AMD Ryzen 7000X3D Announced, Claims Total Dominance over Intel "Raptor Lake," Upcoming i9-13900KS Deterred

[JustBenching]

The 13900K will still be faster in gaming.

Marginally probably, yeah. Especially with really fast 7400 to 8000mhz ram, yes it will be, but it will be really close

Do not burn me on stake but anyways:

if 5800X3D vs 12700K is any indication then 7800X3D will not be better buy than 13700K. reason i see is price/performance incase of 5800X3D you gain in avg. 3% better gaming performance and lose on avg. 13% performance in applications compared to 12700K, but yeah 5800X3D is not as power hungry as 12700K.

Of course, the 13700k (let alone the 13700f) will spank the crap out of the 7800x 3d in terms of price to performance, both in gaming but more so in productivity.

Stop looking at maximum FPS figures and look where the 3D cache matters, the lows

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Very reliable result, the 12700k has better lows than the 13900k, lol.

 

[Richards]

Amd lied about 1.7 x of the 7900 xtx dnot believe them on this claim lol

 

[Redwoodz]

Amd lied about 1.7 x of the 7900 xtx dnot believe them on this claim lol

AMD don't have to, we already know what the tech will do from the 5 series.

 

[Hofnaerrchen]

Wonder what the pricing will look like... it's quite strange for AMD not to show prices for a product launching next month.

 

[watzupken]

Ultimately, the success of these chips will be their prices. The 7950X is a very capable CPU, but if its coupled with the 3D cache and its going to cost quite a lot more, it may not take off. Same for the lower end models. Even at the discounted prices, the current Zen 4 chips are not selling well. At top end, enthusiasts may not scrimp, and so high price may not be a big problem. Going to the lower end like the 7600/7800 series, high price is going to do them in quickly.

 

[WonkoTheSaneUK]

Wonder what the pricing will look like... it's quite strange for AMD not to show prices for a product launching next month.

Look at the small print at the bottom of pic #3 - They seem to have mentioned pricing somewhere.

 

[sephiroth117]

I think after seeing both RDNA3 and 4070Ti marketing slides, we will for reviews, independent reviews.

The 7800 and 799X3D sound promising, I do wonder if they support PBO tho unlike the 5800X3D (at least officially)

 

[watzupken]

The 13900K will still be faster in gaming.

I think we will know by the time the products get reviewed. The fact that the 58003DX is able to close in or exceed Raptor Lake in some game titles is an indication of what the 3D cache can do for Zen 4 in cache sensitive use cases. For all you know, this may negate the clockspeed advantage Intel have now.

I am not interested in either Zen 4 or Raptor Lake (currently using an Alder Lake chip myself), but I am pretty impressed by what Zen 4 delivers (other than the higher power consumption and the ridiculous 95 degrees temp). The reason is because while Intel still has an advantage with their P and E core configuration, the fact that it required Intel to push clockspeed this high (resulting in ridiculous amount of power draw), and 24 physical cores to compete against 16 cores is nothing to sneeze at. Those 16 E-cores are supposed to deliver Skylake like performance, which by now translates to about 8 Zen 4 cores' performance. While the number of threads is the same, but physical cores are still quite a lot more efficient than "virtual" ones. Also I feel Ryzen 9 are better value than Intel's i9 because you are paying for cutting edge processors when buying 12 or 16 cores. For Intel, you are paying more for the i9, but only 8 cutting edge P-cores, and 16 Pentium/ Atom class processors that Intel spams to make up for the core and thread disadvantage.

 

[DeathtoGnomes]

Reviews will tell the real story, and I'm hoping for a $799 price on the top chip.

 

[john_]

Probably the old MSRP prices of the 7000X chips.

 

[Shtb]

Amd lied about 1.7 x of the 7900 xtx dnot believe them on this claim lol

You're giving in to clickbait headlines and repeating lies that are convenient for you.

71/44 ~ 61.4% more fps

https://cdn.sweclockers.com/artikel/diagram/28186?key=8fa15ed87247d346760105f07d2e642b

https://www.techpowerup.com/img/dkDFd2EfDRrVX9we.jpg

Consider, that sweclockers have a non-reference 6950XT in the test, and its ref would show about 41 fps (which gives us more than 70% - 73.2%).

 

[WonkoTheSaneUK]

I wonder if pricing was originally intended to be part of Lisa's presentation, but was deleted because the chips will be... "unpopularly" expensive?

 

[Josh128]

This is slightly higher than what I was expecting. I was expecting 20-25% over 5800x 3D.

Lisa said average of 15% vs 5800X3D last night. Will have to wait for reviews.

 

[Luke357]

Lisa said average of 15% vs 5800X3D last night. Will have to wait for reviews.

If AMD said 15% it will probably be 10%. No manufacturer is ever genuine about performance gains.

 

[phanbuey]

If AMD said 15% it will probably be 10%. No manufacturer is ever genuine about performance gains.

What's interesting to me is they only showing the 7800X3D and the 7900X3D and 7950X3D...

So I'm wondering if there are issues there.

 

[AnotherReader]

If AMD said 15% it will probably be 10%. No manufacturer is ever genuine about performance gains.

While it's good to be skeptical, AMD's CPU division has been realistic about performance claims for a while now.

 

[DemonicRyzen666]

The price for 7800x 3D before it was deleted was $509. $60 higher MRSP than both the 5800x &3D from $449 MSRP.

As for 21-30%, I know zen4 was worked to rely more heavily on 3d vcache from the ground up. Zen3 was an experimental chip for vcache all zens after words will show slightly higher increases over the last gernerations 3d vcache version.

 

[Lovec1990]

Anyone knows when will reviews start droping?

7900X3D looks intresting with 1 normal CCD and 1 X3D CCD

 

[Kapone33]

Wonder what the pricing will look like... it's quite strange for AMD not to show prices for a product launching next month.

I feel it's because they basically launched their Non X parts with pricing at the same time. They don't want Intel to get an idea of how to adjust the pricing for 13900K and KS so that they remain relevant for Gaming. If you do mostly Gaming on your PC, especially varied genres X3D is your friend. Let's keep in mind that AM5 blows AM4 out of the water in every way except X3D. The other thing is they want to keep the price of the 5800X3D as stable as possible for the next month.

 

[caroline!]

they just announced live the best supercomputer chip ever made in history. 146 billion transistors, and most of the show was about innovation in healthcare, robotic surgery, Lisa Su also brought on a female Astronaut to talk about AMD has helped Artemis to the Moon, and other NASA relationships, etc...

Did you watch the Live Show at all, or just go based off tech threads?

very small part of it was for gaming. AMD really did a great job tonight, Lisa Su was fantastic.

Bold of you to assume my 512K internet connection can play a LIVE broadcast. lol, lmao even.
Sometimes not even the pictures load. I wish more browsers had something like Opera Turbo or a way to compress massive images back to 90's quality.

 

[HairyLobsters]

Yikes - So the 7800x3d gets the same 120w TDP/162w PPT. Holy hell - that poor little 5nm CCD is gonna melt.

TDP doesn't necessary mean tempiture.

 

[Ravenas]

Please change the title of this thread to…

7950X3D ULTRA KILL

 

[InVasMani]

I wonder how well these will run with 4800MT/s kits and a cheaper MB and how much you can save between the two and what the relative performance difference to cost savings ends up looking like. Given the added expense of X3D it's reasonable to compare. It might make sense to pair X3D with a cheaper less full feature MB and chipset and cheaper DDR5 and still end up nudging out the previous AM5 CPU's by a bit with a bit less robust board in terms of I/O, but similar combined price point or not much more for a modest bump in performance. At least if there is a good balance it puts more options on the table for consumers to consider what makes the most sense for their intended usage and budget.

 

[AnotherReader]

I wonder how well these will run with 4800MT/s kits and a cheaper MB and how much you can save between the two and what the relative performance difference to cost savings ends up looking like. Given the added expense of X3D it's reasonable to compare. It might make sense to pair X3D with a cheaper less full feature MB and chipset and cheaper DDR5 and still end up nudging out the previous AM5 CPU's by a bit with a bit less robust board in terms of I/O, but similar combined price point or not much more for a modest bump in performance. At least if there is a good balance it puts more options on the table for consumers to consider what makes the most sense for their intended usage and budget.

5800X3D is less sensitive to RAM than its regular counterparts. A 5900X with fast RAM seems to be close to a 5800X3D with JEDEC DDR4 3200, but still falls back in 1% lows and especially cache bound games like Factorio. That's likely to hold true for Zen 4 too.

 

[SOAREVERSOR]

why does everything has to be for gaming
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MEH.

It's not really. But plenty of companies have realized gaming is where to offload all your crappy products on the one and milk suckers for all they are worth on the other.

It's harder to scam corporate clients or even the average consumer.