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Hello, 2 days ago I bought the computer with the features of ASUS X515EP I5 1135G7 MX330 8 GB RAM 512 GB NVme SSD. Now I need to install windows 10 or 11 on this device. I would be glad if you inform me I want to have a fluent windows experience. The device is now Freedos
 
Install Windows 10 anyway (cause it is mature, light and stable) and only install Windows 11 when Microsoft stops releasing monthly security updates for 10.

If your processor had an integrated NPU, then yes, you should have to install Windows 11, because I think only Windows 11 supports NPUs.
 
Nhonho said:
Install Windows 10 anyway (cause it is mature, light and stable) and only install Windows 11 when Microsoft stops releasing monthly security updates for 10.

If your processor had an integrated NPU, then yes, you should have to install Windows 11, because I think only Windows 11 supports NPUs.
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Thanks, i will play games on this Device. Maybe it will stutter windows 11 because ı have 8 gb ram.
 
Windows 11.
I am as much of a "hater" when it comes to microsoft and new Windows versions but Windows 11 is in almost every way far superior.
 
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Win11 is like another Win7 moment for me.
Too regressive to navigate properly and on age appropriate hardware I'm running to Server 2012/2016 so fast.
It's called workflow, not workstop. If you're a creator, stick to Win10 or be ready to have a better shell available than Explorer.
If you need lots of jumplists that are married to the taskbar, you don't have much choice anyway.
If your hardware is so new that drivers for it start with the cutoff AT Win11, again there's not really a choice. Good luck.
 
Windows 10 works fine since i cant even navigate 11 since its such a mess.
 
Multiple people here saying Windows 11 is harder to navigate...

How?

I've used literally every major version of Windows since 3.1, extensively, from time of release. It's Windows again. They tweaked Explorer a bit, and no, I don't like all the changes, but maybe 10 minutes changing settings and a couple pieces of light third party software and you're good to go. That's nothing new, Windows has practically required such tweaks since XP, or at very least Vista.

Now, would I put 11 (or 10) on a machine with 8GB of RAM? No, but I also wouldn't own anything I planned to use regularly with less than 16GB, so...

I guess put Linux on it and hope for the best?
 
Windows 10, 10 LTSC if you can.

11 offers nothing unique that's worth using and has the same performance for games. Overall it's a more bloated OS with worse privacy, UI performance and efficiency. The job of 11 is to collect data off you, hence ads in start menu, increased tracking, "AI copilot" etc.

All the AI stuff baked into 11 that ties into local NPU etc is meaningless. If you're interested in AI, you're doing it on the GPU and using professional software. The consumer copilot etc is just more bloat designed to get you to continuously feed MS data.
 
faye said:
How?
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Some of us tend to use bars, pins and lists in very specific ways because it's FAST. Having to unlearn those actions because Explorer suddenly no longer cooperates with pinning an item in the taskbar or grabbing a list item from a menu or flick menus no longer appearing is atrocious and unwelcome in a creator space. Some of us may be developers but that means we still have to USE the computer. We are USERS first.
 
for now 11, although 11 not your fav, you gonna have better and longer support, so for long term it would be better

faye said:
Multiple people here saying Windows 11 is harder to navigate...

How?

I've used literally every major version of Windows since 3.1, extensively, from time of release. It's Windows again. They tweaked Explorer a bit, and no, I don't like all the changes, but maybe 10 minutes changing settings and a couple pieces of light third party software and you're good to go. That's nothing new, Windows has practically required such tweaks since XP, or at very least Vista.

Now, would I put 11 (or 10) on a machine with 8GB of RAM? No, but I also wouldn't own anything I planned to use regularly with less than 16GB, so...

I guess put Linux on it and hope for the best?
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the annoying for me is the right click content, M$ trying to pack them into one , but leaving properties in another part, so you need 2x click
 
DaemonForce said:
Some of us tend to use bars, pins and lists in very specific ways because it's FAST. Having to unlearn those actions because Explorer suddenly no longer cooperates with pinning an item in the taskbar or grabbing a list item from a menu or flick menus no longer appearing is atrocious and unwelcome in a creator space. Some of us may be developers but that means we still have to USE the computer. We are USERS first.
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So run a third party shell, launcher, whatever. You're power users, it's never going to work the way you want straight out of the box. Haven't looked it to it in years, but there at very least used to be a number of options.

I get change isn't always beneficial, but if you're developing software for modern Windows, you should be using modern Windows. I suspect at least part of why we're seeing more issues with stuff on 11 is this backlash movement among devs.

I also don't like many of the changes that have come with 11 - the push towards more detailed tracking, "AI" integration I don't need or want, search bringing us to the web instead of finding local files by default, ever increasingly hardware requirements without new important features to justify or warrant them, you name it, a lot of it is just bad... But I've been personally using 11 since beta, on a wide variety of hardware, so the "issues" do seem overblown from where I stand. That said, I'm also not a dev, just an enthusiast, and 90% of what I do on the computer is basic web stuff, audio, and games.

micropage7 said:
for now 11, although 11 not your fav, you gonna have better and longer support, so for long term it would be better


the annoying for me is the right click content, M$ trying to pack them into one , but leaving properties in another part, so you need 2x click
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Again, easy fix with a third party app. Same with the new start menu if you don't like it.
 
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dgianstefani said:
Windows 10, 10 LTSC if you can.

11 offers nothing unique that's worth using and has the same performance for games. Overall it's a more bloated OS with worse privacy, UI performance and efficiency. The job of 11 is to collect data off you, hence ads in start menu, increased tracking, "AI copilot" etc.

All the AI stuff baked into 11 that ties into local NPU etc is meaningless. If you're interested in AI, you're doing it on the GPU and using professional software. The consumer copilot etc is just more bloat designed to get you to continuously feed MS data.
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LTSC iso's are available online but licenses ain't really something you most of the time can come by legit.

He could also do a custom Tiny10 or 11 that's what I did last time I reinstalled Windows 11 on my T480 laptop and running a couple of computers at work with it so far no problems just make sure to make them yourself with the orignal MS files not custom files.

micropage7 said:
for now 11, although 11 not your fav, you gonna have better and longer support, so for long term it would be better


the annoying for me is the right click content, M$ trying to pack them into one , but leaving properties in another part, so you need 2x click
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Just things can be changed, even turned into Windows 7 if that's your thing.
 
Lewis777 said:
Now I need to install windows 10 or 11 on this device. I would be glad if you inform me I want to have a fluent windows experience.
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Windows 10 will reach end of support on October 14, 2025.

Knowing that, it's best to install windows 11.
 
P4-630 said:
Windows 10 will reach end of support on October 14, 2025.

Knowing that, it's best to install windows 11.
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Only for consumer editions, and only if you don't use the extended support option or something like LTSC/IoT LTSC. Which have been the real "Pro" editions for a while, since the "Pro" builds are still literal adware.

By that time Windows 11 LTSC will have been released, so that may be a tolerable build.
 
dgianstefani said:
Only for consumer editions, and only if you don't use the extended support option or something like LTSC/IoT LTSC. Which have been the real "Pro" editions for a while.
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Most windows 10 users are using the regular Home or Pro version...
 
P4-630 said:
Most windows 10 users are using the regular Home or Pro version...
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Yeah and most people don't go to the gym or eat healthily. Just because most people do things one way doesn't mean it's ideal. I'm not saying that it's a good thing MS has made their best version difficult to access, but it's still the reality, and this is an enthusiast site, so discussing enthusiast software is appropriate.

At least there's hope with 11 LTSC.

If not, well, the folks at github will release a bunch of tools to make the consumer editions closer to the enterprise ones in terms of debloat/group policy stuff and reg tweaks. As usual fixing the borderline joke MS puts out by default.

Eg a fresh install of Windows 10 pro is something like 25 GB. Mine is around 10 GB with no compromises on work or play. That's how bad it is these days.

Not sure how big 11 is at this point but probably bigger than 10. I used it for a few months on the laptop before replacing it in disgust after the calculator asked me to sign in every time I opened it.
Shou Miko said:
He could also do a custom Tiny10 or 11 that's what I did last time I reinstalled Windows 11 on my T480 laptop and running a couple of computers at work with it so far no problems just make sure to make them yourself with the orignal MS files not custom files.
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Yeah this is also an option but a little involved. I do this anyway since even with IoT Enterprise there's still junk or obsolete useless features still bundled for legacy compatibility with ancient software.

github.com

GitHub - Chuyu-Team/Dism-Multi-language: Dism++ Multi-language Support & BUG Report

Dism++ Multi-language Support & BUG Report. Contribute to Chuyu-Team/Dism-Multi-language development by creating an account on GitHub.
github.com github.com

GitHub - stschulte/custom-windows-11-install: Create a custom unattended Win 11 Install with more privacy​

NTlite is pretty decent too.

https://ameliorated.io/ uses NTLite but makes the process easier.

https://fogproject.org/ Also good, but more involved.
 
P4-630 said:
It seems you know OP better than most other people here...
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He's currently using freedos which implies a certain level of technical ability.

The FreeDOS Project

www.freedos.org www.freedos.org

"Focused on tweakers, overclockers, gamers and enthusiasts."

I'm not assuming when I say "enthusiast site".

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You can also get reasonably far using tools like Shutup10, which works well for 11 too (since it's basically 10 with some bloat on top).
 
Windows 11, IMX, seems to have better-in-consistency FPS with 3D rendering. including games. At least that's the case with Vermeer. (late AM4 chips)

I noticed that 10 is more likely to have higher "maximum-e-peen-FPS" than 11, but the FPS fluctuates more in benchmarks, including games. The minimum FPS is more likely to plunge in 10.

Thus, often higher minimum or higher average FPS in 11, for game benchmarks.
 
RJARRRPCGP said:
Windows 11, IMX, seems to have better-in-consistency FPS with 3D rendering. including games. At least that's the case with Vermeer. (late AM4 chips)

I noticed that 10 is more likely to have higher "maximum-e-peen-FPS" than 11, but the FPS fluctuates more in benchmarks.
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Interesting data.

The 1:1 roundup reviews sites have done on this topic 10 vs 11 show pretty similar performance if not identical.

In my own experience I have no issues with FPS consistency on my own rig which runs 10. I run NVCP driver frame limited to 3 below my max refresh rate for input latency, so 237, which might help with that.

Win 11 also has a few settings enabled by default over 10, but these can be switched on/off on both OS.

AFAIK most of the significant performance affecting settings are related to security, virtualization, or hardware accelerated GPU scheduling.
 
dgianstefani said:
Interesting data.

The 1:1 roundup reviews sites have done on this topic 10 vs 11 show pretty similar performance if not identical.
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I don't know if that's enough to have games noticeably bad with 10, even in e-sports multiplayer.
But, 11 sure felt like it has excellent frame pacing on my rigs. The old Direct X 9-based Halo Custom Edition runs very well! (1.0.10, the 2014 patch)
 
faye said:
The fact that I can't ignore your posts is the reason I'm leaving these forums, so good job, I guess.
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Tried using some shell but windows update bricked the windows, and i like my context menu to have copy and paste not just some phone icons.
11 just isnt good.
 
This thread hurt to read.

In 11 the old context menu is a reg edit away. Games run better thanks to properly implemented FSO and GPU scheduling. Just about everything else is the same but improved. You can still cut off home phoning. And the LTSC just dropped, 26100.2 is certified for OEMs and is already getting regular updates. Even my unsupported Skylake runs better on 11 ProW than 10 LTSC. The amount of misinformation, assumption and rage has turned me off of trying to use these forums meaningfully and this account will go dormant until necessary. Thanks.
 
RJARRRPCGP said:
I don't know if that's enough to have games noticeably bad with 10, even in e-sports multiplayer.
But, 11 sure felt like it has excellent frame pacing on my rigs. The old Direct X 9-based Halo Custom Edition runs very well! (1.0.10, the 2014 patch)
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Yeah, if there is a difference in gaming performance it isn't noticable IMO.

The issue I have with 11 isn't gaming performance, but rather general performance, and efficiency of the UI, as others have mentioned (reinventing the wheel). It's a lot heavier on system resources and accesses the internet a lot more. Then there's the privacy/security issues of bigger OS with more features/bloat etc.

Not moving from 10 till I have to.
 
It makes no sense to put W10 on a new computer. W10 is going away. Nothing can stop that. W11 is here to stay. It makes no sense to go through the hassle of installing, learning, and getting used to W10, then soon down the road, have to do it all over again with W11.

I have heard the same old arguments about how the new Windows version sucks with EVERY SINGLE NEW VERSION since Windows 1.0 came out to replace DOS. Same with every new version of this browser, that browser, this word processor, that word processor, this security program, that security program. It never changes. People like what they are used to, and hate what they are not familiar with.

But then something magical happens. They get used to the new version and suddenly, the old version looks and feels awkward.

Do not forget that Windows is just the operating system. We use the OS to launch our favorite programs. We do not sit around, hours at a time, staring at the OS. We launch our game, our browser, our word processor and that is what we then see.
 
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