How are new oled panels Burn-In proof?

[Arco]

I have the FO48U, After putting in 2250 hours into this C1 equivalent I have minor burn-in. The burn-in is very minor green and red for some HUD elements. I have run the normal pixel refresh every day or two. (APCS) I can get some images and I do plan on running the AOCS cycle soon and I will show the results.

 

[Bill_Bright]

but it's so difficult to recommend buying something when 32''(/34/39) and/or 240hz 4k will be start to become a commodity next year.

There are two things wrong with that statement. First, you are assuming a bigger monitor is better. Technically speaking, there is nothing to suggest it is. Bigger does not mean better quality, better image, longer life/better reliability, better efficiency, or whatever else you deem represents "better".

Otherwise, it is totally subjective. YOU may prefer a bigger monitor, but that does not suggest everyone else does. For example, I have a hutch on my desk. My two 24in monitors fit perfectly under it. I could fit 27" monitors "IF" they had height adjustment stands, but then my center channel speaker for my surround sound system would not fit under the monitors. It would have to sit behind the monitors where the sound would be blocked. That would be unacceptable for me.

24" inch is also the perfect size for me based on the distance from my head to the screen surfaces. 32" or larger, especially in a multimonitor setup (an absolute necessity) would be too big. I'd constantly be moving my head back and forth, up and down. Not for me.

The second thing wrong with that statement is that there is ALWAYS something better coming just around the corner. So if one waits for whatever better is soon coming, they will always be waiting because as soon that thing you waited for is here, something new will be on the horizon.

So I say, when ready to buy, pull the trigger.

To avoid burnin, use OLED for media only, like games, and keep a second monitor for normal usage, like desktop.

Nonsense. Please read what actual OLED owners have been saying before and after your post. Besides, for many users, "media" and "games" are their "normal usage".

The actual fact is, it does not matter what program is being displayed. What matters is how long a pixel is lit up with the exact same display data (color, brightness, etc.). As long as it is not constant for hours and days on end, then fine.

Phones are a totally different ball game. Their Screen On Time is tiny by comparison

You don't have any teenaged kids (or grandkids) do you? If they could get away with it, their screens would be lit up 30 hours a day. Ever heard of FOMO?

 

[Arco]

I really don't like pentile, that's the whole reason I avoid phones and HMDs with them. One of the main reasons I went for the Pimax Crystal instead of the Bigscreen Beyond. (Who named it that, I really want to talk to them.)

 

[crlogic]

Do you own anything with a OLED display? I personally have held off on OLED for computers or laptops because of this very issue, however I've owned my iPhone 11 Pro Max since late 2019 and it has an OLED display. After just about 4 years, I can't notice any perceivable image retention. So, it does make me wonder how many panels are out there that'll hold up just as well, forget a modern panel and not one from 4 years ago.

I have the same experience as this. It took my Apple Watch 3< years of the same watch face with its Always-On-Display enabled to get any burn in. But my 11 Pro Max at the same age had no signs at all. There was also an image retention bug on the 15 Pros that was just fixed in software somehow. Apple definitely works some magic with their display designs

 

[phanbuey]

To avoid burnin, use OLED for media only, like games, and keep a second monitor for normal usage, like desktop.

it's amazing how many people want to use OLED for work and deal with all the downsides (burn in- text, handling, massive power consumption).

You can use it for work, and I used my 48" cx for work for about a year when WFH but, Once I got the much cheaper gigabyte m32U it was a huge upgrade for the work aspect.

 

[Bill_Bright]

it's amazing how many people want to use OLED for work and deal with all the downsides (burn in- text, handling, massive power consumption).

What's amazing is how "some" people assume their own anecdotal experiences apply to all - as if your work environment and how you use your computer at work is the same for all.

For the record, there is nothing wrong with "text handling" and OLEDs. And while power consumption may be a little higher than other monitor technologies, it is not "massive" plus there are too many other variables to make that valid statement - such as CPU and GPU power consumption.

 

[phanbuey]

What's amazing is how "some" people assume their own anecdotal experiences apply to all - as if your work environment and how you use your computer at work is the same for all.

For the record, there is nothing wrong with "text handling" and OLEDs. And while power consumption may be a little higher than other monitor technologies, it is not "massive" plus there are too many other variables to make that valid statement - such as CPU and GPU power consumption.

That's misleading - stop misleading people with your OLED agenda - oleds displaying a white screen (spreadsheets/ office apps) consume a huge amount of power, and the pixel layout frignes and distorts text.

I have one, and that's true, and every review of every current OLED says it. So for the record. Yes there are thing wrong with how oleds handle text.

The current crop of desktop oleds are not ideal for work.

 

[TheinsanegamerN]

That's misleading - stop misleading people with your OLED agenda - oleds displaying a white screen (spreadsheets/ office apps) consume a huge amount of power, and the pixel layout frignes and distorts text.

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I have one, and that's true, and every review of every current OLED says it. So for the record. Yes there are thing wrong with how oleds handle text.

The current crop of desktop oleds are not ideal for work.

Well yeah, that's why dark mode exists silly. It's also way less straining on your eyes.
"breaker breaker one nine, he's noticed the agenda, shut it down, repeat, SHUT IT DOWN"

You don't have any teenaged kids (or grandkids) do you? If they could get away with it, their screens would be lit up 30 hours a day. Ever heard of FOMO?

THEM YOUNGNS AND THEIR TIK TAKS

From what I see, they're viewing things like fullscreen videos and such, and constantly switch between apps that have different UIs. Shaking it up enough to prevent burn in. Of course us geezers dont do that, I'm comparing it mainly to my desktop which has been known to be powered on upwards of 16 hours a day without breaks. I've hit 7-8 hours on my phone in a day, but that was watching fullscreen videos, EG no burn in.

 

[oxrufiioxo]

That's misleading - stop misleading people with your OLED agenda - oleds displaying a white screen (spreadsheets/ office apps) consume a huge amount of power, and the pixel layout frignes and distorts text.

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I have one, and that's true, and every review of every current OLED says it. So for the record. Yes there are thing wrong with how oleds handle text.

The current crop of desktop oleds are not ideal for work.

While I agree with you that a secondary ips monitor is ideal for those that do a ton of productivity work I still feel that the text thing is blown way out of proportion I have 0 issues with text legibility on any of my oleds to the point that sometime I'm too lazy to switch over to an ips when doing a ton of reading even on a mostly white background

The power consumption while high isn't really going to be that crazy assuming 120w higher than an ips which is more than it will actually be at 50 cents a kilowatt 12 hours per day that's about 20 bucks a month more than an ips so at the probably more realistic 60w more 10 bucks....

 

[wNotyarD]

Yes there are thing wrong with how oleds handle text.

If we're talking exclusively about using Windows, the wrong thing is called ClearType. It can't render text well on anything that isn't using RGB or BGR subpixel layout. OLED screens are WRGB, QD-matrix or Pentile, and ClearType will make a mess on every single one of them (noticeably fringing).

 

[phanbuey]

If we're talking exclusively about using Windows, the wrong thing is called ClearType. It can't render text well on anything that isn't using RGB subpixel layout. OLED screens are WRGB, QD-matrix or Pentile, and ClearType will make a mess on every single one of them (noticeably fringing).

This. The WRGB does the best if you use windows scaling 125%+ it's ok.

But the text looks bad on my ubuntu desktop as as well, so it's not just windows (im too lazy to faf with the linux one, but i'm sure you can make it look better), any font smoothing tech is not great with it, low ppi OLED + oldschool text smoothing. low ppi oled + osx will make your eyes scream for mercy.

The solution will end up just more PPI and slight tweaks to cleartype/freetype and it will look great -- in the future.

 

[R-T-B]

OLEDs still burn in even if you babysit them 24/7. it's just a matter of time.
image retention can appear within 60 minutes on every modern panel from any manufacturer. Burn In will be a thing in a year or two even with auto hiding the taskbar, having a screensaver and a 5 minute sleep timer.
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I must have missed it in my 4 years using a B9 as a PC monitor with no mitigations.

Phones are a totally different ball game. Their Screen On Time is tiny by comparison, and they dont have static images like desktop OSes do, things like the taskbar.

Android taskbutton/bar says hello.

 

[Belfaborac]

As far as Clear Type goes, I didn't even notice the change from LCD to OLED. The readability/usability is just the same as it ever was.

 

[oxrufiioxo]

As far as Clear Type goes, I didn't even notice the change from LCD to OLED. The readability/usability is just the same as it ever was.

if you get really really close on an all white backround you should notice it but def 0 difference in readability for sure. I honestly have to see it side by side to even notice it though....

 

[Belfaborac]

Exactly.

So basically: if the tip of your nose regularly hits the screen as you work, maybe don't get an OLED. If that doesn't apply, it's very likely a non-issue.

 

[wNotyarD]

Exactly.

So basically: if the tip of your nose regularly hits the screen as you work, maybe don't get an OLED. If that doesn't apply, it's very likely a non-issue.

Vision is something personal. For example, I do notice fringing/smearing on text using both my VA monitor and my OLED TV, I just ain't bothered by it. There's people who can't stand it, though.

 

[alwayssts]

I just can't see myself using a 42" or bigger display as a monitor, unless I'm sat like 5 or 6 feet from it. Don't understand how anyone can use a display that big on their desk.

It seems like newer OLED panels are getting better though. I'm just waiting for prices to drop. For now I'm ok with my crappy VA panel in my dell monitor.

$1000 for a 27" monitor is ridiculous

Totally fair. I've used a TV as a (htpc) monitor from my couch since the LD450 (which was a low input lag for the time 1080p IPS LCD). Since that time I went to a 120hz 65 4k LCD to a 65 oled (when HDMI 2.1 launched). Still kinda mad I'm locked to Gysnc (while the X/10 gen supports both), but whaddya do. $1400 4 years ago for a 65'' 4k120 oled made sense to me as a good time to upgrade.

Works for me (~6-7ft or so? All I see is screen), but I understand that it's not a tenable situation for everyone. Most of the time I use a laptop, often hooked up to a smaller monitor. I apologize for not making it more clear, but I don't use the same device all the time. I understand many people do. I game on the HTPC/TV, I write on a lowly banger that can barely run youtube videos.

There are two things wrong with that statement. First, you are assuming a bigger monitor is better. Technically speaking, there is nothing to suggest it is. Bigger does not mean better quality, better image, longer life/better reliability, better efficiency, or whatever else you deem represents "better".

Otherwise, it is totally subjective. YOU may prefer a bigger monitor, but that does not suggest everyone else does. For example, I have a hutch on my desk. My two 24in monitors fit perfectly under it. I could fit 27" monitors "IF" they had height adjustment stands, but then my center channel speaker for my surround sound system would not fit under the monitors. It would have to sit behind the monitors where the sound would be blocked. That would be unacceptable for me.

24" inch is also the perfect size for me based on the distance from my head to the screen surfaces. 32" or larger, especially in a multimonitor setup (an absolute necessity) would be too big. I'd constantly be moving my head back and forth, up and down. Not for me.

The second thing wrong with that statement is that there is ALWAYS something better coming just around the corner. So if one waits for whatever better is soon coming, they will always be waiting because as soon that thing you waited for is here, something new will be on the horizon.

So I say, when ready to buy, pull the trigger.


Nonsense. Please read what actual OLED owners have been saying before and after your post. Besides, for many users, "media" and "games" are their "normal usage".

The actual fact is, it does not matter what program is being displayed. What matters is how long a pixel is lit up with the exact same display data (color, brightness, etc.). As long as it is not constant for hours and days on end, then fine.


You don't have any teenaged kids (or grandkids) do you? If they could get away with it, their screens would be lit up 30 hours a day. Ever heard of FOMO?

My guy, I'm not trying to imply everyone's situation is the same. Please do not get the wrong impression nor put words in my mouth. I've become quite irritated when people imply this, when I go out of my way in every instance to say "IMO" or "something to consider". I'm just an average consumer that hates getting in on something at the wrong time if I could have something better/cheaper soon, it just feels bad. I understand not everyone thinks this way and some will get in on the best thing for them at that moment asap.

I am saying that many panels/monitors are coming, not just from Samsung/LG but other suppliers, which is why the market is expected to boom starting next year. Not everyone keeps on top of that info. Not everyone bought a 1440p120 Korean monitor back in the day, but when it happened people appreciated that value. Some bought Asus stuff. This is no different.

Perhaps I didn't make it clear by saying THAT IS A NICE MONITOR, just consider that market (which is currently relatively expensive) will drop in price very quickly because many people want them but currently they are very niche in availability. While you can make the argument there is always something better, and I am indeed a person that likes to look forward, there are certain inflection points where things make sense to a greater number of people. 27/32+ 1440/4k HFR is going to become much cheaper soon because of the additional sizes and increased competition. That only happens once, and it hasn't happened yet, but is happening soon. It's always an individuals prerogative, I'm just trying to give context. If your situation permits a different choice, or if someone chooses to spend more for something better than they currently have earlier then ofc they should do that! In no way am I implying 32''/4k is the only option, it was just an example (it should be implied smaller sizes/1440p would also become a commodity).

Just trying to help, that's all.

I don't get why people go out of their way to pick a fight, I'm just trying to inform in case it's helpful. If it doesn't fit someone's situation, or they disagree, that's fine!

 

[R-T-B]

Keep in mind I use my B9 as basically an "armchair gaming" solution so the distance between me and my 55" display is actually quite high. YMMV.

 

[AsRock]

https://i.rtings.com/assets/pages/d1mrZyDc/50-gray-10-large.jpg

Month 10, less image retention.

C2 after 10 months:

https://i.rtings.com/assets/pages/A1QpY2ai/50-gray-10-large.jpg

They all so done some reviews on how the TV's try\solve the issue too.

 

[Belfaborac]

Vision is something personal. For example, I do notice fringing/smearing on text using both my VA monitor and my OLED TV, I just ain't bothered by it. There's people who can't stand it, though.

Absolutely. People have different sensitivities to different things. Personally I have a far too high tolerance for dust bunnies.

Anyway, for most people it ought to be fairly simple to find a shop with one or more OLED screens where they can check if they're among the tiny minority who cannot stomach the results of the non-standard sub-pixel layout.

 

[oxrufiioxo]

Absolutely. People have different sensitivities to different things. Personally I have a far too high tolerance for dust bunnies.

Anyway, for most people it ought to be fairly simple to find a shop with one or more OLED screens where they can check if they're among the tiny minority who cannot stomach the results of the non-standard sub-pixel layout.

Or as I always recommend with any tech purchase grab something with an excellent return policy.

 

[alwayssts]

Keep in mind I use my B9 as basically an "armchair gaming" solution so the distance between me and my 55" display is actually quite high. YMMV.

You use one too? I'm not alone. Cool.

Glad you're also enjoying it.

 

[Belfaborac]

Or as I always recommend with any tech purchase grab something with an excellent return policy.

Or relocate to a country with consumer-centric sales regulations.

 

[R-T-B]

You use one too? I'm not alone. Cool.

Glad you're also enjoying it.

It's honestly my second best tech item I have right now, only behind my gaming rig.

 

[P4-630]

What is causing the iPhone 15 Pro Max 'screen burn-in' issue?

Screen burn-in is a common issue that often affects OLED displays. However, it typically happens over a period of time — not in the short window that we've been seeing with iPhone 15 Pro Max.
After all, the phone began shipping on Sept. 22. How is it that users are suffering from screen burn-in so soon?

A more accurate term to describe what's affecting some iPhone 15 Pro Max models is image retention, which is similar to the screen burn-in, but it's short lived and doesn't leave permanent damage.