will gpu continue to have crazy TDP?

[AusWolf]

Rt is no nonsense in metro exodus ee. The complete lighting is rt. Its not even working on non rt capable cards. Its also extremely performant for what it is. even my amd card can get 4k native 60 plus and nvidia can use dlss.

one of the best rt implementations on the market.

Metro: Exodus EE is great! My other favourite examples are Control and Deliver Us The Moon (even though it has a bug where the reflections of power canisters are always yellow, regardless of the colour scheme you choose in the menu - the default is white). Cyberpunk isn't bad, either, but the performance cost is too great. In Alan Wake 2, I honestly can't notice any difference besides the game tanking at 1/4 performance.

 

[Deleted member 237813]

i was not that impressed with control rt wise. but its only reflection and sone shadowing i think?

the reason rasterization looks so good is because devs had decades to built it after rt also a lot of stuff is simply rt on a texture if that makes sense. thats why baked lighting if done well looks just as good. devs learned good faking. thats why only pathtracing really is changing the picture and simple rt barely imo. and pt is unplayable on 90% of cards. and even there you need framegen AND dlss performance which is ridiculous. 1000€ or more for 1080p sure it looks like 1440p but still. i see it on the 7900xt it plays everything at native 4k no issue. while the 4070 can be 40% slower or more just because of the bit bus. same with the 4070ti.

nvidia tells you buy our 900€ bucks 1440p card oh fuck off.

look how well the xt and xtx ages XT hits 4080 level like performance pretty often or very close to it with a fraction of its cost. i dont even need fsr. that for 750€ instead of 1150€ . not to mention it has even more vram. absolutely ridiculous imo. sure amd lost its mind to especially at the release prices but damn value of the 7800 and 7900 xt is insane right now.

Look at the 7800xt overclocked its on the heels of a 4070ti while costing 50% less. i dont know how most people can still support nvidias garbage tactics because rt performance? lol marketing at its best. alan wake 2 wake barely looks different in pt or non pt. just for cp 2077 paying that much more? not worth it. Sure dlss is better than fsr but why would i need that on a higher end chip? ridiculous imho.

i hope intel catches up fast because nvidia have lost their minds and nvidia fanboys equals apple fanboys. no rational critical thinking.

1050ti vs rx 470. cheaper, faster more vram, people still bought the 1050ti . yet people wonder why amd stopped with the insane value prices of earlier gens. thats why.

 

[Dirt Chip]

A bit off topic, but I would like to see a review of all GPU until today that use only the pcie power aka max 75W.

on topic, and from a profit point of view, many companies see extra $$$ as a result of the trend of ever growing power usage. They also ״creates” the demand by develop more demanding games and applications that must use stronger hardware and as a result of physical limits tend to draw more power. This is a grand, synchronised and symbiotic industry that benefits from bigger W and use it a an “must upgrade” excuse (and this is just one of those excuses, see also GPU memory amount and so on).
Taking the current capitalist market state in our planet into account and by projecting upon our human must-have-more-now nature, I can say this trans will not change nor slow down in the coming foreseeable future.

TL;DR
will gpu continue to have crazy TDP?
Yes.

 

[Deleted member 237813]

lets be real most people especially in the us dont give a shit about tdp. fps is all that matters. electricity is what below 10 cents? who cares?

the cooler on my 7900 is so good its quieter than most 4070 i had here.

apus will be the new norm for budget and low tdps. it might take another 2 gens but we are getting there.

 

[mechtech]

it seems out of hand. lets not focus on the monstrosity sizes they have become and the sag, but why arent they doing anything about tdp with them. 300-450W for gpu is out of hand. cpu have stayed pretty stable with theirs, maybe higher intel chips have gotten high but they are just a few but if cpu can stay pretty low why gpu are getting higher and higher the jumps are quite large for the higher end ones. will this trend continue more and more? at the pace were in now, well be well over 600w for a card in the next few years. and with electricity prices jumping, thats paying the card twice in its use time. or a good chunk. seems like they put mno effort into the efficiency of them. hell I remember a time when I was thinking 180w was a lot for a gpu.

Ray Tracing probably adds to the power consumption.

I don't have one game that has RT................

Personally, I wish they made non RT version cards and either cut out all the RT stuff for power savings and/or made regular shaders out of them for more non-rt fps.

 

[AusWolf]

i was not that impressed with control rt wise. but its only reflection and sone shadowing i think?

the reason rasterization looks so good is because devs had decades to built it after rt also a lot of stuff is simply rt on a texture if that makes sense. thats why baked lighting if done well looks just as good. devs learned good faking. thats why only pathtracing really is changing the picture and simple rt barely imo. and pt is unplayable on 90% of cards. and even there you need framegen AND dlss performance which is ridiculous. 1000€ or more for 1080p sure it looks like 1440p but still. i see it on the 7900xt it plays everything at native 4k no issue. while the 4070 can be 40% slower or more just because of the bit bus. same with the 4070ti.

nvidia tells you buy our 900€ bucks 1440p card oh fuck off.

look how well the xt and xtx ages XT hits 4080 level like performance pretty often or very close to it with a fraction of its cost. i dont even need fsr. that for 750€ instead of 1150€ . not to mention it has even more vram. absolutely ridiculous imo. sure amd lost its mind to especially at the release prices but damn value of the 7800 and 7900 xt is insane right now.

Look at the 7800xt overclocked its on the heels of a 4070ti while costing 50% less. i dont know how most people can still support nvidias garbage tactics because rt performance? lol marketing at its best. alan wake 2 wake barely looks different in pt or non pt. just for cp 2077 paying that much more? not worth it. Sure dlss is better than fsr but why would i need that on a higher end chip? ridiculous imho.

i hope intel catches up fast because nvidia have lost their minds and nvidia fanboys equals apple fanboys. no rational critical thinking.

1050ti vs rx 470. cheaper, faster more vram, people still bought the 1050ti . yet people wonder why amd stopped with the insane value prices of earlier gens. thats why.

I bought the 1050 Ti because it was a passively cooled variant. Zero fan, zero failure, zero noise. Also, Nvidia cards came in small form factors, perfect for m-ITX builds, up to 1060, or even 1070 levels. Their lower power consumption also meant lower heat output which made them a lot more suitable for small cases. This was Nvidia's huge advantage vs AMD in my eyes. I'm sad that they abandoned this path.

Other than that, I agree.

 

[mechtech]

lets be real most people especially in the us dont give a shit about tdp. fps is all that matters. electricity is what below 10 cents? who cares?

the cooler on my 7900 is so good its quieter than most 4070 i had here.

apus will be the new norm for budget and low tdps. it might take another 2 gens but we are getting there.

Some places it's easily over 30 cent/kwhr.

Either way doesn't matter to me.

My 5500W electric dryer probably has 40 hrs of runtime per month.

 

[AusWolf]

Ray Tracing probably adds to the power consumption.

I don't have one game that has RT................

Personally, I wish they made non RT version cards and either cut out all the RT stuff for power savings and/or made regular shaders out of them for more non-rt fps.

Like the Nvidia 16-series? I don't think those were massively popular, to be honest.

 

[Deleted member 237813]

I bought the 1050 Ti because it was a passively cooled variant. Zero fan, zero failure, zero noise. Also, Nvidia cards came in small form factors, perfect for m-ITX builds, up to 1060, or even 1070 levels. Their lower power consumption also meant lower heat output which made them a lot more suitable for small cases. This was Nvidia's huge advantage vs AMD in my eyes. I'm sad that they abandoned this path.

Other than that, I agree.

Sure that’s completely valid as its a special user case and the 470 needed a lot more power but it was also 30% faster if not more.

 

[mechtech]

Like the Nvidia 16-series? I don't think those were massively popular, to be honest.

The RX480 and RX570/580 were popular. Then again, back then RT wasn't as widespread as it is now.

 

[AusWolf]

Sure that’s completely valid as its a special user case and the 470 needed a lot more power but it was also 30% faster if not more.

30% isn't much in my opinion. If a GPU isn't at least 50% faster than another, I won't care. For example, 30% on top of 40 FPS is what? 52 FPS? Marginally better, I'd say. Definitely not worth the extra size and heat.

 

[Deleted member 237813]

Some places it's easily over 30 cent/kwhr.

Either way doesn't matter to me.

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My 5500W electric dryer probably has 40 hrs of runtime per month.

i know even 40 cents in sweden and viking lands.

i am at 12-14 cents now which is the cheapest in the whole country. i pay 28€ a month for electricity.

but still its a hobby you should not hinder your fun because of 100 watts or something . imo

 

[AusWolf]

i know even 40 cents in sweden and viking lands.

i am at 12-14 cents now which is the cheapest in the whole country. i pay 28€ a month for electricity.

but still its a hobby you should not hinder your fun because of 100 watts or something . imo

I care about power consumption because of heat. Micro-ATX is the biggest I ever go with any of my builds (I simply don't like the wasted space in bigger towers).

 

[Deleted member 237813]

The RX480 and RX570/580 were popular. Then again, back then RT wasn't as widespread as it is now.

its widespread? lol almost 6 years after introduction maybe 4 games are worth it to enable it. absolute useless gimmick still.

 

[mechtech]

i know even 40 cents in sweden and viking lands.

i am at 12-14 cents now which is the cheapest in the whole country. i pay 28€ a month for electricity.

but still its a hobby you should not hinder your fun because of 100 watts or something . imo

I use about 800-1000kwhr/mo very little of that is the PC. I think I am around $165 (CAD)/mo ish

 

[Deleted member 237813]

I care about power consumption because of heat. Micro-ATX is the biggest I ever go with any of my builds (I simply don't like the wasted space in bigger towers).

Thats also your own beer a mid tower is not that big. it also fits any gpu and is easier to cool. i cant hear my pc when it blows 400 watts . but sure thats your preference. i was a maniac with undervolting and stuff but i just dont care the benefits are so low especially with modern nvidia hardware.

I use about 800-1000kwhr/mo very little of that is the PC. I think I am around $165 (CAD)/mo ish

well im single and alone in my flat lol with only 56m2. so yea alone its not much. sure family pays too 240€ a month but nobody gives a fuck there in the huge house with pool robo running all year and what not.

 

[AusWolf]

Thats also your own beer a mid tower is not that big. it also fits any gpu and is easier to cool. i cant hear my pc when it blows 400 watts . but sure thats your preference. i was a maniac with undervolting and stuff but i just dont care the benefits are so low especially with modern nvidia hardware.

My current m-ATX box is "not that big". A mid tower? No, thank you. Everyone has different preferences. All I'm saying is, power consumption does matter for some people, not only for money saving reasons.

 

[Deleted member 237813]

i wanted it too but i just could not get over the fact that small is costing more..

thats how my pc look in living room right corner fits perfectly yea its naked i just moved in 2 weeks ago

 

[Panther_Seraphin]

lets be real most people especially in the us dont give a shit about tdp. fps is all that matters. electricity is what below 10 cents? who cares?

Thats a US thing.

Electricity in the UK/EU is multiple times higher!. Pretty sure some places in EU are paying effectively 70cents a unit.

 

[Deleted member 237813]

well im in austria and i pay not much but most people are to stupid to compare prices and change it. aka confortable using whats there from the beginning. but if they want to pay 2 times that for no reason why not

 

[Nordic]

Thats a US thing.

Electricity in the UK/EU is multiple times higher!. Pretty sure some places in EU are paying effectively 70cents a unit.

The retail price for electricity in the United States stood at an average of 12.5 U.S. cents per kilowatt-hour in 2022. Ireland, the United Kingdom, and Italy had some of the highest household electricity prices worldwide, as of June 2023. At the time, Irish households were charged around 0.52 U.S. dollars per kilowatt-hour, while in the UK the price stood at 0.44 U.S. dollars per kilowatt-hour.
Source: Statistica.com

 

[Deleted member 237813]

germany had(still has?)the highest in the world afaik. cool im barely above us prices lucky bastard

 

[inquisitor1]

The RX480 and RX570/580 were popular. Then again, back then RT wasn't as widespread as it is now.

RT is not interesting to me like physx was. its all nonsese. you have to stop to really notice but during the game its not an issue. nice to have I guess but not needed. I remeber batman arkham asylum having it. made some papers and leaves blow as extra. big whoop. I saw RT in cp2077. meh.

Thats a US thing.

Electricity in the UK/EU is multiple times higher!. Pretty sure some places in EU are paying effectively 70cents a unit.

exactly why I made the post. those in the USA sit comfortable with low electrical bills and many of them probably live with their parents or dont pay to dismiss how expensive it has gotten.

 

[Knight47]

exactly why I made the post. those in the USA sit comfortable with low electrical bills and many of them probably live with their parents or dont pay to dismiss how expensive it has gotten.

But hey, we have "Free" healthcare(USA people like to mention it all the time) which is funded through payroll taxes which affect a citizen’s take-home pay.

 

[AusWolf]

But hey, we have "Free" healthcare(USA people like to mention it all the time) which is funded through payroll taxes which affect a citizen’s take-home pay.

Sure, but it's still better to have "free" healthcare funded by your tax than to pay tax and not have free healthcare, in my opinion.

Let's not stray too far from the topic, though.