Zen5 only 16 core.

[FoulOnWhite]

Seems zen 5 might be only 16 core. It's all you need for gaming though so I guess it's good enough. Intel arrow lake is definitely going to be more than that. So is it going to be AMD for gaming and Intel for Gaming/productivity I wonder.
I'm still going to wait for reviews on both before I decide where to go next.
https://www.pcgamer.com/hardware/pr...on-we-couldnt-do-more-than-16-cores-says-amd/

 

[FreedomEclipse]

It's all you need for gaming

what game(s) makes use of 16 cores?

 

[gurusmi]

AMD introduced the new Zen5 with 6/8/12 and 16 core.

AMD Zen 5 Storms into Gaming Desktops with Ryzen 9000 "Granite Ridge" Processors

AMD today announced its much awaited Ryzen 9000 series desktop processors. Built in the Socket AM5 package, and drop-in compatible with all current AM5 motherboards with a BIOS update, the processors are based on the new "Zen 5" CPU microarchitecture. The operational part of the processor, the...

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[Carillon]

I think it will be zen5x3d for gaming and zen4 in threadripper 7000 for gaming/productivity

 

[FoulOnWhite]

what game(s) makes use of 16 cores?

You know what i mean

AMD introduced the new Zen5 with 6/8/12 and 16 core.

AMD Zen 5 Storms into Gaming Desktops with Ryzen 9000 "Granite Ridge" Processors

AMD today announced its much awaited Ryzen 9000 series desktop processors. Built in the Socket AM5 package, and drop-in compatible with all current AM5 motherboards with a BIOS update, the processors are based on the new "Zen 5" CPU microarchitecture. The operational part of the processor, the...

www.techpowerup.com

Must have missed it, with the recent headlines getting a lot of posts re computex.

 

[dirtyferret]

when people talk about just cores or just vram for gaming, what they are saying is "I have no clue to what I'm talking about". Its the overall performance of the part not just a single aspect of it

In short, core count (within reason) doesn't matter for gaming; what really matters is overall CPU performance. For example, if a quad-core processor existed that could deliver the same multi-core performance as the Ryzen 9 7950X, there's a good chance it would actually be the faster gaming CPU, as the individual cores would be significantly faster. With games mostly still dependent on a primary thread, this results in CPUs with strong single-core performance generally delivering the best gaming performance. This is also why the 7800X3D is a much faster gaming CPU than the 7950X.

Are 6 Core CPUs Enough for PC Gaming?

There are plenty of fast 6-core gaming CPUs that outperform relatively new 8, 10, 12, and even 16-core chips. In this article we'll show you some interesting...

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[ir_cow]

You only need 2-4 cores for so many games.

 

[Panther_Seraphin]

16 cores 32 threads.................Cant think of many games that even touch 50% of those resources with massive differences in performance.

Zen6 is the step up in cores per CCD and with the non change of IO Die there isnt any scope for adding CCDs to the Ryzen Lineup currently.

 

[FoulOnWhite]

You only need 2-4 cores for so many games.

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So AMD have hit the nail on the head for the majority of PC users if Zen 5 is mostly 8 core/16HT. Not much point buying more unless you need them for other stuff.

I guess Intel might be right dropping HT too, reviews will tell that i guess.

HT cores are not cores, a 16/32 CPU is a 16 core CPU. Why do people count HT cores as if they are actual cores when they are not. So my initial post is right.

 

[authorized]

HT cores are not cores, a 16/32 CPU is a 16 core CPU. Why do people count HT cores as if they are actual cores when they are not. So my initial post is right.

What people?
I never see HT being counted as cores. If anything, Intel's core counting can be more misleading... because while yes, e-cores are indeed physical cores, for gaming they don't make much difference and sometimes even lower performance, at least for now. You see them labeled as 16-cores or 24-cores, but those cores are not equal.

 

[ir_cow]

Only exception would be something like UNREAL 5.4 engine which uses extra cores to stream shader cache.

 

[Gmr_Chick]

The title of this thread gave me a good laugh. OP pretty much clueless

 

[R-T-B]

what game(s) makes use of 16 cores?

beamng.drive maybe. Can't think of anything else. But it's multithreaded physics sim probably can.

 

[P4-630]

beamng.drive maybe. Can't think of anything else. But it's multithreaded physics sim probably can.

Also GTA V and I think many more games, I just haven't checked that with all the games I own..

 

[oxrufiioxo]

Only exception would be something like UNREAL 5.4 engine which uses extra cores to stream shader cache.

A couple other games scale with cores but not by much and not enough to justify the cost difference also the 7900X3D is generally slower than the 7800X3D and I doubt it'll be any different with 9000 series.

 

[JohH]

I have to agree with AMD here... I really don't see the point of more than 16 cores for gaming PCs.
But there's also no reason to buy Zen 5 until we see what the X3D version does.
I can't imagine it selling well as long as the 7800X3D doesn't have a successor.

 

[dgianstefani]

You only need 2-4 cores for so many games.

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1 CCD limit for gaming.

Other CCD useful for pinning every other process onto though.

What would be more impactful is more than eight cores on a single CCD, faster IF/newer IO die (2000 MHz IF is no faster on Zen 4 AM5 than Zen 3 AM4, hence 1.5/1 not 1/1 ratio, or less latency penalty from cross CCD workloads. Doesn't matter if you have 64 cores from eight CCDs, still won't have better gaming performance than six or eight on a single CCD.

 

[oxrufiioxo]

1 CCD limit for gaming.

Other CCD useful for pinning every other process onto though.

What would be more impactful is more than eight cores on a single CCD, faster IF/newer IO die (2000 MHz IF is no faster on Zen 4 AM5 than Zen 3 AM4, hence 1.5/1 not 1/1 ratio, or less latency penalty from cross CCD workloads. Doesn't matter if you have 64 cores from eight CCDs, still won't have better gaming performance than six or eight on a single CCD.

I wouldn't be surprised if Zen 6 gets 12-16 per CCD but I wouldn't put it past AMD to go to a hybrid arch with ZenC cores or whatever they calling them these days....

 

[freeagent]

I hope X3D gets buried

 

[FoulOnWhite]

The title of this thread gave me a good laugh. OP pretty much clueless

My title was based on the link i posted or are you clueless and did not get that, maybe did not bother to actually look at the link. Maybe i could have been a bit more creative with the title. No need to be offensive though is there? enjoy being ignored.

What people?
I never see HT being counted as cores. If anything, Intel's core counting can be more misleading... because while yes, e-cores are indeed physical cores, for gaming they don't make much difference and sometimes even lower performance, at least for now. You see them labeled as 16-cores or 24-cores, but those cores are not equal.

people always treat them as if they are, seems to me most people do.

 

[FreedomEclipse]

Also GTA V

Not heard of GTA V scaling past 6 cores. Although im running off what info i can find on the internet. So if it does - I havent read that it does anywhere.

 

[Vya Domus]

I hope X3D gets buried

Why lol.

 

[P4-630]

Not heard of GTA V scaling past 6 cores. Although im running off what info i can find on the internet. So if it does - I havent read that it does anywhere.

Right you dont know because you only have 6 cores..

 

[dirtyferret]

Not heard of GTA V scaling past 6 cores. Although im running off what info i can find on the internet. So if it does - I havent read that it does anywhere.

how would anyone know if it's yet to be released on PC?

Right you dont know because you only have 6 cores..

maybe it scales past six maybe a 4c/8t runs it just fine. It need to be properly tested but I highly doubt its core dependent as opposed to performance dependent

 

[R-T-B]

I hope X3D gets buried

Hot take. Why?