Invading Subscriber Privacy - Senate Says ISPs Can Now Sell Your Data

[alucasa]

So, the conclusion is that the end is nigh?

Let's all commit suicide. Why bother?

Yeee, the Senate passed a privacy invading law, we are doomed.

 

[deu]

So, the conclusion is that the end is nigh?

Let's all commit suicide. Why bother?

Yeee, the Senate passed a privacy invading law, we are doomed.

The solution is VPN proxy and encrypted data.

 

[alucasa]

Have fun in China then.

Oh, boy. Never fun in that country.

 

[Totally]

Moreover, I think your approach is heavily biased because you live in US - a very specific country. US government officially knows fairly little about its citizens. You don't even have an ID, which means that formally your country doesn't even know how many Americans there are.
That's exactly why it's such a big thing now that FBI wants to get access to some client databases.

Outside of US it's usually the government who knows the most about you.

That isn't true post 9-11, it is now required that all individuals of working age have a state issued I.D., Driving and/or Driving Permit/License. Those are then linked to a federal database, if you are unaware of this you either are not from the US, or haven't needed to have an ID/License issued or renewed in the past 8 years.

 

[Steevo]

Well aren't you a lovely cup of tea? A defeatist through and though.

FYI regulated doesn't have to mean you give up any of your freedom. In fact the article in question only pertained to the ISP's ABILITY TO SELL YOUR DATA.

Also, the wild west turned into California, Nveda, ect. Last I checked, the only freedom they gave up in comparison to the wild west was the constant threat of violence. You seems to have one hell of a misconstrued vision of the past.

I believe what was meant is, everything is legal till it's not, so for example drinking unsweetened iced tea on your front porch on Sunday may be legal now, but let's say all the religious people decide EVERYONE must attend church, and they get a law passed that on Sunday you cannot drink unsweetened iced tea. The government is a form of control, by laws and the punishments that accompany them, and thus it has a direct interference with all the freedoms we naturally posess, and thus every law passed is a direct infringement on our freedoms.

Now, we could argue semantics about what about murder, theft.....etc. But if we need to do that it means the actual point was missed, and there is no reasoning.

 

[lexluthermiester]

This just isn't a problem if you use a VPN..

Have fun in China then.

Oh, boy. Never fun in that country.

I've been to China. It's not great, but it's not that bad either. Except the pollution. The air is far more likely to get you than the chinese government.

 

[Dave65]

Right down party lines, imagine that!

 

[Assimilator]

Sure, it's fine when the NSA/CIA illegally collect all of data but when an ISP does it legally then people suddenly care. This is a political issue. If people cared about privacy then they would be marching in the streets against what the NSA and CIA have been doing illegally for years.

The NSA/CIA/FBI are doing it to (allegedly) protect the public. So it's arguable that for them to do it is in the public's best interests.
ISPs are doing it to make a buck. The only interests it's best for are those of the ISPs and those who they sell the data to.

Attempting to conflate the two is laughable.

 

[Ivaroeines]

This may actually be a blessing in disguise for us who are fed up, concerned and/or afraid of the Internets lack of privacy. It may trigger an upsurge of companies providing VPN services and things like the Tor network(never more secure variants) may get a more positive(well deserved) reputation and press covering, criminals(some think they are, some think they only are voyeurs) like NSA, CIA and most other intelligence organisations may find the coming times more difficult.

I have always been a person that think that proactive actions are useful, in the case of NSA i could use words like bomb, explosion and massacre "randomly" in posts like this and planning terrorist attacks between myself and myself(me having 2 or more email accounts) are by no means illegal. Something similar could be done in this case, having "paparazzi" photos taken of CEO's(other executives also) of ISP's that sell internet info and the same for CEO's buying(and using) this info and the visiting sites posting these images, this may make them rethink their strategy. One should remember that these people think their life is open to the public(similar to the "Big Brother" show), we could at least come to this conclusion.

 

[notb]

That isn't true post 9-11, it is now required that all individuals of working age have a state issued I.D., Driving and/or Driving Permit/License.

I meant an ID as an identification number, not a document (ID card). But lets keep it your way.

I've just checked again and from what I've seen it is not mandatory. It is merely necessary in some situations (opening a bank account, boarding a plane etc). As such, you can still live in the US as a "free man" (Wild West style). Also, it seems that even if you have and ID card, you are not obligated to carry it all the time (other than driving, obviously). Is this correct?

And this is still a document used only if you don't have a driving license and issued by a DMV, which is rather cute.

Just the fact that you could be 30 when applying for a Driving License and you'd have to prove your name or date of birth (because the government is not keeping such data) is like decades apart from what is going on in other countries.
Sure, we all admire the sense of freedom that US government gives (at the same being a leader in tracking people via multiple internal safety agencies ), but hasn't it gone too far? Or rather - why isn't US going with the global trends? In most countries

I think it is common to treat SSN as a US-equivalent of and ID. But again, AFAIK it is not mandatory. If you don't pay taxes, you don't need one. If you don't want tax benefits stemming from having children, you don't have to apply for SSNs for them (until they need it themselves). Can you confirm?

 

[Caring1]

As far as I know, you are required to carry I.D. or technically you could be charged with vagrancy.

 

[R-T-B]

I figured Trump would make America great again? ;D

America was great before Trump got to it. The question is how bad it will go down the toilet now.

It's too bad that I won't be alive to see the space age.

It will be the new, HUGE, frontier for mankind. I can feel it... I just won't be there to experience it.

Wish I was born 1,000 years later...

Maybe you should fight for the frontier you have while you're alive? I have a feeling if you were born in the space age, your post would be longing for interdimensional travel and proclaiming the space age frontier "dying"

A defeatist will always be defeated. It does not matter when he is born.

As far as I know, you are required to carry I.D. or technically you could be charged with vagrancy.

In America, Vagrancy laws have been off the books for a very very long time. You may be using the wrong term. Legally speaking, vagrancy generally is a term not for lacking ID, but for "hanging around" too long. (It used to be a blanket way to clear out the homeless).

 

[notb]

As far as I know, you are required to carry I.D. or technically you could be charged with vagrancy.

I've just checked with someone who knows US way better than I do (still, not a citizen - I don't know any) and it still seems to be a NO. You are not required to carry an ID.
I couldn't find any Act saying otherwise (any source maybe?)
It seems you're merely required to identify yourself - it doesn't mean you need a document to confirm anything (I guess it varies between states according to the local "Stop and identify" statute).

From what I've learned you only need an ID while driving (but a driving license is an ID) and of course when a situation makes it mandatory to show one (buying alcohol, opening an account etc).

Because I think we're mixing things up a bit, I can tell how it works in Europe (and in fact most other developed countries).
You usually have an ID number given at birth. It is mandatory (even if you don't use state insurance or pay taxes).
All adults need to posses a valid ID card, which is a separate document (not a driving license).
In some countries carrying the ID card is mandatory at all time.

 

[TheMailMan78]

You guys thinking you had privacy before is F#$KING LAUGHABLE! The NSA/CIA records EVERYTHING! They just need a "secret court" order to "use" it against you. Jesus I don't agree with what congress just did but its such small potato's compared to what they have been doing since 911. Also VPN? Proxy? Please. Not even TOR is "safe" anymore. Just ask the FBI. They let a MASSIVE child porn ring and sex slave trade go because they didn't want to expose how they got the info from so called "safe" VPN,Proxy and TOR. Let that sink in for a moment. They let a group of men and woman who kidnap, rape and kill children go because they didn't want to expose their cyber security/spy tools. You think you're anon/1337 haxor? You are a moron.

I swear for a tech site there are a crap top of naïve idiots on here.

 

[Ivaroeines]

You guys thinking you had privacy before is F#$KING LAUGHABLE! The NSA/CIA records EVERYTHING! They just need a "secret court" order to "use" it against you. Jesus I don't agree with what congress just did but its such small potato's compared to what they have been doing since 911. Also VPN? Proxy? Please. Not even TOR is "safe" anymore. Just ask the FBI. They let a MASSIVE child porn ring and sex slave trade go because they didn't want to expose how they got the info from so called "safe" VPN,Proxy and TOR. Let that sink in for a moment. They let a group of men and woman who kidnap, rape and kill children go because they didn't want to expose their cyber security/spy tools. You think you're anon/1337 haxor? You are a moron.

I swear for a tech site there are a crap top of naïve idiots on here.

VPN and similar things most likely aren't secure(i don't have that type of knowledge), but i do believe they cause the workload for NSA to increase, and when/if more people use these things new solutions that are safer may come up faster, that's my point(had a previous post). When you call people moron's, you should be careful with that statement, example, some people(even some car makers do) think that bigger rims and lower profile(wider also) tires improve the handling of a car(normal car), nothing is farther from the truth, i don't go around calling people/car makers moron's for not knowing this.

 

[Caring1]

[QUOTE="Ivaroeines, post: 3627483, member: 158062"example, some people(even some car makers do) think that bigger rims and lower profile(wider also) tires improve the handling of a car(normal car), nothing is farther from the truth, i don't go around calling people/car makers moron's for not knowing this.[/QUOTE]

I think you lack the knowledge to pass judgement on that topic, based on that statement.
I will agree though that extremely low profile tires that are no more than rubber bands on rims do nothing for the handling.

 

[Totally]

Because I think we're mixing things up a bit, I can tell how it works in Europe (and in fact most other developed countries).
You usually have an ID number given at birth. It is mandatory (even if you don't use state insurance or pay taxes).
All adults need to posses a valid ID card, which is a separate document (not a driving license).
In some countries carrying the ID card is mandatory at all time.

Mostly the same thing in the US.

You usually have an ID number given at birth. (Federally issued SSN)
All adults need to posses a valid ID card, which is a separate document (Issued by state but tied to SSN, for all intents and purposes now doubles as a federal id)
In some countries carrying the ID card is mandatory at all time. (Yes, you don't have to carry it around the clock but you can't do much without it)

Also you seem to be unaware that a driving license supersedes an ID card, it is an ID card with an endorsement that allows you to drive. It is not a separate doc.

 

[Breit]

On the bright side, lets go ahead and buy Donald Trumps browsing history. It'll be a fun read I guess.

 

[alucasa]

Maybe you should fight for the frontier you have while you're alive? I have a feeling if you were born in the space age, your post would be longing for interdimensional travel and proclaiming the space age frontier "dying"

A defeatist will always be defeated. It does not matter when he is born.

I've been trolling in this thread. Look how many lurkers are coming out due to its political nature. Bringing out lurkers feel like rape.

Kids ~ kids, candies here ~ Come on out.

They do come out. Amazing.

 

[Easy Rhino]

The NSA/CIA/FBI are doing it to (allegedly) protect the public. So it's arguable that for them to do it is in the public's best interests.
ISPs are doing it to make a buck. The only interests it's best for are those of the ISPs and those who they sell the data to.

Attempting to conflate the two is laughable.

Well my ISP can't put me in jail so....

 

[TheMailMan78]

Well my ISP can't put me in jail so....

lol peope are worried about ISP's when the IRS pleads the 5th when asked if they targeted people based off of their political leanings. Weaponized IRS ok. ISP selling your porn habits bad.

This planet is screwed.

 

[dalekdukesboy]

On the bright side, lets go ahead and buy Donald Trumps browsing history. It'll be a fun read I guess.

I'd prefer to read Hillary's email, less 33k missing of course. That's a lot of yoga and wedding emails! rt junkie was right...simply the way this article was written was a grenade with the pin almost falling out. If this is Breitbart, MSNBC, Politico, NYT, or some other political organization (hardly "news" anymore) I'd be all for it but this just seems to be a way to turn techpowerup into techpoliticsup.

 

[notb]

Mostly the same thing in the US.
You usually have an ID number given at birth. (Federally issued SSN)

I'm aware of SSN, but how exactly do you use it?
When you sign a contract (for a flat, a car, an internet/mobile plan etc) do you use your SSN? Is it written on the document?

All adults need to posses a valid ID card, which is a separate document (Issued by state but tied to SSN, for all intents and purposes now doubles as a federal id)
In some countries carrying the ID card is mandatory at all time. (Yes, you don't have to carry it around the clock but you can't do much without it)

Well this is surprising, but you seem very confident.
I used to think (and all I've found on the web seems to support it), that ID cards are not obligatory. Yes, you often need them to confirm your identity, but you are allowed not to have them.

But assuming what you've said is true, I'm somehow surprised by what I find on official websites.
https://dmv.ny.gov/id-card/bget-non-driver-id-card-ndid
Fragment:
"Who can get a non-driver ID (NDID) card
A person any age can get a non-driver ID card."

In Poland (where the ID card is mandatory for adults) you must apply for your first ID card before you turn 18. If you don't, you're actually breaking the law and are subject to detention or fine (same if you don't renew it in time).

Also you seem to be unaware that a driving license supersedes an ID card, it is an ID card with an endorsement that allows you to drive. It is not a separate doc.

I know that very well and actually mentioned it before. I actually used to work "cute" to describe a situation when an ID card is in fact an ID document for the unfortunate that don't have a Driving License. And that the ID card is issued by DMV. Just how American is that?

 

[TheMailMan78]

I'd prefer to read Hillary's email, less 33k missing of course. That's a lot of yoga and wedding emails! rt junkie was right...simply the way this article was written was a grenade with the pin almost falling out. If this is Breitbart, MSNBC, Politico, NYT, or some other political organization (hardly "news" anymore) I'd be all for it but this just seems to be a way to turn techpowerup into techpoliticsup.

Truth me told I'm not a big fan of all the front page political stuff that's been going. I DO LIKE the new news guys. I just wish it was more focused on new tech and not government abuse.

Come on guys you write well bring back my TPU!

 

[BiggieShady]

Attempting to conflate the two is laughable.

Laughable? How could possibly governments and corporations be ever connected indeed ... I'm laughing already

The NSA/CIA records EVERYTHING!

I'm wondering if they connected that data to their deep learning gpu cloud yet ...

This planet is screwed.

My optimistic younger self would love to disagree, but that dude is stuck in the past