Samsung Launches the 970 EVO Plus NVMe SSD Family

[Gungar]

960 evo was TLC, 970 Evo is now MLC

You are ranking for best misinformation of the year?

 

[nemesis.ie]

Amazing. This fully saturates the PCI-E 4x lanes. So even a RAID of this is useless. Time for PCI-E 8x drives or PCI-E 4(5?)

Why would a RAID of it be useless? That gets you past the bottleneck, e.g. a Threadripper board has at least 3 full X4 lanes, there's only an overall bottlneck if you go through a slow chipset connection.

If you only have 1 gfx card in your machine (as an example) on a chip with 16 lanes you get x8 for the GPU and still have the ability to have two other x4 M.2s in the other slot (if the UEFI supports PCIE splitting).

Back to TR, with one GPU you could have 9 or more in RAID running full speed (if the CPU/software can keep up is then the bottleneck, probably).

Agreed that PCIe 4.0 is a good thing to get though, it can allow more drives for the same lanes. x8 M.2 is less likely to happen IMO, not that I wouldn't welcome PCIe 4.0 x8 drives if affordable; 14GB/second from a single drive would be rather nice.

 

[Readlight]

Whit fast cpu it should load os in 5 seonds

 

[nemesis.ie]

Or less.

 

[bug]

Whit fast cpu it should load os in 5 seonds

Depends on the OS, really. A fresh install of Arch Linux, complete with KDE 5 boots in under 4 seconds using a rather dated OCZ Vertex 4 SATA SSD

 

[Mussels]

I find boot times vary based on mobo more than anything else

My intel 4th and 6th gen systems booted in <5 seconds, my ryzens all take longer

 

[R0H1T]

Pretty much, if you want sub 5s boot then hibernate or hybrid sleep are your most reliable options.

 

[bug]

I find boot times vary based on mobo more than anything else

My intel 4th and 6th gen systems booted in <5 seconds, my ryzens all take longer

True, UEFI is also part of the equation. Not to mention mine has 3 modes of booting: normal, fast (no USB booting) and ultra-fast (supposedly do fast you won't have time to hit Del to enter setup).

Pretty much, if you want sub 5s boot then hibernate or hybrid sleep are your most reliable options.

Hibernate doesn't do much these days. The time the whole memory dump is read from the SSD, is comparable to the time it takes to boot properly. Hibernate used to big a big help on HDDs, where it saved you a lot a head seek during boot.

 

[Mussels]

fast and ultra fast dont speed mine up, even NVME drives (970 evo and 970 pro) are slower than a regular SSD on the intels

It really does come down to the mobo's UEFI implementation, and it seems intel have an advantage there

 

[cucker tarlson]

seems to have the same problem as 970 evo,it blows everything out of the water as long as the turbo cache doesn't run out of slc buffer

https://www.purepc.pl/pamieci_masow...d_970_plus_nowe_pamieci_nowa_energia?page=0,8 1x7GB file
https://www.purepc.pl/pamieci_masow...d_970_plus_nowe_pamieci_nowa_energia?page=0,7 4GB worth of small files

but software installation times are so underwhelming

https://www.purepc.pl/pamieci_masow..._970_plus_nowe_pamieci_nowa_energia?page=0,13
https://www.purepc.pl/pamieci_masow..._970_plus_nowe_pamieci_nowa_energia?page=0,14


In practice,that is in real world testing like installation/loading times,all of the below:

adata sx8000
adata sx8200
plextor m9 (or even the old m8 one)
hp ex920
wd black 2018
sandisk extreme pro
intel 760p

are either as good or even better than 970 evo/evo plus at a lower price,in some cases like adata/hp considerably lower price.

 

[Valantar]

seems to have the same problem as 970 evo,it blows everything out of the water as long as the turbo cache doesn't run out of slc buffer

https://www.purepc.pl/pamieci_masow...d_970_plus_nowe_pamieci_nowa_energia?page=0,8 1x7GB file
https://www.purepc.pl/pamieci_masow...d_970_plus_nowe_pamieci_nowa_energia?page=0,7 4GB worth of small files

but software installation times are so underwhelming

https://www.purepc.pl/pamieci_masow..._970_plus_nowe_pamieci_nowa_energia?page=0,13
https://www.purepc.pl/pamieci_masow..._970_plus_nowe_pamieci_nowa_energia?page=0,14


In practice,that is in real world testing like installation/loading times,all of the below:

adata sx8000
adata sx8200
plextor m9 (or even the old m8 one)
hp ex920
wd black 2018
sandisk extreme pro
intel 760p

are either as good or even better than 970 evo/evo plus at a lower price,in some cases like adata/hp considerably lower price.

Considering that installing applications or games tend to be one-off events and relatively rare (do you install something every time you use your PC?), a few seconds difference matters little to me. How often do you install 50+GB games? I'd trust AnandTech's benchmarks more, as those are based on "playing back" recordings of actual disk access traces from real-life applications when in use - i.e. the type of loads actual drives see during actual use, at least with those applications. This of course includes app launch times and similar "loading" scenarios, including game loading. Their "Heavy" workload ought to be quite representative of power user access patterns, even if the games used are on the old side. And in AT's testing, these drives are highly competitive, including beating the EX920, Corsair Force MP510, WD Black SN750 and Adata SX8200. AT also tests drives when both fresh/empty and full (i.e. every write requires a read-erase-write cycle), which is important as your drive fills up. They also show a very decent performance improvement from 970 Evo to 970 Evo Plus.

 

[BadFrog]

You are ranking for best misinformation of the year?

yup, I went by the Samsung product page, but was corrected by Valantar in an earlier post

 

[Valantar]

Last SSDs I purchased was about 2 years ago, the 960 PRO and 960 EVO. I remember that they were extremely expensive, but now looking at prices, at least to me, 1TB and 2TB, especially 500GB NVME-drives look super affordable, I hope that this trend continues.

Agreed. 96-layer flash is likely to (somewhat) lower prices even more - to such an extent that most manufacturers are holding back 96-layer flash to not worsen the current oversupply. I just bought two 500GB 860 EVOs for my GF's video recorder, and I paid the same for them as I did for one 500GB 850 EVO three years ago. That really isn't bad.

Now I just wish HP would start selling their NVMe drives in Norway, as they look so good for the price.

 

[cucker tarlson]

Agreed. 96-layer flash is likely to (somewhat) lower prices even more - to such an extent that most manufacturers are holding back 96-layer flash to not worsen the current oversupply. I just bought two 500GB 860 EVOs for my GF's video recorder, and I paid the same for them as I did for one 500GB 850 EVO three years ago. That really isn't bad.

Now I just wish HP would start selling their NVMe drives in Norway, as they look so good for the price.

I got 860 evo 500gb and xpg sx950u 480gb for same that I paid for 850 Pro 256gb in 2016

 

[Valantar]

I got 860 evo 500gb and xpg sx950u 480gb for same that I paid for 850 Pro 256gb in 2016

Whoa! Hot damn, that's a good deal. I guess the question then is whether the new ones were crazy cheap or the old one was crazy expensive? Even for a Pro, that sounds pretty wild.

 

[cucker tarlson]

Whoa! Hot damn, that's a good deal. I guess the question then is whether the new ones were crazy cheap or the old one was crazy expensive? Even for a Pro, that sounds pretty wild.

a little bit of both. pro's have always cost a premium,even now. but these new tlc drives are super fast and available at banging prices.
I'm actually thinking of replacing my old 32gb usb flash drive with a 240gb ssd and putting it in a small,slick external enclosure.

 

[Valantar]

a little bit of both. pro's have always cost a premium,even now. but these new tlc drives are super fast and available at banging prices.
I'm actually thinking of replacing my old 32gb usb flash drive with a 240gb ssd and putting it in a small,slick a external enclosure.

Heh, I have a 500GB 850 Evo in an external encolsure "thanks to" buying it as an upgrade for a laptop that subsequently broke (for the n'th time, worth mentioning) and got refunded. Spare mSATA SSD + cheap USB 3.0 enclosure = best flash drive ever

 

[cucker tarlson]

what kind of enclosure are you using for msata to usb ?

this looks great,compact and fast,I never thought of getting an external msata drive

 

[Valantar]

what kind of enclosure are you using for msata to usb ?

this looks great,compact and fast,I never thought of getting an external msata drive

I got this one from Orico. Does need a cable, but the included 10cm one is fine. At least it's USB-C and not that awful micro-B 3.0 connector. Yours looks nice too, though I'd be a bit worried about the durability of the plug. Cables are replaceable, at least

 

[ChrisX0X]

would you buy the 970 evo plus 500gb or the 970 pro 512gb

 

[cucker tarlson]

would you buy the 970 evo plus 500gb or the 970 pro 512gb

out of the two the pro of course

otherwise a bigger 1tb value-friendly nvme

 

[ChrisX0X]

out of the two the pro of course

otherwise a bigger 1tb value-friendly nvme

thank you. im running a 950pro 256gb now, so I wonder if I will actually see real life difference :-/

 

[cucker tarlson]

thank you. im running a 950pro 256gb now, so I wonder if I will actually see real life difference :-/

other than size no.
if you're looking for bigger drives check out the prices on hp ex920,sx8200,wd black 2018,wd sn750,plextor m8 and m9,intel 760p first.sammys are great,I own three 850 pro's and a 860 evo myself,but they cost a premium. I got two adata drives recently,they both cost noticeably less than the samsung counterparts,and they perform as good.

 

[ChrisX0X]

other than size no.

i use 950pro as an OS drive; and im running an 850pro for games/software; and a synology 12tb raid10 server for movies/photo/etc
perhaps if i go 970pro 1tb and move games/software over, that would make a difference?

 

[cucker tarlson]

you mean you want to move from 950pro+850pro to one 970 drive ?
no,you wouldn't see a difference.I'd perfer your setup over a single 970. 950 pro is as good or a better drive than 970 evo. 850 pro has stupendously long warranty.
look at real wold tasks, 950 pro whips 970 evo. 970 evo is an amazing drive but once the turbo cache buffer wears out the performance drop is significant.
https://www.purepc.pl/pamieci_masow..._970_plus_nowe_pamieci_nowa_energia?page=0,13