ASUS GeForce RTX 4070 Ti TUF

[crimina|]

I don't "just say Editor's Choice". I spend hours writing a long conclusion that covers all aspects of the product, and I think everyone agrees that 4070 Ti is a really good product? All the drama is about the price, which is very high indeed. But the fact is that there is no alternative right now. If I give you 800 bucks today, what's best card that you can buy?

You could say that for any price card. Doesn’t mean every card should get Editor’s Choice. Price should impact how a product is viewed.
Imagine a a guy who reviews cars gives every car Editor’s Choice… that would be laughable.
That should apply to any type product you are reviewing.

 

[W1zzard]

You meant a new card, before someone jumps in and say buy used of whatever gpu.

Including used

You could say that for any price card.

At a certain point the price/performance of competing products will be better. Right now this is not the case for 4070 Ti, unless you want to go 6800 non-XT, or you can find a 3080 for $500-550

 

[bug]

I don't "just say Editor's Choice". I spend hours writing a long conclusion that covers all aspects of the product, and I think everyone agrees that 4070 Ti is a really good product? All the drama is about the price, which is very high indeed. But the fact is that there is no alternative right now. If I give you 800 bucks today, what's best card that you can buy?

And that's probably the crux of the issue: you look at this from the perspective of people that must buy. But irl for every person that must buy, there are probably four other that will simply hold on to their current GPU instead.
That's what irks people. On the other hand, you have no means to gauge how many people are ok with this price (or at least don't outright dismiss it), so you're actually doing the best you can do.

 

[lightofhonor]

And that's probably the crux of the issue: you look at this from the perspective of people that must buy. But irl for every person that must buy, there are probably four other that will simply hold on to their current GPU instead.
That's what irks people. On the other hand, you have no means to gauge how many people are ok with this price (or at least don't outright dismiss it), so you're actually doing the best you can do.

So be fair it says Editors Choice, not Must Buy/Have.

 

[bug]

I don't "just say Editor's Choice". I spend hours writing a long conclusion that covers all aspects of the product, and I think everyone agrees that 4070 Ti is a really good product? All the drama is about the price, which is very high indeed. But the fact is that there is no alternative right now. If I give you 800 bucks today, what's best card that you can buy?

Do you think it would be feasible to make those badges into links that send people to a page that explain what each badge means?

 

[N3M3515]

I don't "just say Editor's Choice". I spend hours writing a long conclusion that covers all aspects of the product, and I think everyone agrees that 4070 Ti is a really good product? All the drama is about the price, which is very high indeed. But the fact is that there is no alternative right now. If I give you 800 bucks today, what's best card that you can buy?

You completely ignored this:

What if you for example say:

EDITORS CHOICE IN:
-Noise and thermals
-Power comsumption
-Overclocking potential
-Features
-Performance over last generation

GARBAGE CHOICE IN:
-Price

I assure you no one would complain about your award.

If I give you 800 bucks today, what's best card that you can buy?

Nothing, too expensive for the performance they give.

 

[Why_Me]

People gripe about the price of this card yet a lot of them are the same ones who act like 4K is mainstream. The only place 4K seems to be mainstream is tech sites such as this one. Fact of the matter is the higher resolution you game at the more you're going to spend on your gpu if you play AAA games.

This card is geared for peeps who want a high rate of FPS at 1440P and it does just that for $800+ USD.

 

[W1zzard]

You completely ignored this:

What if you for example say:

EDITORS CHOICE IN:
-Noise and thermals
-Power comsumption
-Overclocking potential
-Features
-Performance over last generation

GARBAGE CHOICE IN:
-Price

I thought it is obvious that the +- list at the start of the conclusion obviously still applies? You're saying "paste it after the award, once again" ? that doesn't make much sense to me.

Do you think it would be feasible to make those badges into links that send people to a page that explain what each badge means?

Absolutely, that's a great idea and I keep forgetting about implementing it

Nothing, too expensive for the performance they give.

Cool, now that @N3M3515 doesn't want my money, any other takers?

So be fair it says Editors Choice, not Must Buy/Have.

Indeed, when I came up with the naming of these awards I felt that not a single product exists on the planet that you "Must Buy" or "Must Have". We're all here in a hobbyist, luxury segment

 

[PenguinBelly]

Hard pass. Not just this one but everything from AMD and NV this generation. Not that I can't spend but I do not want to give to these greedy corporations. Consumers should vote with our wallets or they will go for more the next time.

 

[claes]

Cool, now that @N3M3515 doesn't want my money, any other takers?

Count me in!

 

[crimina|]

Including used


At a certain point the price/performance of competing products will be better. Right now this is not the case for 4070 Ti, unless you want to go 6800 non-XT, or you can find a 3080 for $500-550

Funny you say that, I actually just sold a 3080 for $575.

 

[N3M3515]

If I give you 800 bucks today, what's best card that you can buy?

Also, one thing is free money, and other entirely different is money one has worked hard for. But since money does not grow on trees or is given away....

But as is said, the market is fucked for people with financial awareness, that don't like to throw money away for things that are not worth it. I LOVE gaming, but not enough to spend considerably more ON THE SAME TIER i bought last time, i would consider spending more if i was going to go up a tier or several tiers(just like i did with gtx 1060 ------>rx 6800 xt). Let's say i want the replacement of the 6800xt/3080, that would be the 4080/7900xtx, i would have to spend +$500 or +$300 more, and would be in the same tier i was last gen. WTF?

As long as enough people buys the hyper inflated prices(that do not correspond to inflation), amd and nvidia will keep pushing up.

 

[Why_Me]

Also, one thing is free money, and other entirely different is money one has worked hard for. But since money does not grow on trees or is given away....

But as is said, the market is fucked for people with financial awareness, that don't like to throw money away for things that are not worth it. I LOVE gaming, but not enough to spend considerably more ON THE SAME TIER i bought last time, i would consider spending more if i was going to go up a tier or several tiers(just like i did with gtx 1060 ------>rx 6800 xt). Let's say i want the replacement of the 6800xt/3080, that would be the 4080/7900xtx, i would have to spend +$500 or +$300 more, and would be in the same tier i was last gen. WTF?

As long as enough people buys the hyper inflated prices(that do not correspond to inflation), amd and nvidia will keep pushing up.

Speaking of tiers .. which btw is useless ... everyone knows you go by the benchmarks, not the tiers.

 

[crimina|]

Speaking of tiers .. which btw is useless ... everyone knows you go by the benchmarks, not the tiers.

Why are you so eager to defend Nvidia's pricing? Are you anti-consumer... lol

And tiers aren't useless. Otherwise even Nvidia wouldn't have back tracked on calling the 4070Ti the 4080 12GB. They knew from the backlash that the name and tier mattered.

 

[ThrashZone]

I don't "just say Editor's Choice". I spend hours writing a long conclusion that covers all aspects of the product, and I think everyone agrees that 4070 Ti is a really good product? All the drama is about the price, which is very high indeed. But the fact is that there is no alternative right now. If I give you 800 bucks today, what's best card that you can buy?

Hi,
Now that is clearer than absolute

 

[bug]

Why are you so eager to defend Nvidia's pricing? Are you anti-consumer... lol

And tiers aren't useless. Otherwise even Nvidia wouldn't have back tracked on calling the 4070Ti the 4080 12GB. They knew from the backlash that the name and tier mattered.

Tiers are useless. They do not actually exist.
Back when we had 3 SKUs per generation, it was an easy mental exercise to put them in 3 separate buckets/tiers. Now we simply have way more than 3 SKUs (and crazy prices) and people are spending an extraordinary amount of energy trying to fit everything back into tiers. Instead of looking at the benchmarks and deciding whether they are wiling to pay the asking price for that.

It becomes even more hilarious when, besides tiers, people try to label GPUs based on the number printed on the physical chip and the amount of locked/unlocked hardware behind that.

 

[the54thvoid]

I had posted but deleted it as my arithmatic was off. Effectively, i was referencing the price on Nvidia's UK site, where it states the TUF card is £799.

It's not available at that price but is currently £899. £100 mark-up.

 

[N3M3515]

Tiers are useless. They do not actually exist.
Back when we had 3 SKUs per generation, it was an easy mental exercise to put them in 3 separate buckets/tiers. Now we simply have way more than 3 SKUs (and crazy prices) and people are spending an extraordinary amount of energy trying to fit everything back into tiers. Instead of looking at the benchmarks and deciding whether they are wiling to pay the asking price for that.

It becomes even more hilarious when, besides tiers, people try to label GPUs based on the number printed on the physical chip and the amount of locked/unlocked hardware behind that.

All you said there promotes confusion and price hiking, don't know why since i do not think you benefit from it but heh.

 

[crimina|]

Tiers are useless. They do not actually exist.
Back when we had 3 SKUs per generation, it was an easy mental exercise to put them in 3 separate buckets/tiers. Now we simply have way more than 3 SKUs (and crazy prices) and people are spending an extraordinary amount of energy trying to fit everything back into tiers. Instead of looking at the benchmarks and deciding whether they are wiling to pay the asking price for that.

It becomes even more hilarious when, besides tiers, people try to label GPUs based on the number printed on the physical chip and the amount of locked/unlocked hardware behind that.

We can agree to diagree, but even Nvidia doesn't agree with you on that.

Otherwise, like I said, backlash wouldn't have forced Nvidia to unlaunch the 4080 12GB.

 

[bug]

All you said there promotes confusion and price hiking, don't know why since i do not think you benefit from it but heh.

All I have said is that "tiers" are an abstract construct of our minds instinctively trying to dumb everything down and people should concentrate on actual product and benchmarks instead. I don't know how that is promoting either confusion or price hiking.

And the way that benefits me is me spending $0 on video cards since 2016.

 

[N3M3515]

All I have said is that "tiers" are an abstract construct of our minds instinctively trying to dumb everything down

That's wrong, the names of gpus indicate the tier, nothing complicated about it x50, x60, x70, x80, x90. Very simple.

 

[bug]

That's wrong, the names of gpus indicate the tier, nothing complicated about it x50, x60, x70, x80, x90. Very simple.

And why is some random number on the box indicative of the tier? Why not actual performance? Why not power draw? Why not price?

Once again, "tier" is just a (lame) way to reduce a multi-dimensional problem to a 1-dimension problem.

 

[N3M3515]

And why is some random number on the box indicative of the tier? Why not actual performance?

It's very weird that you ask that, tier corelates to performance, you don't need to see the actual performance to know that a x70 is faster than a x60, what you need the benchmark for is to see how much faster one is to the other and if THE PRICE justifies it.

 

[cvearl]

Given its price, I was expecting it to be slower than the 7900 XT. Still, given that it's as fast as the 3090, it will sell well, and put pressure on AMD to lower the price of the 7900 XT.

Locally they recieved hundreds in my city and only sold a handful LOL.

In rasterization it is only 20% faster than a 6800XT/3080. It's 10% slower in Raster than a 7900XT and 10% faster in RT (excluding Control and Cyberpunk) than a 7900XT. Honestly the 4070ti and 7900XT should both be $750 - $800 but they are sitting between $850 and $1000. No thanks. I will wait it out with my 6800XT.

Clearly though... the gap has closed between AMD and nVidia in the high end. At the same price these would both be great options but they need to drop at least $100.

 

[cbb]

On older (now crud, after being sold & staff turnover) tech site (TR I think?) always included a price v performance scatterplot of all recently tested models. I find that a **lot** clearer than hopping back and forth btwn perf charts and the front page unordered listing. It would really be nice if the value discussion had that simple plot (4k, presumably, in this day and age). This site has really good testing, but less great data presentation, imho. The performance/dollar is particularly useless for buying decisions, as adjacent parts could be in wildly different performance leagues; it's an ok intellectual exercise, but u can't use it to buy w/o jumping back and forth btwn pages; u might easily pick some heavily discounted item that isn't up to snuff. I mention it in part because after all the new models (and price changes) I'm really unclear on the overall landscape and what to pick. Just the opinion of some rando online...