AMD Confirms "Zen 3" with 64 MB 3DV Cache for Q1-2022, "Zen 4" Later, PCIe Gen5 + DDR5

[Ellertis]

AmD have a different CPU for mobile too you know, they haven't announced 3D cache for it, But, it will be due a update too.
I can still see AMD gaining market share on laptops , a lot of them are not used portably and you can get a day of work based battery use on an AMD lapy now already Soo I dunno, we will see.

And as for higher end laptops, they're not run on battery often and Intel won't compete so well here either.

Finally tangential argument that, the OP isn't about laptops.

For sure, Cezzane and Renoir are very good versus Tiger Lake, at 15w TGL is a joke. Though alder lake might change that

 

[Space Lynx]

I wish AMD would make more than one 6800m laptop... they literally only have one laptop with a zen cpu and 6800m gpu. its a bit silly considering how much time they have had...

 

[HisDivineOrder]

I wish AMD would make more than one 6800m laptop... they literally only have one laptop with a zen cpu and 6800m gpu. its a bit silly considering how much time they have had...

I wish AMD would make more GPU's. As in actually manufacture more.

 

[Space Lynx]

I wish AMD would make more GPU's. As in actually manufacture more.

the reason i point out the laptop one specifically is it seems almost like a publicity stunt cause its literally singular laptop in an ocean of nvidia laptops... just annoys me

 

[GURU7OF9]

From my perspective the E cores in alder lake in are there for a better multithread performance scaling in a given thermal package. Yes, power efficiency is more important in mobile where the power requirements are even more important. Though that doesn't mean you wouldn't get a performance uplift on desktop.
I still see a lot of people complaining about the E cores, saying they are worthless, when in fact a well multithreaded application will perform better than the only P core cpu, because the E cores are much better in a die size/energy efficiency ratio. 4 E cores take as much die size as 1 P core, though perform about 50%ish better in restricted power environment.

So what you are really saying is alder lake on the desktop runs too hot to have all big cores !
Or are you saying e cores really should be used for all p core locations cos they are faster and more energy efficient?
And the p cores are only there for single thread performance !

 

[Ellertis]

So what you are really saying is alder lake on the desktop runs too hot to have all big cores !
Or are you saying e cores really should be used for all p core locations cos they are faster and more energy efficient?
And the p cores are only their for single thread performance !

"Runs too hot" really depends on how pushed is it from the box, for example, zen 3 is more efficient than zen2, but its being pushed very hard with its boost algorithm. Does it mean zen3 is bad, no, because any cpu can be way more power efficient simply by underclocking and undervolting a tiny bit. Imo, pushing any cpu/gpu just for those 5-10% is a bit useless. What am I trying to say is, any cpu can run very hot, and every cpu can run very cool, while still performing decently. The E cores in alder lake are there for better multithread performance scaling in a given power package, not because it's too hot, it would be with only P cores, though not necessarily. Man it turns in a hell of a ramble, ehh. Basically, P and E cores strategy is very precise balancing act between cost(die size)/Power/Performance

 

[GURU7OF9]

"Runs too hot" really depends on how pushed is it from the box, for example, zen 3 is more efficient than zen2, but its being pushed very hard with its boost algorithm. Does it mean zen3 is bad, no, because any cpu can be way more power efficient simply by underclocking and undervolting a tiny bit. Imo, pushing any cpu/gpu just for those 5-10% is a bit useless. What am I trying to say is, any cpu can run very hot, and every cpu can run very cool, while still performing decently. The E cores in alder lake are there for better multithread performance scaling in a given power package, not because it's too hot, it would be with only P cores, though not necessarily. Man it turns in a hell of a ramble, ehh. Basically, P and E cores strategy is very precise balancing act between cost(die size)/Power/Performance

Well it will certainly be very interesting to see how it all turns out ! Roll on Nov 4th !
Just got to sort through all the spin from the facts!

 

[nemesis.ie]

This is one thing that annoys me with AMD. Cool now I can sell my less than a year old parts at a loss to have the latest and greatest

Erm, AMD's motherboard stay current a lot longer than the "other folks".
If you buy a board with a socket that has been out for several years already, what do you expect?
Or do you just mean you didn't anticipate the new thing coming so soon? At least you'll be able pop in a new CPU and just sell the old one as a stop-gap if you like.

 

[Selaya]

"Runs too hot" really depends on how pushed is it from the box, for example, zen 3 is more efficient than zen2, but its being pushed very hard with its boost algorithm [ ... ]

That's just the 5800X tho, and only for MT (unless I'm missing something?), but that SKU (the -800X is that) has had been Bad Ideas About Ryzen since forever basically, so.

 

[windwhirl]

Ofcourse it will. Im baffled that the author even questions this.

Better to leave it shrouded in doubt just in case AMD isn't completely clear on the matter. Better safe than sorry.

I wish AMD would make more than one 6800m laptop... they literally only have one laptop with a zen cpu and 6800m gpu. its a bit silly considering how much time they have had...

It also depends on laptop makers being actually interested, sadly. And Nvidia has a near absolute hold of the market, so AMD will have to invest heavily in that sector.

 

[freeagent]

Erm, AMD's motherboard stay current a lot longer than the "other folks".
If you buy a board with a socket that has been out for several years already, what do you expect?
Or do you just mean you didn't anticipate the new thing coming so soon? At least you'll be able pop in a new CPU and just sell the old one as a stop-gap if you like.

Their boards are current because they haven't changed anything

Seems like a good way to save money on R+D..

I knew they were dropping a new line of CPU's, and I heard it was for AM4, but part of me was hoping that was not true. I have been on AM4 for 11 months now. I own a 5600X and a 5900X, soon I guess I will own an XT or whatever its called. Just a little miffed that's all. You drop 800 bucks on a CPU only to have a new one come out just a few months later and lemme know how you feel about it

 

[windwhirl]

You drop 800 bucks on a CPU only to have a new one come out just a few months later and lemme know how you feel about it

Uh, there's been like a new launch every year for years now, it was kinda foreseeable.

 

[Arc1t3ct]

whatever they release for am4 it won’t be enough to counter alder lake.

 

[Space Lynx]

whatever they release for am4 it won’t be enough to counter alder lake.

it should be some interesting benches this Fall.

 

[Ellertis]

whatever they release for am4 it won’t be enough to counter alder lake.

Zen3d will beat it in single threaded and multithreaded, maybe not in power efficiency though

 

[Nephilim666]

Did they say anything about threadripper? Surely the delays to that means they're implementing 3d cache with Zen 3 on trx40... Please AMD

 

[AVATARAT]

whatever they release for am4 it won’t be enough to counter alder lake.

Zen3+ will be faster in games and cache programs, Intel will be faster in multithread because of more cores.
If Zen3+ came on AM4 this will be a plus because we will need to change only CPU but not mobo(+ram).
So both companies will be in a win-win situation.

 

[Wirko]

AMD could potentially combine one chiplet with V-Cache and another one without it on a single Ryzen package, which would result in ... yeah, eight P cores and eight E cores!

 

[freeagent]

Uh, there's been like a new launch every year for years now, it was kinda foreseeable.

Yeah well not for me, this was my first real upgrade in like 10 years, sorry if I am a little miffed.

 

[INFERNUS]

Currently using an ASrock x470 taichi with a 5950x and it's been amazing. Now being this is still Zen 3 and the same socket I don't see why this shouldn't work in all AMD 400 series boards. Did AMD say anything about 400 series being supported? Can't find any info about it.

 

[Minus Infinity]

AmD have a different CPU for mobile too you know, they haven't announced 3D cache for it, But, it will be due a update too.
I can still see AMD gaining market share on laptops , a lot of them are not used portably and you can get a day of work based battery use on an AMD lapy now already Soo I dunno, we will see.

And as for higher end laptops, they're not run on battery often and Intel won't compete so well here either.

Finally tangential argument that, the OP isn't about laptops.

Given Cezanne is mentioned in the AMD roadmap as featuring Zen3+just like Warhol it seems certain to have 3D cache. They have the lower end Barcelo that will be Zen3 + Vega8, while Cezanne is Zen3+ + RDNA2. Some analysts have categforically stated Warhol/Cezanne will be AM4 only Zen4 is AM5.

I think the reason why Zen3+ is Q1 2022 is it's on 6nm, new node will need more time to get tested.

 

[glsn]

why don't they make a skinned cpu, so it can watercool with the rising sealevel?

 

[mechtech]

+18% more fps in DOTA 2 compared to Ryzen 9 5900X, considering that no architectural changes were made and the clock speed is the same.
That's impressive, just think about what Zen4 will be.

Probably game dependant. I was kind of surprised that the 5800x vs the 5700g in borderlands 3 was about 20% difference, with basically the cache being the only major difference and clocks only a minor difference.

AMD Ryzen 7 5700G Review - Great Performance & Integrated Graphics

With the Ryzen 7 5700G, AMD is finally bringing their most powerful APU to the retail DIY channel. With 512 graphics cores based on the Vega architecture, the IGP is over twice as fast as Intel's Rocket Lake graphics. Thanks to the Zen 3 architecture, the eight CPU cores are blazing fast, too.

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[First Strike]

One question remains. Will they use 3D V-Cache on zen4?

My guess is probably not. That would make things interesting.

 

[freeagent]

One question remains. Will they use 3D V-Cache on zen4?

My guess is probably not. That would make things interesting.

I don't see what they wouldn't.. its probably the one thing they could carryover from AM5..