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GeForce GTX 1080 Ti Supply is Reportedly Dwindling, Prices on the Rise

eidairaman1 said:
They are phasing it out, just not the way most want it to be...
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This isn't phasing out. If they we're to phase it out they'd start by ending production of Top tier 1080tis(factory oc cards, special eds), after a period of time mid-tier 1080tis(in-betweeners), followed bottom-tier (bargain no-frills brown boxers) doing this no one even notices until they're gone and by then don't care. They've just ended EOL'd everthing all at once and ended production abruptly.
 
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I remember when I could buy a high end card for 500can. Now I won't buy games, because I can't run them, and can only dream of the 2100can price of a video card. Gaming only for the rich now.....
Hope the gaming industry realizes that a lot of us are now shut out, and will not bother buying games any more because of the ridiculous video card prices.
 
johnspack said:
I remember when I could buy a high end card for 500can. Now I won't buy games, because I can't run them, and can only dream of the 2100can price of a video card. Gaming only for the rich now.....
Hope the gaming industry realizes that a lot of us are now shut out, and will not bother buying games any more because of the ridiculous video card prices.
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Depends how you game. If you want high-end console like experience (1080p@60fps) a 150-200$ 2nd hand Video Card will suffice in most cases (GTX 1060 or eq.)
 
Prima.Vera said:
Depends how you game. If you want high-end console like experience (1080p@60fps) a 150-200$ 2nd hand Video Card will suffice in most cases (GTX 1060 or eq.)
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What is this "console" you speak of? I've been gaming since 8088 days on a computer, the way it's meant to be played! I get 60-100fps on max settings for all games upto 2013, and most upto 2015.
I'm almost blind in one eye, so I need max settings just to see what the hell I'm doing. But I'm done here... 1080ti to play newer, and upto 800us... that's 1kcan... nope. My ancient 980ti will dust a 1060 by the way....
 
Aye, unless you want to play in 4K, no reason at all to upgrade your video card for another 2-3 generations. I know I won't...
 
Prima.Vera said:
Aye, unless you want to play in 4K, no reason at all to upgrade your video card for another 2-3 generations. I know I won't...
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I'm running dual 1440p screens, the upgrade to the 2080 was very much worth it. If you're 1080p gaming then yeah the upgrade is subjective.
 
Prima.Vera said:
150-200$ 2nd hand Video Card will suffice in most cases
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No, it won't. This is where NON-PRO PS4 is at the moment.

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The shoe is on the other foot, now.

For many years, it has been AMD that has brought innovations with their cards that required game developers to enable it in their games: most of these innovations either took very slow adoption or fell flat on their face.

Now it's nVidia that has brought innovation in the form of Ray Tracing but it too requires game developers to enable it in their games. For now, the adoption is simply non existent but it's still quite early so that may change.

Back on topic: if indeed this rumor is true and nVidia has stopped production of 1080Ti cards, this can potentially be quite bad for their 2080 / 2080Ti cards sales, unless they adjust their prices because i believe most people will either not upgrade to one of these due to price or wait for next gen in the hopes that forces current gen to drop in price, with both meaning a sharp drop in sales on current gen high end, including 2080.
 
Xaled said:
Why? simpe answer ! GREED. They more they get paid the greedier they become.
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Does a car company keep making last year’s models? Assembly lines have to be retooled to the new models.

These greed answers by many I am willing to bet are all from people with no backgrounds in business, never either working in major business or running their own business.
 
rtwjunkie said:
Does a car company keep making last year’s models? Assembly lines have to be retooled to the new models.

These greed answers by many I am willing to bet are all from people with no backgrounds in business, never either working in major business or running their own business.
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Pretty sure they do: depending on the product in question's popularity (sales), it should take several years for them to stop making it.

What they'll most likely do is retool a much older / unsuccessful model to the newer model and / or create a plant specifically for it, depending on it's popularity.
 
HTC said:
Pretty sure they do: depending on the product in question's popularity (sales), it should take several years for them to stop making it.

What they'll most likely do is retool a much older / unsuccessful model to the newer model and / or create a plant specifically for it, depending on it's popularity.
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The answer is no they don’t. When the new models come out the only ones from m last year still being sold are ones already produced.
 
rtwjunkie said:
The answer is no they don’t. When the new models come out the only ones from m last year still being sold are ones already produced.
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You sure?

If the product in question is selling "like hot cakes", would it make sense to stop it's production so soon just because newer models were introduced? Unless ofc this newer model also sells "like hot cakes": then it actually makes sense.

OTOH, if a product is selling poorly and has had poor market adoption, then it stands to reason it will be phased out completely sooner rather than later, regardless if it was launched 2 years ago or just 6 months earlier.
 
rtwjunkie said:
Does a car company keep making last year’s models? Assembly lines have to be retooled to the new models.

These greed answers by many I am willing to bet are all from people with no backgrounds in business, never either working in major business or running their own business.
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Car companies don't change models every year, iirc they just update the year. When there is a refresh or new, most automakers don't roll it all at on the release is staggered amongst the markets i.e. Europe gets x 6 months ahead, while of the rest of the world is still on the previous model, then by mid year the it's released world-wide. BMW releases the base model of the 3/4 series while using the same chassis for the M version for a year longer. GM was even selling the C6/C7 simultaneously for a couple years, and there is rumor they're going to do the same thing for the C7/C8.
 
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rtwjunkie said:
Does a car company keep making last year’s models? Assembly lines have to be retooled to the new models.

These greed answers by many I am willing to bet are all from people with no backgrounds in business, never either working in major business or running their own business.
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Good example. Car companies dont make a 30% price increase for the newer model of the same car (class) every year. That is exactly what nvidia is doing.
 
rtwjunkie said:
The answer is no they don’t. When the new models come out the only ones from m last year still being sold are ones already produced.
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Actually yes, they do. Wolkswagen makes a new car, then refreshes it; the older models become new models for their "substitute" brands - Seat, Skoda - while they use new or old motors in all their lineup, and "only" update the appearance. Renault-Nisan, PSA group, Fiat-Chrysler also do that to some extent (the first step being reusing the chassis for another model)... All of that improve investments on new-ish plateforms, especially when you consider the bulk of the car market (entry- and middle-tier city cars, SUV)
 
All of you arguing the point are all using “refresh” as an example, versus an ACTUAL new model year. Even a refresh is not the same car as the year before. There are always changes, and these have to be built into at least portions of the assembly line. This is why a 2019 model is not a 2018 model. They produce a 2019 model, regardless of how many changes, not a 2018.

My uncle retired as a GM Executive, so I have a fair bit of insight into this.

It’s no different with cards. There is only so much production capacity allocated for each chip level. That’s why they cannot produce 1080Ti and 2080Ti at the same time.
 
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rtwjunkie said:
All of you arguing the point are all using “refresh” as an example, versus an ACTUAL new model year. Even a refresh is not the same car as the year before. There are always changes, and these have to be built into at least portions of the assembly line. This is why a 2019 model is not a 2018 model. They produce a 2019 model, regardless of how many changes, not a 2018.

My uncle retired as a GM Executive, so I have a fair bit of insight into this.

It’s no different with cards. There is only so much production capacity allocated for each chip level. That’s why they cannot produce 1080Ti and 2080Ti at the same time.
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The 2013-2016 Subaru BRZ, that's FOUR model years they are all the same car, refreshed for 2017 on the changes were front bumper and rear taillights were changed, inside gauge cluster, steering wheel, and navigation was updated. Rest of the car is exactly the same. These are things that require no retooling only changes in supplier. Your uncle did, you don't. Just because my cousin is an aerospace engineer at Boeing doesn't mean I can claim to know a thing or two about how planes are built. So you are kind of making stuff up.
 
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Your uncle did, you don't. Just because my cousin is an aerospace engineer at Boeing doesn't mean I can claim to know a thing or two about how planes are built. So you are kind of making stuff up.
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Perhaps you weren’t actually close enough with your cousin to have a lot of family talk about it? Too bad for you.

And you are missing the point. There is only so much TSMC capacity. If the 2080Ti is being produced, it is in place of the 1080Ti. It’s how they’ve always done it.

I edited to fix Ri to Ti.
 
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rtwjunkie said:
The answer is no they don’t. When the new models come out the only ones from m last year still being sold are ones already produced.
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That completely incorrect. EVERY car maker works on the 4, 6 or 8 year model/product cycle. Sure there are slight variations, but the model designs stay the same until a new model or version of model is released.

Example; The Honda Accord has been around for over 30 years and is restyled/retooled every 4 years. The Civic is the same. GMC does the same, but with some of their trucks being on 6 year cycles and a few even on 8 years cycles. Computer parts makers are no different, making parts until a something new is released but continuing with what is selling.
rtwjunkie said:
There is only so much TSMC capacity. If the 2080Ri is being produced, it is in place of the 1080Ti.
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True, but they don't replace it overnight. It's done in stages over several quarters.
rtwjunkie said:
It’s how they’ve always done it.
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No it isn't. They have always continued to sell existing models until popularity for them falls off and then they shift everything over to and ramp up production for the new products. And that is how it will continue.
 
rtwjunkie said:
Perhaps you weren’t actually close enough with your cousin to have a lot of family talk about it? Too bad for you.

And you are missing the point. There is only so much TSMC capacity. If the 2080Ri is being produced, it is in place of the 1080Ti. It’s how they’ve always done it.
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There is a flipside, maybe, and you have to ask why would they announce this, I had several thoughts that this might be a stunt to create a panic to get consumers to think prices will rise dramatically enough that they will buy what few cards are left so they can push the 20xx cards
 
lexluthermiester said:
No it isn't. They have always continued to sell existing models until popularity for them falls off and then they shift everything over to and ramp up production for the new products. And that is how it will continue.
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Actually, if you want to do a little research to see how wrong you are, the last couple model releases at least, TPU has carried stories stating that production ended on various different chip tiers within a month before the expected announcement of the new replacement. Whatever is for sale after that is in the pipeline already. Continuing to sell is NOT producing.
 
lexluthermiester said:
No it isn't. They have always continued to sell existing models until popularity for them falls off and then they shift everything over to and ramp up production for the new products. And that is how it will continue.
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Agreed.

When the new GPU cycle was smaller, you'd see the "year old" model manufacturing facilities being replaced with the new "next gen" model while starting to phase out "6 months old" model.

Instead, were being told previous model has already shut down a while back and what we see in the shops is the remnants of the availability, soon to be depleted.
 
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