AMD Readies More Ryzen 5000X3D Processors?

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AMD is looking to expand its Socket AM4 Ryzen 5000X3D processor lineup, according to Greymon55, a reliable source with AMD rumors. The current Ryzen 7 5800X3D 8-core processor was well received by the tech-press for its 3D Vertical Cache innovation that significantly improved gaming performance, putting it in the same league as Intel's fastest 12th Gen Core "Alder Lake" processors, despite being based on the older "Zen 3" microarchitecture. AMD uses the same 8-core 3DV Cache chiplet (CCD) in its EPYC "Milan-X" enterprise processors. This lineup could see an expansion, with announcements expected in July.

If true, it could see the introduction of SKUs such as the Ryzen 5 5600X3D, Ryzen 9 5900X3D, or perhaps even the 5950X3D, with the latter two featuring a mind-boggling 200 MB of Total Cache (L2+L3). This would provide a tempting upgrade path to everyone with a Socket AM4 platform, now that AMD has extended official "Zen 3" support to even the oldest AMD 300-series chipset motherboards. There is yet another rumor that predicts AMD could develop certain "Zen 4" SKUs on the AM4 package, which sees a "Zen 4" CCD paired with a current-gen cIOD that has DDR4 and PCIe Gen 4 connectivity. Regardless of which rumor is true, AMD's support for AM4 isn't ending anytime soon.



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[Blaeza]

Yes! 5600X3D be under £300 and we have a winner!!!

 

[Garrus]

That would be awesome! Right now the Canadian price for the 5800X3D is silly. $350 for the 5700X, but $580 for the 5800X3D. That's an extra $230 plus tax for just cache!

I'd like to see a 5600X3D for an extra $100 CAD, like $350 CAD for it...

 

[wolf]

5900X3D is a compelling CPU for the duality of content creation/editing etc and gaming, a great mixture of cores for productivity, and that sweet sweet vcache for gaming.

 

[ratirt]

That would be awesome! Right now the Canadian price for the 5800X3D is silly. $350 for the 5700X, but $580 for the 5800X3D. That's an extra $230 plus tax for just cache!

I'd like to see a 5600X3D for an extra $100 CAD, like $350 CAD for it...

$580? That's a steep price where you live. It would seem in Norway you can get it for below 490-510 if you know where to look. Still higher than MSRP but it just came out so no shock there.

5600xt3d should be interesting. I wonder, if there will be any difference between the 5800x3d and 5900x3d. These were almost similar in performance.

 

[Pumper]

Nice, but I'm afraid of the prices, lol, even the 5800X3D is priced at the level of 5950X.

Either way, it would still be a better option than having to get a new mobo and ram for a AM5 system.

 

[Garrus]

$580? That's a steep price where you live. It would seem in Norway you can get it for below 490-510 if you know where to look. Still higher than MSRP but it just came out so no shock there.

5600xt3d should be interesting. I wonder, if there will be any difference between the 5800x3d and 5900x3d. These were almost similar in performance.

Sorry, $580 CAD is $450 USD, the MSRP. My point was that the 5700X is basically the same CPU but without the cache and is only $350 CAD ($270 USD). Hopefully the 5600X3D could have a much smaller price differential.

 

[Why_Me]

Nice, but I'm afraid of the prices, lol, even the 5800X3D is priced at the level of 5950X.

Either way, it would still be a better option than having to get a new mobo and ram for a AM5 system.

And that's why an Intel i7 12700F + B660 board is usually the better option.

 

[john_]

I can see a 5900X3D or 5950X3D to keep the platform in top spots of gaming charts while also offering excellent multitasking performance. A 5600X3D doesn't make much sense, considering the price hike this model will have because of the extra cost of adding Vcache and the fact that in multitasking will be even more problematic than 5800X3D when comparing it with Intel's models at the same price range.

 

[Bomby569]

Yes! 5600X3D be under £300 and we have a winner!!!

a 5600 would make more sense but they seem to be targeting the very high end, something that at least for me makes no sense, that kind of money don't buy yesterday tech

 

[Blaeza]

I can see a 5900X3D or 5950X3D to keep the platform in top spots of gaming charts while also offering excellent multitasking performance. A 5600X3D doesn't make much sense, considering the price hike this model will have because of the extra cost of adding Vcache and the fact that in multitasking will be even more problematic than 5800X3D when comparing it with Intel's models at the same price range.

They should do a whole range of X3D processors so even people like myself without £500 for a chip can enjoy extending the life of there platform.

 

[john_]

They should do a whole range of X3D processors so even people like myself without £500 for a chip can enjoy extending the life of there platform.

No arguing there. I am with you. Would love to get a 5600X3D for 250 euros or less.
I just doubt they would throw Vcache on the 5600. It will also be a kind of internal competition that could lead in lower sales of CPUs that are higher priced than 5600X3D, if that 5600X3D ends up a success.
Seeing people asking "why would I buy the 5800X3D that is much higher priced than 5700X or at the same price as the 5900X and 5950X that offer more cores", it makes me think that people will have second thoughts paying extra for a 6 core CPU that will be much higher prices compared to other 6 core CPUs and in the territory, of 8 or even 10 core CPUs. On the other hand, AMD offering the 5600X3D at a price that is no brainer, will not only lead to plenty of Alder Lake CPUs collecting duct on store selves, but also 5800X and higher AMD's own CPUs collecting the same amount of duct. Not just Zen 3 CPUs, but also Zen 4 CPUs.

 

[Shatun_Bear]

I would buy a 5900X3D, 12-cores is a logical upgrade for my nearly 4 year old 8-core work system.

 

[ratirt]

Sorry, $580 CAD is $450 USD, the MSRP. My point was that the 5700X is basically the same CPU but without the cache and is only $350 CAD ($270 USD). Hopefully the 5600X3D could have a much smaller price differential.

Then what you have to do is, buy 5700x but the 5800x3d is much faster in games sensitive to cache. Way faster. So the price can be justified especially if you consider, that in order to achieve this type of performance with Intel's CPU, you have to pay way more than 570CAD (in your case) just for the CPU.

 

[SOAREVERSOR]

No arguing there. I am with you. Would love to get a 5600X3D for 250 euros or less.
I just doubt they would throw Vcache on the 5600. It will also be a kind of internal competition that could lead in lower sales of CPUs that are higher priced than 5600X3D, if that 5600X3D ends up a success.
Seeing people asking "why would I buy the 5800X3D that is much higher priced than 5700X or at the same price as the 5900X and 5950X that offer more cores", it makes me think that people will have second thoughts paying extra for a 6 core CPU that will be much higher prices compared to other 6 core CPUs and in the territory, of 8 or even 10 core CPUs. On the other hand, AMD offering the 5600X3D at a price that is no brainer, will not only lead to plenty of Alder Lake CPUs collecting duct on store selves, but also 5800X and higher AMD's own CPUs collecting the same amount of duct. Not just Zen 3 CPUs, but also Zen 4 CPUs.

It's sort of odd as the 5800X3D isn't really better than the 5800. It's better in gaming, it's at best on par with the it and very often worse by a good margin in content creation.

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Gaming doesn't really need all the cores we currently have, yet at least. So if you are doing something that needs over 8 cores you are firmly in the area where X3D is either not going to help or make what you are trying to do worse. This is strictly a gaming stunt. And the types of gamers that would need 10-16 core CPUs, they're doing content creation as well so this isn't really a good buy for them. So if you need the 5900x or 5950x a 5800X3D or 5600X3D isn't going to affect that decision. Along the same lines Alderlake CPUs typically beat the 5800X3D in content creation scores as well.

This is really sort of niche product for people that game and don't do anything heavy lifting outside of it.

 

[ratirt]

Nice, but I'm afraid of the prices, lol, even the 5800X3D is priced at the level of 5950X.

Either way, it would still be a better option than having to get a new mobo and ram for a AM5 system.

the 5800x3d is priced exactly with the same MSRP the 5800x was when launched. So I'm not sure what you are after.

 

[SOAREVERSOR]

I would buy a 5900X3D, 12-cores is a logical upgrade for my nearly 4 year old 8-core work system.

Depending on your work though the 5900 is probably faster than the 5900X3D, though the latter would be faster in games.

 

[Keullo-e]

That would be awesome! Right now the Canadian price for the 5800X3D is silly. $350 for the 5700X, but $580 for the 5800X3D. That's an extra $230 plus tax for just cache!

I'd like to see a 5600X3D for an extra $100 CAD, like $350 CAD for it...

The pricing truly sucks when 5800X3D is more expensive than 5900X. And yeah, I know what a beast it is in gaming, but still.

 

[Jism]

16 core 32 thread with over 200MB of L3 cache. Go AMD!

If they just design a seperate voltage rail for it's cache then we could actually OC the living snot out of it.

 

[Keullo-e]

16 core 32 thread with over 200MB of L3 cache. Go AMD!

If they just design a seperate voltage rail for it's cache then we could actually OC the living snot out of it.

Though that would be a hard one for older boards' compatibility, I guess?

 

[Jism]

Though that would be a hard one for older boards' compatibility, I guess?

What incompatibility are you talking about?

The chipset is housed in the CPU. Board is just the interconnect. If your talking about PCI-E 4.0 well yeah then dont stick with a 3x series board.

 

[Keullo-e]

What incompatibility are you talking about?

The chipset is housed in the CPU. Board is just the interconnect. If your talking about PCI-E 4.0 well yeah then dont stick with a 3x series board.

About the different voltages for different parts of the CPU. I ain't no expert but at least I think that it would need some redesigning.

And yeah, I know that chipset isn't like it used to be before as the CPU houses about all the logic what a traditional chipset used to handle.

 

[Jism]

About the different voltages for different parts of the CPU. I ain't no expert but at least I think that it would need some redesigning.

And yeah, I know that chipset isn't like it used to be before as the CPU houses about all the logic what a traditional chipset used to handle.

They just downclock to the point the CPU is stable at max 1.35V as it is right now with the 5800X3D. Basicly your getting a 16 core 32 thread but 99.9% with a lower clockspeed.

The problem is the DRAM that is responsible for the additional cache cant cope with voltages higher then 1.35V. It's still connected to the CPU voltage in terms. So as long as they dont design a seperate voltage rail for the DRAM cache, we cant overvolt or really push the chips to it's limits.

 

[Keullo-e]

They just downclock to the point the CPU is stable at max 1.35V as it is right now with the 5800X3D. Basicly your getting a 16 core 32 thread but 99.9% with a lower clockspeed.

The problem is the DRAM that is responsible for the additional cache cant cope with voltages higher then 1.35V. It's still connected to the CPU voltage in terms. So as long as they dont design a seperate voltage rail for the DRAM cache, we cant overvolt or really push the chips to it's limits.

Alright, I'm not too familiar on the deeper level how CPUs work even though I've been a PC hobbyist for almost 20 years.

 

[Jism]

Thats just the beauty of AM4 in general. Techpowerup tested as well high end 5950's CPU's in 50$ motherboards. Works flawless. Just not recommended lol.