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Buying new PC, advices and opinions

Spending 900 euros on a last gen platform is a bad idea.
 
Hyderz said:
It’s not worth the asking price… ryzen 5 5500 only has 16mb L3 cache step it up to 5600 get 32mb L3 cache which is much better for gaming

how much is your budget? 900 euros?

same site if you must buy prebuilt

I think you could possibly build a newer better system if you build it yourself but might have to spend slightly a bit more around 1100 euro
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My budget is max 1100 euros. I could go with ryzen 7 and 4070 super. Or i could spend 900 on that first build and lower my expectations.
 
kloso112 said:
My budget is max 1100 euros. I could go with ryzen 7 and 4070 super. Or i could spend 900 on that first build and lower my expectations.
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https://geizhals.eu/ <--- check this site for lower prices on PC components.

Example:
https://geizhals.eu/intel-core-i5-12400f-cm8071504555318-cm8071504650609-a2660245.html
Intel Core i5-12400F €97,39

PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: *Intel Core i5-12400F 2.5 GHz 6-Core Processor (€108.25 @ Amazon Deutschland)
CPU Cooler: *ENDORFY Spartan 5 MAX ARGB CPU Cooler (€24.99 @ Amazon Deutschland)
Motherboard: *MSI PRO B760-P WIFI DDR4 ATX LGA1700 Motherboard (€128.60 @ Amazon Deutschland)
Memory: *G.Skill Aegis 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3200 CL16 Memory (€57.85 @ notebooksbilliger.de)
Storage: *Western Digital Black SN770 1 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive (€71.90 @ Amazon Deutschland)
Video Card: *Gigabyte GAMING OC Radeon RX 7700 XT 12 GB Video Card (€431.00 @ Galaxus)
Case: *Deepcool CC560 V2 ATX Mid Tower Case (€52.90 @ Alza)
Power Supply: *MSI MPG A750GF 750 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply (€98.70 @ Amazon Deutschland)
Operating System: *Microsoft Windows 11 Home Retail - Download 64-bit (€89.25 @ Computersalg)
Total: €1063.44
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
*Lowest price parts chosen from parametric criteria
Generated by PCPartPicker 2024-06-25 21:46 CEST+0200

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kloso112 said:
My budget is max 1100 euros. I could go with ryzen 7 and 4070 super. Or i could spend 900 on that first build and lower my expectations.
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The first question that needs to be answered by you is, are you willing to try to build a PC yourself? Most people aren't so it's nothing to feel bad about. Your thread could turn into a build thread if you don't make that clear and then it wouldn't be of help to you if you are certain you want a pre-built.
 
kloso112 said:
My budget is max 1100 euros. I could go with ryzen 7 and 4070 super. Or i could spend 900 on that first build and lower my expectations.
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You're not lowering your expectations, you're wasting your money.

The difference in "savings" between a 900 build and a 1100 build is nowhere near the difference in performance or quality of components.
The prebuilts you're looking at come with crappy outdated power supplies, parts with an architecture from 2020 (or older), small capacity and slow SSDs, not much RAM (also slow), not to mention likely laughable cooling. There's simply nothing about them worth keeping over the long term, which is half the point of having a PC. If you want something prebuilt that's essentially throwaway after 3-5 years, buy a laptop, you get the screen, monitor and keyboard alongside it.

PCPartPicker Part List: https://de.pcpartpicker.com/list/3KcNMV

CPU: Intel Core i5-13600KF 3.5 GHz 14-Core Processor (€239.00 @ Amazon Deutschland)
CPU Cooler: Thermalright Peerless Assassin 120 SE ARGB 66.17 CFM CPU Cooler (€36.49 @ Amazon Deutschland)
Motherboard: Asus TUF GAMING B760M-E D4 Micro ATX LGA1700 Motherboard (€131.85 @ Amazon Deutschland)
Memory: G.Skill Aegis 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3200 CL16 Memory (€57.85 @ notebooksbilliger.de)
Storage: Western Digital Black SN770 2 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive (€117.90 @ Amazon Deutschland)
Video Card: KFA2 (1-Click OC) GeForce RTX 4060 Ti 8 GB Video Card (€356.99 @ notebooksbilliger.de)
Case: ENDORFY Ventum 200 Air ATX Mid Tower Case (€59.90 @ Alza)
Power Supply: be quiet! Pure Power 12 M 750 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply (€105.90 @ Computeruniverse)
Total: €1105.88
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2024-06-25 21:40 CEST+0200

Raptor Lake 14 core
32 GB RAM
Good 2 TB NVME
Good case and PSU (ATX 3.0)

If you were to spend more you could get a 4070S or a DDR5 platform, but that's up to you.

That case comes with 4x 120 mm fans too, so no additional costs.
 
Avoid anything "bleeding edge" new.
That is, parts made within the past 1-2 years, anything that hasn't settled bugs.
The R5 5500 is a weird part, the 4060Ti is a weird spot and 16GB mystery memory is probably going to be a poorly matched single rank single channel DIMM.
Avoid anything that has some case of too big, too slow.
If you value physical space, avoid anything that locks you into full size ATX boards.

Looking at this loadout and price, that junk is junk. Hard pass.
Half price or better selection. Go.
 
kloso112 said:
I could go with ryzen 7 and 4070 super.
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Go ahead.

I wouldn't go lower than the 4070 for the GPU especially at QHD resolution.
 
I'd opt for a 5700X3D over a 5500 or 5600 if it's within your budget, if not, definitely step up the base pick to a 5600

Since you're going to a retired platform (and unless you're going AM5 they're all retired platform AMD or Intel) this will give you solid bang for buck.
 
Sad thing is that that kind of money is not enough for all new games at max settings. Below is probably as much bang for the buck you can get. @dgianstefani will tell you it's shit, because a dead platform, but the only other option is to scale back the GPU (which you don't want to do for pure gaming) or increase the budget, which you probably can't. What you can do is get something like below and keep an eye open for a deal on a 5800x3d.

Another option is of course to buy some parts used, say find a decent motherboard+CPU bundle. AM4 boards and say Ryzen 3xxx CPU's have come down in price lately.



PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 5600 3.5 GHz 6-Core Processor (€105.86 @ Amazon Deutschland)
Motherboard: Asus PRIME B450M-K II Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard (€52.59 @ Amazon Deutschland)
Memory: PNY XLR8 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3600 CL18 Memory (€63.89 @ Amazon Deutschland)
Storage: Western Digital Black SN770 2 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive (€117.90 @ Amazon Deutschland)
Video Card: Gigabyte WINDFORCE OC GeForce RTX 4070 SUPER 12 GB Video Card (€628.95 @ Galaxus)
Case: Zalman T6 ATX Mid Tower Case (€32.90 @ Alza)
Power Supply: be quiet! Pure Power 12 M 750 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply (€105.90 @ Computeruniverse)
Total: €1107.99
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2024-06-26 07:18 CEST+0200
 
Does a prebuilt include Windows ... why yes they do. Will the OP need Windows ... why yes he will. Remember that when you people are posting builds and leaving out Windows. Those builds of yours won't look so pretty when you tack on that cost.
 
Why_Me said:
Does a prebuilt include Windows ... why yes they do. Will the OP need Windows ... why yes he will. Remember that when you people are posting builds and leaving out Windows. Those builds of yours won't look so pretty when you tack on that cost.
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Gray keys are 20 dollars for windows, not really that much and it's easy to install
 
Why_Me said:
Does a prebuilt include Windows ... why yes they do. Will the OP need Windows ... why yes he will. Remember that when you people are posting builds and leaving out Windows. Those builds of yours won't look so pretty when you tack on that cost.
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You can find them easily for 5-8 bucks even retail copies.... You can also install windows without a license and add a key later easily... So na dog the op shouldn't factor that in unless after spending over 1k the cost of a venti caramel macchiato at Starbucks is the deal breaker lol.
 
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kloso112 said:
Even tho i heard that this processor will bottleneck this graphic card.
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If you were talking about 1080p? Then yeah, a 5500 would be ok. That CPU will hold you back in many titles at 1440p. You should consider an 8core CPU the starting point. Also, 16GB of system RAM is just not enough these days. Go for 32GB as a starting point. The 4060ti is a good choice, a 4070 would be much better and is only about 80euro(ish) more. The 1TB SSD is also a good choice, but consider a 2TB. It'll last you longer.
 
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Wouldn't it be better to find a store that will sell you the parts and assemble the PC for a fee?
 
I don't know any store (atleast in my country), where they assamble pc parts to PC for free. All of them charges any fee for their work.
 
@kloso112
depends on what you want to do in the "future".
any upgrade plans in the next few years, i would go with 7800X3D, as the next 9 series wont improve on gaming perf, 5800X3D if you want to save some money.
4060ti is ok, but at 1440p, a 4070S/ti would make more sense, and you could use it a little longer.

build

@Why_Me
lol,wasting almost 100 on the OS? right..
even if not on sites like tpu regularly, at least once you would have seen the ads here for digital keys, with tpu discount taking cost below 20..
 
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PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 7600X 4.7 GHz 6-Core Processor ($197.99 @ Amazon)
CPU Cooler: ID-COOLING SE-224-XTS 70 CFM CPU Cooler ($26.99 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: ASRock A620M Pro RS WiFi Micro ATX AM5 Motherboard ($129.99 @ Amazon)
Memory: Patriot Viper Venom 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR5-7400 CL36 Memory ($114.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Silicon Power P34A60 512 GB M.2-2280 PCIe 3.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive ($36.99 @ Newegg Sellers)
Storage: Seagate ST6000NM0024 6 TB 3.5" 7200 RPM Internal Hard Drive ($90.00 @ Amazon)
Video Card: Gigabyte GAMING OC Radeon RX 7600 XT 16 GB Video Card ($288.95 @ Amazon)
Case: Fractal Design Focus G Mini MicroATX Mini Tower Case ($59.99 @ B&H)
Power Supply: MSI MAG A750BN PCIE5 750 W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply ($69.98 @ Amazon)
Total: $1015.87
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2024-06-26 08:27 EDT-0400

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@Silencio
hdd adds to the cost, then rather get a 1tb ssd, especially considering brand.
gpu is underpowered for 16gb, and not really good enough for 1440p.
pss (MAG) is entry level, most important part of the rig, a better tier 650w (maybe even gold), makes more sense.
 
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Is it a gaming PC? For better gaming performance, prioritize investing more in the GPU side. Something like the 4070, RX 7700, or 7800 XT.
A 5600 is sufficient for this setup; however, consider upgrading to a 5700X3D.
 
Silencio said:
PCPartPicker Part List

CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 7600X 4.7 GHz 6-Core Processor ($197.99 @ Amazon)
CPU Cooler: ID-COOLING SE-224-XTS 70 CFM CPU Cooler ($26.99 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: ASRock A620M Pro RS WiFi Micro ATX AM5 Motherboard ($129.99 @ Amazon)
Memory: Patriot Viper Venom 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR5-7400 CL36 Memory ($114.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Silicon Power P34A60 512 GB M.2-2280 PCIe 3.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive ($36.99 @ Newegg Sellers)
Storage: Seagate ST6000NM0024 6 TB 3.5" 7200 RPM Internal Hard Drive ($90.00 @ Amazon)
Video Card: Gigabyte GAMING OC Radeon RX 7600 XT 16 GB Video Card ($288.95 @ Amazon)
Case: Fractal Design Focus G Mini MicroATX Mini Tower Case ($59.99 @ B&H)
Power Supply: MSI MAG A750BN PCIE5 750 W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply ($69.98 @ Amazon)
Total: $1015.87
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2024-06-26 08:27 EDT-0400

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Waldorf said:
@Silencio
hdd adds to the cost, than rather get a 1tb ssd, especially considering brand.
gpu is underpowered for 16gb, and not really good enough for 1440p.
pss (MAG) is entry level, most important part of the rig, a better tier 650w (maybe even gold), makes more sense.
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Also, why would you buy pricey 7400 MT DDR5 RAM on a platform that can't do more than 6200 MT?

Extreme platform costs for a outdated within the month six core CPU with cheap storage, an anaemic GPU with VRAM it will never be able to take full advantage of, a bargain basement motherboard, and a bad PSU.

Additionally, OP is in Europe so USD prices aren't relevant as pricing can be very different.
 
dgianstefani said:
You're not lowering your expectations, you're wasting your money.

The difference in "savings" between a 900 build and a 1100 build is nowhere near the difference in performance or quality of components.
The prebuilts you're looking at come with crappy outdated power supplies, parts with an architecture from 2020 (or older), small capacity and slow SSDs, not much RAM (also slow), not to mention likely laughable cooling. There's simply nothing about them worth keeping over the long term, which is half the point of having a PC.
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^^THIS^^ (emphasis mine) plus there will probably be at least a few proprietary/non-standard connectors, wiring harnesses and other annoying nuisance stuff in practically all prebuilts...

You can easily build a much better, faster & more capable system all around for this money, and you get to pick the parts that will meet your expectations, AND they will be upgradeable going forward should your needs increase or change...
 
@dgianstefani
my part list was for germany, where op is located.
what's "outdated" or not, is up to buyer. as long as we dont shell out the funds, to get am5 instead.

as long as the perf is on same level and user wont swap stuff like the cpu, it wouldnt really matter if am4 or 5.

i rather have quality am4 parts, possibly still save a few bucks over new am5 and deal with expo, as long as you dont plan on swapping cpu later.
ignoring that there would still be stuff like 5950.

@kloso112
AM5
 
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Why_Me said:
Does a prebuilt include Windows ... why yes they do. Will the OP need Windows ... why yes he will. Remember that when you people are posting builds and leaving out Windows. Those builds of yours won't look so pretty when you tack on that cost.
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US $3 or equivalent if you really value the fact you won't have a watermark that last month or so of saving up for a license. :p
 
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