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TPU's Nostalgic Hardware Club

a huge help with FX / PhII is pointing a fan at the back of the CPU socket, a huge amount of heat is dissipated there.
Absolutely, I've got a case-mounted 80mm fan there and it works miracles. Room temperaure was 23c:

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I've bought a FX-6300 for this board...
Crosshair V-Z, nice!
Even you can't read the board's label due to the camera flash there are other ways that says what it is - Location of it's power buttons up high and right vs low and centered for the older version is one telling difference.

I hope it does well for you, those are great boards.
 
@Trekkie4 , as rare as vintage parts are getting and as expensive as they are getting, I'd say; go for it man! :toast:

You may not get another chance to find one and if you do, it may be way more expensive. The more time slips away, the harder and more money it will cost brother!
 
Oh I nabbed an interesting relic. They are only like 10 bucks and a CPU I find very interesting.
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I just need a good board to play around with it. You bet it's getting overclocked!

I always found the 1156 CPU lineup rather unusual, especially the i5 lineup. You have quad cores, and then the over glorified i3s which wre on a better node with ipc that is all over the place because of the memory controller being on a different continent.

I never understood why when Intel could do a monolithic 45nm quad core with integrated imc but couldn't fit it in when with just 2 cores and a smaller node.

I find the 655k in specific the oddest. Unlike now where the "premium" unlocked i5s are always greater than or equal the clockspeed of the locked parts, the he 655k is tied for the slowest clocked dual core i5. Like why.

I could ramble on and on about 1156 tbh. It's such a weird socket that was released at an odd time.

I have my eyes on a semi broken gene for cheap, so I might grab that.
 
I've bought a FX-6300 for this board...
That board is killer. You can bring that CPU as far as you want. :)
Crosshair V-Z, nice!
Even you can't read the board's label due to the camera flash there are other ways that says what it is - Location of it's power buttons up high and right vs low and centered for the older version is one telling difference.

I hope it does well for you, those are great boards.
Case in point, here's a similar VRM with the same CPU. :)
5,116.15 MHz CPU-Z Validation - it's totally stable at 1.5v set in BIOS. (LLC brings it there under load, 1.488v @ idle)
I use 25% LLC but Bones may have a better recommendation.
Oh I nabbed an interesting relic. They are only like 10 bucks and a CPU I find very interesting.
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I just need a good board to play around with it. You bet it's getting overclocked!

I always found the 1156 CPU lineup rather unusual, especially the i5 lineup. You have quad cores, and then the over glorified i3s which wre on a better node with ipc that is all over the place because of the memory controller being on a different continent.

I never understood why when Intel could do a monolithic 45nm quad core with integrated imc but couldn't fit it in when with just 2 cores and a smaller node.

I find the 655k in specific the oddest. Unlike now where the "premium" unlocked i5s are always greater than or equal the clockspeed of the locked parts, the he 655k is tied for the slowest clocked dual core i5. Like why.

I could ramble on and on about 1156 tbh. It's such a weird socket that was released at an odd time.

I have my eyes on a semi broken gene for cheap, so I might grab that.
I love 1156, specifically because I feel as though it's neglected compared to many other sockets. I use the Sabertooth 55i and P7P55D Deluxe, those are both kickass boards if you can find them on the cheap. The Gene III would be great obviously as well. i7-860 and also X3470 are two CPUs to look out for - the Xeon can actually be had for around $20 last I checked and can be dropped into at least the two boards I mentioned. ;)
 
Would I kill my Xeon if I'd run it at 1.53V? VRM has a fan..
 
Would I kill my Xeon if I'd run it at 1.53V? VRM has a fan..
Nope, as long as you're not holding it above >90c the whole time. 80c for 24/7. I wouldn't be as worried about the VRM with your board, especially with the fan - CPU heat will probably be your first limiter.

You can also put QPI/VTT @ 1.4v max, although I'd try 1.35v and 1.375v first, in that order. Scaling is more limited above 1.375v and heat goes up quickly

edit: I binned a bunch of my 1366 CPUs the other day on my R2E, including three Xeon X5675 CPUs. I also have two more which I tested months ago, actually in the same board you have. I can't confidently say that this is a universal rule, but from my testing, a decent Westmere chip will do at least 4.4GHz at 1.4v. A great one will do 4.5GHz+ @ 1.375v, and a bad one does <4.4GHz @ 1.425v+. Beware of the 226FSB wall (I did not discover this), afaik this is chip-dependent and sometimes motherboard too. These CPUs are cheap anyway so as long as the motherboard doesn't go with it, killing a bad sample isn't terrible.
 
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i7-860 and also X3470 are two CPUs to look out for - the Xeon can actually be had for around $20 last I checked and can be dropped into at least the two boards I mentioned. ;)
I actually already have an i3 550 and i7 860 that came with an Intel H55TC desktop board.
 
I actually already have an i3 550 and i7 860 that came with an Intel H55TC desktop board.
That i3 550 is selling for 10p in Cex ,it is guaranteed for 24 months though everthing they sell is.i7 860. £22.Where else could you get a guarantee like that for second hand goods. o_O
 
It's a shame Cex doesn't operate in the states.

I7 and board came from a big bundle lot of 20 boards+CPU+ram that I got for 80 bucks last year. In fact a lot of my older stuff came from that lot.

All in all I have always considered X58 to be the superior platform for getting into first gen. If you want 45nm i7 920s are pennies, and westmere Xeons are very inexpensive if you want to go that route. Plus playing around with triple channel ram is fun stuff. And if you want the next platform to mess with sandy dt and e are both super fun. So I've kind of skipped over paying much attention to 1156.

But I'm basically all x58'd out for now, so I'm moving on.

My DH55TC can overclock somewhat. It has bclk adjustment so I've tinkered some. But generally there's 0 memory adjustment and 0 voltage controls... really nothing outside of the bclk adjustment.
 
Case in point, here's a similar VRM with the same CPU. :)
5,116.15 MHz CPU-Z Validation - it's totally stable at 1.5v set in BIOS. (LLC brings it there under load, 1.488v @ idle)
I use 25% LLC but Bones may have a better recommendation.
I can say using my Asus Crosshair V-Z as the example here that I don't use DIGI settings to excess, even if doing runs on Ln2.
For most anything done on air/water "Standard" or "High" is about as far as I go, for DICE (Dry Ice) "High" will suffice in about any instance I've ever ran into. You CAN use the "Extreme" setting if you want and it's still fine, it's when you combine that with the percentages from 100 to 140% is where the real danger is, esp, if not running it on Ln2 and even then you could fry something, Ln2 cooling isn't as "Foolproof" as you'd think.

You must be careful once you start messing with percentage settings regardless of how you have your LLC settings themselves.
Higher settings of anything makes whatever part of the system it's affecting run a little warmer so bear that in mind.

It's not unlike it is with the older DFI LanParty boards when you start wanting voltages above 1.55v's for the CPU for example with a Socket 939 setup.
The percentage with those is based on what voltage you set manually in the BIOS to use and then set a percentage to go along with it.

For example, with the DFI if you were to set CPU voltage manually for 1.50v's and then use 110%, that means based on 1.50v's as set manually in the BIOS it adds 10% of 1.50v's to CPU voltage and that's what you get in real voltage to the chip.
Mind you this can vary to a degree with a DFI but that's how it's supposed to work and you can think of your DIGI settings in a 990 FX Asus board the same basic way whether it's CPU, CPU-NB or RAM voltage ran with a percentage increase.

In the case of the CPU You can even induce instability if not careful making the VRMs work too hard, leading to issues about it flaking out under load and so on because it also makes the VRM's run hotter, it can induce throttling or even system crashing due to a hot VRM setup, not to mention it's just not good for the board in general.

LLC in itself isn't as harmful as overuse of the percentages you set for your DIGI Settings can be but at the same time your LLC settings do matter in the same way.

Also bear in mind a Crosshair V-Z is made to go for world records and the settings are there to do so if you want, it doesn't mean you can jack those setings to the max on air/water and come out to the good because you won't.

You'll have to experiment and see what the system likes and as long as VDroop isn't taking place it's OK and should be fine but overuse of these settings can lead to all kinds of issues that will make you go crazy trying to figure out what's going on when the problem in this instance is really you.

Don't get crazy thinking along the lines of "Moar voltage", that's not always the solution to a problem you'd have and that goes for about any setting you can tweak regardless.

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If it's not wanting to boot the OS and keeps flaking out at the boot screen, take note of how far into the booting process it gets before it crashes. Normally you'd bump voltage up a tick to try and make it go but if it then starts crashing faster/sooner, that means you're already at the limit and dropping voltage below where you had it is the most likely solution, provided you haven't already maxxed the chip out on what's it's capable of with the setup "As is", cooling being the biggest factor in most cases here.
Also realize this isn't limited to just the CPU, other things could be affected too but typically it's the CPU whenever this happens.

And don't be afraid to realize you've reached the limit no matter what you do - Everything has a limit and once you're there, that's it and simply throwing more voltageat it is just making it all run hotter for absolutely nothing.
As you guys know I do hold some WR's and speak from experience on the subject, perhaps what I've posted won't be the case in any example cases you can name but that's more or less the generality of it.

Hope this helps.
 
If I can ever find the space to do so, I want to build this but only OC to a moderate level...I don't like heat!
I'm still trying to do the Pics better.
 

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Rhetorical question, when do you have enough samples of one board?

I saw another one and had to get it. Time for a family photo. I can't help it I love my DDR2 Extremes <3. I said I'll stop with 2, one for cold and one for ambient. I got another one, 'just to be safe' if one fails. Now I have a backup for the backup. All work flawless and are in good condition. Just the cold prepped one has a mangled heatsink after my modification.

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Rhetorical question, when do you have enough samples of one board?

I saw another one and had to get it. Time for a family photo. I can't help it I love my DDR2 Extremes :love:. I said I'll stop with 2, one for cold and one for ambient. I got another one, 'just to be safe' if one fails. Now I have a backup for the backup. All work flawless and are in good condition. Just the cold prepped one has a mangled heatsink after my modification.

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Very nice. I recall hearing gigabyte 775 oc quads the best.

Those remind me of MSI platinum models
 
I'm betting this VRM is a lot better. Can you confirm?

Got an Asus m5A97 R1.02 + Phenom ii x4 945 for 10 bucks on an eBay auction, supposedly either the CPU board or both was faulty but they didn't know which.

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I plugged it in and it just booted straight up. No clue why it was sold as parts. Knock on wood it seems to work perfectly.
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Despite being AM3+ and 970 chipset, it supports core unlocking and probably is a better overclocked than the MSI. This might be my new go-to for AM3 tinkering.View attachment 243529

I delidded my Phenom 1100T two days ago.

My question is do you know what is a good binned Phenom II is. ..My chip needs 1.525v to do 4GHz all cores prime95.
 
That's not a good bin but not the worst I've seen.

My 1045t did 4.0 at 1.50v, which should be a lower bin.

I'd say 4.0 at 1.45 or so is a good bin.
 
I delidded my Phenom 1100T two days ago.

My question is do you know what is a good binned Phenom II is. ..My chip needs 1.525v to do 4GHz all cores prime95.
What board are you running with it?
Even though these chips are good they do draw some power under load, if the board's VRM setup isn't truly up to task you'll have this kind of problem going on.
Some AM3 boards were notoriously too weak to properly handle the wattage load of a 6 cored Thuban under a real load when stressed.

MSI boards were among the worst of these (4+1 VRM) and issues with MSI boards having this problem are well documented as being wide-spread among them.
Yes, I had one (790FX-GD70) and it died that way with my 1100T, was running at stock when it gave up.
Luckily for me the chip itself was fine afterwards.
 
What board are you running with it?
Even though these chips are good they do draw some power under load, if the board's VRM setup isn't truly up to task you'll have this kind of problem going on.
Some AM3 boards were notoriously too weak to properly handle the wattage load of a 6 cored Thuban under a real load when stressed.

MSI boards were among the worst of these (4+1 VRM) and issues with MSI boards having this problem are well documented as being wide-spread among them.
Yes, I had one (790FX-GD70) and it died that way with my 1100T, was running at stock when it gave up.
Luckily for me the chip itself was fine afterwards.

I'm using Gigabyte GA-MA785GM-US2H ... DDR2.

I'v only just started messing around on the AM2 platform after being so long modding 939 platform.
 
That kind of explains it. That board is low end and not tailored to overclocking. It looks to have quite a low end vrm without any heatsink that I would not trust to reliably power an oced 6 core
 
That kind of explains it. That board is low end and not tailored to overclocking. It looks to have quite a low end vrm without any heatsink that I would not trust to reliably power an oced 6 core
Mmmmm...........not exactly true. Wife's daily is a 1055T on that same board. Been running @ 3.7 for a long time. Still runs like a champ.
 
Not saying you can't overclock on it, but I would not reccomend it. You might not get as far as you would with a proper board.
 
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