXS]

there are custom designs popping up that use less power

As we’ve stated before in our GTX 480 review, there will likely be a ton of custom PCB designs out there that could possibly help Nvidia stay in the game, although as it stands right now there still aren’t any GTX 480’s out there for sale yet and the card is indeed quite hot and power hungry. AIBs hope to remedy both of these issues with custom coolers and non-reference designs.

Taiyanfa's custom design PCB lowers the maximum power consumption to 225W [75W from PCIe x16, two 6-pin connectors count for additional 150W total], which is most probably achieved by lowering the GPU clock. However, we see a lot of potential in this design - for instance, populating six PCIe slots on All-PCIe boards such as ASUS P6T6/P6T7 or EVGA's X58 Classified 4-Way SLI for a GPGPU computing monster, single card design for HTPC chassis, or simply users that don't have 8+6-pin power - such as numerous workstation chassis or already assembled computers from Dell, HP and the like

would be nice to see a 470 with this design

 

[dumo]

It will be in stock tomorrow http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814125319&cm_re=GTX_480-_-14-125-319-_-Product

Dunno how many they will have in stock, probly it will be sold out in a few hours

 

[mdsx1950]

I wonder how the 3 way SLI performance will be on a GTX480.

 

[eidairaman1]

if you can keep the temps down long enough to run them in SLI.

 

[TheMailMan78]

Obviously off-topic...

Ok, I don't know much about American engines. I wonder why there are more Japanese cars over here than American cars, even though the American cars are cheaper (because of "trade concessions" we have with the US in place every since they "gave us" independence).

I'm not pertaining to the high-end cars though, but rather the Honda Civic, City, Toyota Altis, Vios, and the Ford Focus, Lynx, the Chevrolet cars that I forgot the names. When it comes to the expensive vehicles over here its usually European cars, so you can't really compare the American high-ends over here.

If you honestly want to learn PM me. What I don't know I'm sure Wile E and Erocker could help. Wile E is heavy into Jap tuning and Erocker owns an auto shop. But Ill tell you right now you are following a myth on American engines. A good example is the LS series or the Ford Modulars.

 

[20mmrain]

Practicality is not a concern at the top end, period. You don't buy top end cards to be practical.

That said, $650 is actually a fair price for the eVGA water cooled card. The stock card is $500, and the full coverage blocks generally go for in between $120-150. An enthusiast would really save any money by buying a reference card and an aftermarket full coverage block.

Yeah that might be true about the practicality thing but..... Even most high end machines don't have water cooling. And even if our high end systems are not practical. That still doesn't mean I will buy a water cooling loop just to buy a video card. Buying a water cooling loop just to get a video card that is stock overclocked is not just un-practical..... it's kind of not smart. But if your buying it with the original thought of going to be water cooled or you already are....... then sure it makes sense. So my point still stands.

Also......to need a water block if you ask me..... should have one hell of an over clock to go with it. That card really does not. Even at 100 extra mhz....... a video card should not need a water block for that.

Honestly I think Nvidia will come back the next round and blow ATIs socks off. Fermi as I predicted is Nvidias HD2900. We know what that lead to

Yeah but also remember how far behind Nvidia is with their next generation. ATI could be on their second generation from the 5800 series by the time that rolls around.

No in reality..... I just think that things are finally evening out. I think from now one we will see even competition for awhile! Like one manufacturer will beat the other by 10% from time to time but otherwise will be on a pretty even keel.

But I could be wrong..... but just remember ATI's Commander and cheif made a mission statement to beat Nvidia from now on. I don't think that will always happen..... but I think it will be more even because of that push!

 

[phanbuey]

Yeah that might be true about the practicality thing but..... Even most high end machines don't have water cooling. And even if our high end systems are not practical. That still doesn't mean I will buy a water cooling loop just to buy a video card. Buying a water cooling loop just to get a video card that is stock overclocked is not just un-practical..... it's kind of not smart. But if your buying it with the original thought of going to be water cooled or you already are....... then sure it makes sense. So my point still stands.

Also......to need a water block if you ask me..... should have one hell of an over clock to go with it. That card really does not. Even at 100 extra mhz....... a video card should not need a water block for that.

No its for people like me that already HAVE a full loop... and the waterblock is for whatever overclock you apply to it. Assuming that card has voltage control of some sort.

I would totally buy that card if it was cheaper than a stock card and a waterblock. Especially if they could guarantee that this card was cherry-picked.

 

[20mmrain]

No its for people like me that already HAVE a full loop... and the waterblock is for whatever overclock you apply to it. Assuming that card has voltage control of some sort.

I would totally buy that card if it was cheaper than a stock card and a waterblock. Especially if they could guarantee that this card was cherry-picked.

No I agree.... you are right it is people that already have a loop. But for as long as I can really remember most FTW versions were Air cooled first. Before water cooled...... I might be wrong on that.

But even so.....What my whole point is..... that it must be a bad sign that in order even to make a FTW version it needs to be water cooled. Just more or less saying that the longevity of this card is going to be terrible because of the heat that it runs at.

 

[Wile E]

Yeah that might be true about the practicality thing but..... Even most high end machines don't have water cooling. And even if our high end systems are not practical. That still doesn't mean I will buy a water cooling loop just to buy a video card. Buying a water cooling loop just to get a video card that is stock overclocked is not just un-practical..... it's kind of not smart. But if your buying it with the original thought of going to be water cooled or you already are....... then sure it makes sense. So my point still stands.

Also......to need a water block if you ask me..... should have one hell of an over clock to go with it. That card really does not. Even at 100 extra mhz....... a video card should not need a water block for that.



Yeah but also remember how far behind Nvidia is with their next generation. ATI could be on their second generation from the 5800 series by the time that rolls around.

No in reality..... I just think that things are finally evening out. I think from now one we will see even competition for awhile! Like one manufacturer will beat the other by 10% from time to time but otherwise will be on a pretty even keel.

But I could be wrong..... but just remember ATI's Commander and cheif made a mission statement to beat Nvidia from now on. I don't think that will always happen..... but I think it will be more even because of that push!

The water cooled cards are targeted at people that already have a loop (or 2 in my case. lol), or those that already plan to get them. And the Factory watercooled cards never were really uber clocked. They left that to the buyer most of the time.

If I planned on grabbing a 480, I'd seriously consider this card for it's single slot profile. It would take me buying a full coverage block to get it down to single slot anyway, so why not buy one that already comes that way for around the same price as DIY?

The eVGA card is targeted at a different market than the air cooled cards. It is definitely niche, and can't really be compared to the air cards, tbh.

 

[erocker]

If you honestly want to learn PM me. What I don't know I'm sure Wile E and Erocker could help. Wile E is heavy into Jap tuning and Erocker owns an auto shop. But Ill tell you right now you are following a myth on American engines. A good example is the LS series or the Ford Modulars.

We were speaking about supercars. The Europeans have us beat and then some in that department. They also have the sensibility to use diesels in cars. Fully loaded Jaguar XJ that does 60mpg. Can't get that here. We should take this over to generalnonsense.net Here's the thread: http://www.generalnonsense.net/showthread.php?p=36036#post36036

 

[Wile E]

We were speaking about supercars. The Europeans have us beat and then some in that department. They also have the sensibility to use diesels in cars. Fully loaded Jaguar XJ that does 60mpg. Can't get that here. We should take this over to generalnonsense.net Here's the thread: http://www.generalnonsense.net/showthread.php?p=36036#post36036

One last OT. Americans still have the super car crown. http://www.shelbysupercars.com/car-specs.php

I'll take mine in Palladium, please. lol

 

[entropy13]

We were speaking about supercars. The Europeans have us beat and then some in that department. They also have the sensibility to use diesels in cars. Fully loaded Jaguar XJ that does 60mpg. Can't get that here. We should take this over to generalnonsense.net Here's the thread: http://www.generalnonsense.net/showthread.php?p=36036#post36036

Approve my post there please LOL

How long was post moderation in place already? Last time I checked out generalnonsense there weren't any post moderation yet.

 

[mdsx1950]

if you can keep the temps down long enough to run them in SLI.

On Water Cooling it should be able to run them on 3-way SLI.