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Reference NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4070 Rumored to Launch at $749

stimpy88 said:
Then why aren't nGreedias own cards significantly cheaper, more available outside the US, or offer a feature the AIBs don't?
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Every big company's sole aim in the business is to profit the most they can from their product lines.
Nvidia, AMD, Intel, ASUS, Acer, everybody.
They are all greedy in that respect.
 
stimpy88 said:
If the rumours of an updated PlayStation come true, and if MS refresh the Xbox as well later this year, it will be hard to justify the price of building a mid-high end desktop PC.

I don't understand nGreedias end game here. It's almost like they want to pull out of the gaming market for all the damage their extreme prices are doing.

The way this is going, the only affordable mass market gaming card will be a $350+- RTX4050, and knowing nGreedia, it will probably only have 6GB and a 96Bit bus.
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I'll switch to consoles when the follow is possible.

  • Play PC Games from the 90's - 2000's era.
  • Run Steam, GOG and Epic Launchers.
  • Run applications like Photoshop and reWASD.
  • Non-Laggy Mouse and Keyboard support.
  • Run a browser with uBlock Origin support.
  • Ability to mod my games and install fan patches.
  • Convert movies to H.265 (NVENC) with Handbrake.
So for now i'll stick to a PC thank you every much.
 
Amazing, nvidia just keeps forcing their way, we shall see how many takers there will be.
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I think the missing ingredient in this end result is cryptomining revenue.

We have been through two consecutive cycles, one in 2018, latest in 2021 - 2022 when Nvidia profited much more than gamers ever could pay.

Crypto crash in 2018 resulted in slow sales of RTX 2080, but Nvidia didn't react and maintained high prices and low sales throughout the life cycle of Turing cards. And just when they improved price / performance with Ampere launch, another crypto boom arrived and cut the gamers from the products intended for them.

So history can teach us a lot here. Primarily that gaming isn't the focus of Gaming sector of Nvidia for quite some time any more.

And right now, just as we gamers rejoiced at seemingly total crash of cryptomining for a long time, we're hearing that AI computing is the new boom that will require tens of thousands of GPUs - and that gaming GPUs are just as suitable as more expensive dedicated ones.
 
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F*** this, my xx70 targets all these years are in shambles, ill just maybe keep my 1070 till it croaks and maybe buy a 3060 12gb or whatever is mid/low end at that time
 
This price will make happy 4070-ti owners :p
 
Klemc said:
This price will make happy 4070-ti owners :p
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i think this is nvidia's thinking all along, with every new card's release, it makes some more expensive one seems like actually a good deal :D
 
Bwaze said:
So they plan to launch a graphics card with RTX 3080 performance, three years later and for at least $50 more?

I can't find a way to express my feelings without resorting to swear words, honestly.
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This..4080 is barely worth it's price but the 4070 ti down is complete waste imo. Overpriced and under performing.
 
After those 'rumors' we won't complain about a 650-700$ launch price... :nutkick:

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Vya Domus said:
They still can't make nearly enough of them to cover the entire market but to me it's obvious that that's their end goal. You can't just switch strategies like this overnight, it's going to be a slow process of driving AIBs out of the market and ramping up manufacturing capacity.

I bet this was also part of the plan with the abhorrently priced 12 GB "4080".
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People have been saying this about nGreedia ever since they started selling their reference cards via their website. What is it now, 6-7 years? What is stopping them still after all this time if you are correct? They are not a small company without resources.

Klemc said:
This price will make happy 4070-ti owners :p
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Until they upgrade to a 4K monitor...

dalekdukesboy said:
This..4080 is barely worth it's price but the 4070 ti down is complete waste imo. Overpriced and under performing.
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I think the 4080 is also underperforming. The card struggles, and in many cases fails to do 60fps in the latest games at 4K. The 4090 is too much faster, nGreedia cut the 4080 back too far.
 
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stimpy88 said:
I think the 4080 is also underperforming. The card struggles, and in many cases fails to do 60fps in the latest games at 4K. The 4090 is too much faster, nGreedia cut the 4080 back too far.
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Too far, or enough that people that want to buy a graphics card consider the 1750 EUR monstrosity instead of their normal purchasing budget of 700 - 800 EUR?
 
stimpy88 said:
Until they upgrade to a 4K monitor...
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Yes, but i'm on 2k, i just received an all new flat-VA 27" 1440p 240hz yesterday...
 
Even if the 4070 comes in at $700, that's over $50 more than I got my 3080Ti for, that's just sad. I expect that the 4070 will be about neck and neck with it at 1080p and then start to fall behind it at 1440p and especially at 4k considering the 4070Ti is just a few % over the 3090/3080Ti 4k performance.

This sounds like a complete failure from Nvidia at that price point. No one is running out to snap up 4070Ti, 4080 and even the 4090s anymore. There are so many sitting on the shelves at my MicroCenter.
 
Bwaze said:
Too far, or enough that people that want to buy a graphics card consider the 1750 EUR monstrosity instead of their normal purchasing budget of 700 - 800 EUR?
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I didn't mean to suggest the performance of the 4090, it's not where it should be. The 4080 on the other hand...
 
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stimpy88 said:
People have been saying this about nGreedia ever since they started selling their reference cards via their website. What is it now, 6-7 years? What is stopping them still after all this time if you are correct? They are not a small company without resources.


Until they upgrade to a 4K monitor...


I think the 4080 is also underperforming. The card struggles, and in many cases fails to do 60fps in the latest games at 4K. The 4090 is too much faster, nGreedia cut the 4080 back too far.
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Of course they cut down stepped down tier models as much as possible. They need all the room for 12 different variants of each card; ti, super, superduper, 12gb, 6gb, 9+3gb, 12gb model with 5% more CUDA cores in 6 months with the same name.

Why anyone puts up with Nvidias shenanigans the past few years is beyond me. Sadly we’re probably in for another generation of being bent over bare minimum.
 
this is going to be even more interesting when they get to 1060 or 1050ti (the last great big seller, decently priced, cards they made) comparable models. if this pricing continues it can not be sustainable for sure. If 4070 buyers are already talking how consoles make sense, when we get to those cards things will get complicated for nvidia and amd.

sony and microsoft needs to improve frame rate, keyboard and mouse support, some discord like thing, and they can really be seating in a gold mine here.
 
Good pricing, as far as I care! Ahah!
As long as the games are only console ports, no one will need these cards for a while! Furthermore, the second-hand market has enough cards for who really needs one.
 
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Well, you could always buy AMD....it matches in raster, the drivers aren't that bad, they seriously aren't, Hardware unboxed has said as much, and yes they're behind in ray tracing, but how many people use ray tracing that much? Perhaps a little less ray tracing performance would be worth the eventual marketshare loss by Nvidia? Can you imagine how much the dGPU market would improve for consumers if AMD stole just 10%-15% more marketshare? Nvidia would be seriously humbled, just like Intel has been....of course this requires the ability to delay one's complete gratification and a sense of solidarity so I know nobody will go for it, ha.
 
And there we have it.
Given how far it's been cut down from the $850 4070Ti is is, it's not really going to be appealing at anything more than about $650 and even that's an insult over the 3070's launch price of $499.

Maybe I'm wrong, maybe the 5888 cores leaked spec is bogus. Either way, the reduced bandwidth from a drop to a 192-bit bus is only partially made up by the change to GDDR6X. The end result is about the same bandwidth, but at a higher latency, and higher power draw. That's a downgrade IMO - so realistically all the 4070 is bringing to the table is the same 5888 cores of the 3070 at 30% higher clocks, plus whatever arbitrary restrictions nvidia insist on claiming about DLSS 3.0 and 30-series.
 
Even in the current climate, this thing needs to be $500 or less.
 
I wasn't expecting to be so wrong. I was saying $650-$700 when others where saying $600 or less. But I was so so wrong.

THE MORE YOU PAY THE MORE YOU SAVE.

Oh my, Nvidia fans will have a really tough job justifying this price.

Wait....wait wait wait. What am I saying? It's easy. IT's AMD's FAULT!!!!
Easy...


PS Nvidia is using the same tacktic as with 4080 and 4090. It puts a really bad deal under an already overpriced product to make it look like a great deal.
4080, 4090 and now 4070, 4070 Ti.
I guess 4060 Ti will be expensive, but OK and 4060 expensive and terrible deal.
 
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