Any Point in Getting a Non-Stock Cooler?

[Bones]

In my opinion doesn't do any harm, in fact it's just better for it since heat is the enemy of all electronics no matter how it's used.
Removing heat is one thing, removing enough so the chip always runs fine regardless of load is another plus cooler temps helps to resist degredation of the chip over time.

The more heat you can get rid of the better and "Better than stock coolers" are one way to do it.

 

[eidairaman1]

Stock is stock, it's meant for system integrators and OEMs due to size restraints

Don't get me wrong the WraithMax is a pretty good stock cooler but you are still limited by its size and fan size too.

Aftermarket coolers from Thermalright, Scythe, Be Quiet, Cryorig, CoolerMaster, Thermaltake all over quieter opteration and more physical material to dissipate heat into the atmosphere.

 

[avrona]

Several weeks? For a cooler?

Yes because the upgrade is already costing me way too much as is and any other parts will still be weeks if not months away after the initial upgrade.

Like most questions, the answer is "It depends."

1. You live in temperate (room temps 60 - 80 F) climate, not overclocking and decent case cooling ... stock cooler fine.
2. You live in temperate (room temps 60 - 80 F) climate, moderate OC, good case cooling ... think about a budget cooler ($30)
3. You live in temperate (room temps 60 - 80 F) climate, bawlz to the wall OC, case has (1) 120mm fan for every 50 - 75 watts ... grab a $45 Scythe Fuma, paying more won't get better cooling.
4. You live in hot (room temps 85 - 100+ F) climate, not overclocking and decent case cooling ... get a budget cooler
5. You live in hot (room temps 85 - 100+ F) climate, moderate OC, good case cooling ... spend the $45
6. You live in hot (room temps 85 - 100+ F) climate, bawlz to the wall OC, good case cooling ... I'd do something special.

Well I live in a temperate room in England so it's never too warm, most likely won't be overclocking, and got two case fans so I don't know if that counts as decent case cooling, they are just the fans that came with my case. So is that all fine then?

Stock is stock, it's meant for system integrators and OEMs due to size restraints

Don't get me wrong the WraithMax is a pretty good stock cooler but you are still limited by its size and fan size too.

Aftermarket coolers from Thermalright, Scythe, Be Quiet, Cryorig, CoolerMaster, Thermaltake all over quieter opteration and more physical material to dissipate heat into the atmosphere.

But apart from being more quiet which I can live with are there any other real benefits for me and my particular case? Like what would dissipating more heat mean for me and would it actually be useful?

 

[oxrufiioxo]

You're still assuming ryzen 3000 will come with a cooler period. Also nobody has any idea how hot it will be given the substantially higher thermal density. You'll be able to read reviews prior to purchase to get an idea of how thermals are and make a decision based on that, some tech sites should test a stock cooler if it has one. We also have no idea how boost will work you may get 10% more performance with a decent cooler you may get 0 with just higher temps nobody knows.

 

[avrona]

You're still assuming ryzen 3000 will come with a cooler period. Also nobody has any idea how hot it will be given the substantially higher thermal density. You'll be able to read reviews prior to purchase to get an idea of how thermals are and make a decision based on that, some tech sites should test a stock cooler if it has one. We also have no idea how boost will work you may get 10% more performance with a decent cooler you may get 0 with just higher temps nobody knows.

The thing is even if the stock cooler will be bad, I will still be stuck with it for weeks if not months, so if it will really be bad yes I will upgrade, but right now nothing really points to a high chance of it being bad.

 

[oxrufiioxo]

The thing is even if the stock cooler will be bad, I will still be stuck with it for weeks if not months, so if it will really be bad yes I will upgrade, but right now nothing really points to a high chance of it being bad.

If that's the case it seems like you don't really have a choice anyways. Just remember stock coolers dump all the heat in your case making other hardware run warmer. Even a $30 cooler can shave off 10c on a 1600 vs the stock cooler. That's pretty substantial to me for the cost difference.

The other thing we have no idea about is price in the first place. The 3600 could be 250-280 at launch given that Intel will only have an overpriced 6 core 9600k to compete with it

 

[avrona]

If that's the case it seems like you don't really have a choice anyways. Just remember stock coolers dump all the heat in your case making other hardware run warmer. Even a $30 cooler can shave off 10c on a 1600 vs the stock cooler. That's pretty substantial to me for the cost difference.

The other thing we have no idea about is price in the first place. The 3600 could be 250-280 at launch given that Intel will only have an overpriced 6 core 9600k to compete with it

Does more heat on my other things affect things though? My 1080 Ti has already plenty of cooling solutions in it and I doubt my sound card will care too much about some more heat, especially since it's almost fully shielded by my graphics card. But again, even if the stock cooler will be bad, it will still be ages before I can upgrade, and definitely way longer if it's not a big deal, as I want to get a NVME first.

We don't know the exact price but it is looking really well so far from all the rumours and leaks, but if the prices are really high, I may just go 2700x instead or just stay with my fx-8350 for a bit longer.

 

[oxrufiioxo]

Again nobody knows how bad or good the stock cooler will be or even if it will have one. The spire is garbage on the 2600x I can tell you that first hand.

 

[avrona]

Again nobody knows how bad or good the stock cooler will be or even if it will have one. The spire is garbage on the 2600x I can tell you that first hand.

Even if it is garbage though will it affect my setup a lot though?

 

[oxrufiioxo]

Even if it is garbage though will it affect my setup a lot though?

A 20$ garbage deepcool gammaxx 200T outperforms the spire so who knows. Again like I've said nobody but AMD has any idea. Hopefully in 3-4 months we will know. I plan on picking up whatever the 8 core version of the 3000 series is for a second PC. I personally don't plan on using anything less than a 240mm aio. Nothing other than waiting for reviews or buying it and testing it in your own setup is gonna answer your question definitively.

 

[EarthDog]

Come on man... you've got all the answers you need to make an educated decision. Just do it already and stop wasting peoples time asking the same question over and over (like your other threads).

 

[user112]

if your not overclocking and the CPU/APU isn't working on heavy loads like video encoding,3D CAD or emulation(as in N64 or newer) then you don't gain much from adding more cooling. 6 to 8 cores around 3.5GHz can run any software thats not doing one of those 3 tasks. if your not running 2080TIs in SLI or Radeon VIIs in crossfire you will never need more performance from your CPU to play native PC games.

 

[Vario]

You can buy a Coolermaster 212 off ebay for around $10. Used, new, doesn't really matter. The AM4 mounting kit isn't much money if you happen to get a non AM4 one.

 

[avrona]

if your not overclocking and the CPU/APU isn't working on heavy loads like video encoding,3D CAD or emulation(as in N64 or newer) then you don't gain much from adding more cooling. 6 to 8 cores around 3.5GHz can run any software thats not doing one of those 3 tasks. if your not running 2080TIs in SLI or Radeon VIIs in crossfire you will never need more performance from your CPU to play native PC games.

I do do video encoding but I doubt I really do it at a high enough level for my CPU to be struggling, as even for my current CPU it's a breeze. Also is a single 1080 Ti enough not to require much more CPU power?

 

[eidairaman1]

Yes because the upgrade is already costing me way too much as is and any other parts will still be weeks if not months away after the initial upgrade.

Well I live in a temperate room in England so it's never too warm, most likely won't be overclocking, and got two case fans so I don't know if that counts as decent case cooling, they are just the fans that came with my case. So is that all fine then?

But apart from being more quiet which I can live with are there any other real benefits for me and my particular case? Like what would dissipating more heat mean for me and would it actually be useful?

Overclocking and heat is dissipated quicker, not as easy to heatsoak an aftermarket cooler.

 

[lexluthermiester]

You're still assuming ryzen 3000 will come with a cooler period.

AMD has a long track record of including heatsinks with their CPU's. You can bet real money on it.

 

[hat]

Yeah, I think it's safe to assume they would come with coolers.

 

[oxrufiioxo]

AMD has a long track record of including heatsinks with their CPU's. You can bet real money on it.

I know, but we're still speculating on a product that doesn't yet exist at retail and about thermals on a 7nm CPU that AMD will try to push clocks as high as possible to compete with Intel.

 

[hat]

That doesn't mean you're not going to be able to cool them with a normal cooler. If AMD released a bunch of CPUs that required monstrous coolers like you see on sites like this one when someone is doing heavy overclocking, well, that would be ridiculous. And Dell, HP etc would laugh and hang up on them when AMD tried to call them to make a deal for prebuilt systems, because they're not shipping a PC to Average Joe with a mack truck radiator mounted on the CPU.

I don't know that the Sun is going to rise tomorrow, but I find it very likely and encourage my fellow Earthlings not to worry about the Sun disappearing any time soon.

 

[HTC]

AMD has a long track record of including heatsinks with their CPU's. You can bet real money on it.

And yet, Ryzen 1600X, 1700X and 1800X didn't come with one IIRC: only the non-X versions included the cooler.

As the saying goes: "assumption is the mother of all fvck-ups".

 

[hat]

Hmm. I looked quickly at the 2700x on Newegg, says it comes with the Wraith Prism. Then I looked at the 1800x and 1700x, no cooler included. Still, like Intel and the K CPUs, I don't fault them for that.

 

[biffzinker]

And yet, Ryzen 1600X, 1700X and 1800X didn't come with one IIRC: only the non-X versions included the cooler.

One time event only perhaps?

 

[HTC]

Hmm. I looked quickly at the 2700x on Newegg, says it comes with the Wraith Prism. Then I looked at the 1800x and 1700x, no cooler included. Still, like Intel and the K CPUs, I don't fault them for that.

All i'm saying is that, just because Zen + CPUs come with cooler, don't assume Zen 2 CPUs do too.

One time event only perhaps?

Actually, a three time event only: 3 CPUs in Zen era, but it is possible.

 

[lexluthermiester]

And yet, Ryzen 1600X, 1700X and 1800X didn't come with one IIRC: only the non-X versions included the cooler.

You recall incorrectly. The 1800x, 1700x and 1600x all had a boxed version with the RGB Wraith cooler. AMD always has two SKU's with their CPU's; One with a cooler and one without. This has been true since their K6 series of CPU's in the 90's. There has never been a variation from that, at least in the USA. Other regions might be different, but I doubt it.

 

[oxrufiioxo]

You recall incorrectly. The 1800x, 1700x and 1600x all had a boxed version with the RGB Wraith cooler. AMD always has two SKU's with their CPU's; One with a cooler and one without. This has been true since their K6 series of CPU's in the 90's. There has never been a variation from that, at least in the USA. Other regions might be different, but I doubt it.

https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/AMD/Ryzen_7_1800X/2.html

The Ryzen 7 1800X and 1700X retail packages lack stock cooling solutions,

https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/AMD/Ryzen_5_1600X/2.html

as well as the 1600X